Gaming PC 2500 limit

gamerdapc

Looking for someone knowledgeable to draw up a decent computer for me.
This pc will be used for gaming on highest settings. 2500 euros max.
Will need the following:

Operating system (which ever you recommend)
Monitor
Mouse and Keyboard
Prebuilt (if possible, not great with computers despite my hobby :P )

Really want this thing to be good for at least 4 years and upgradable after that, thanks for helping me out. If you need anymore info just ask.

BloodBath

Fill this in.


1. What is your budget? [€xxx]

2. What will be the main purpose of the computer? [Gaming/Video editing/3D Modelling/HTPC/Internet] (If gaming include which games)

3. Do you need a copy of Windows? [Yes/No]

4. Can you use any parts from an old computer? [Hard drive/DVD Drive/Case/PSU/etc.] (If possible state brand and model of the parts to ensure compatibility)

5. Do you need a monitor? [Yes/No]

5a. If yes, what size do you need. [19'/20'/22'/24'/etc.]

5b. If no, what resolution is your current monitor and do you plan to upgrade in the near future? [1920x1080/1440x900/etc.] [Yes/No]

6. Do you need any of these peripherals? [Keyboard/Mouse/Wireless Card/Card Reader/Speakers/etc.]

7. Are you willing to try overclocking? [Yes/No]

8. How can you pay? [Bank Transfer/Credit Card/Laser]

9. When are you purchasing? [In x days]

10. If you need help building it, where are you based? [South Dublin City/Cork City/Kerry/etc.]

gamerdapc

1. What is your budget? 2500 Euros

2. What will be the main purpose of the computer? High Spec Gaming

3. Do you need a copy of Windows? Yes

4. Can you use any parts from an old computer? No

5. Do you need a monitor? Yes

5a. If yes, what size do you need. 24 would be nice, open to value for buck

6. Do you need any of these peripherals? Don't need speakers, just board and mouse

7. Are you willing to try overclocking? Yes

8. How can you pay? Bank or credit card

9. When are you purchasing? In the next 2 weeks

10. If you need help building it, where are you based? Clare


Thanks.

bcorden

Hi, the business I work in supplies business PC's but when I last wanted a PC I used a company in Dublin who specialise in customised computers. They have a drop down menu so you can pick the parts you want, and I found they had a better choice of parts than some of the leading brands. Alienware looks really cool for example but I thought they where a bit pricey. Personally I'd go for -

Intel Processors i7
nvidia geforce video card with 2GB RAM or more
1TB Hard Disk Drive is loads - but 2TB would be better
Make sure you get a decent case - with plenty of fans
Windows 8 (It's been updated to Window's 8.1 soon). While some people hate it I find it's as fast as Windows 7

The actually makes and models of the above vary greatly in price - so depending on what you pick you can quickly go over your budget?

If you want details of the company let me know and I'll send them on.

gamerdapc

Hey bcorden, sure pass on the site you are talking about, I looked at alienwares site and they have a fairly limited selection, not to mention their prices seem a bit much for what you are getting.

PatMustard5

HardwareVersand is the best and cheapest site to purchase off.

gamerdapc

Anyone know if these guys are legit?
http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/desktop-pcs/gaming-pcs/?gclid=CPjU6K22srkCFRM72wodjQIAFA

PatMustard5

gamerdapc wrote: »

Anyone know if these guys are legit?
http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/desktop-pcs/gaming-pcs/?gclid=CPjU6K22srkCFRM72wodjQIAFA

There not the worst site I seen but still badly overpriced. Do you work for them?

EoinHef

Definitely dont buy anything till you get some one here to throw up a build for you, with your budget there is a lot of potential for a lot of waste. Also parts can be expensive on some sites, the best deals are usually on Amazon, HWVS (hardwareversand.de), Overclockers.co.uk and a few others. I reckon if you wanted to spend that type of money you should be playing at higher resolutions than 1080p. So in short if 1080p is what your aiming for with really good performance you wont have to spend anywhere near €2500. But higher resolutions do increase cost a lot. Just something to bear in mind

gamerdapc

PatMustard5 wrote: »

There not the worst site I seen but still badly overpriced. Do you work for them?

If I worked for them, I wouldn't be asked for someone to recommend this now would I ha ha

gamerdapc

EoinHef wrote: »

Definitely dont buy anything till you get some one here to throw up a build for you, with your budget there is a lot of potential for a lot of waste. Also parts can be expensive on some sites, the best deals are usually on Amazon, HWVS (hardwareversand.de), Overclockers.co.uk and a few others. I reckon if you wanted to spend that type of money you should be playing at higher resolutions than 1080p. So in short if 1080p is what your aiming for with really good performance you wont have to spend anywhere near €2500. But higher resolutions do increase cost a lot. Just something to bear in mind

If someone can make up a computer with superb specs a lot cheaper than 2500 then no prob, just want this one to last a good few years with games on max settings

Got a link to this from a friend, would this be overpriced?

http://www.chillblast.com/Chillblast-Fusion-Panther.html

bcorden

This is the company I used - http://www.custompc.ie/ if nothing else it's a good way to select the parts you want / need. The one problem I had with this company was the size of the case. It really was too small with not enough fans and I had CPU overheating problems when I first got the PC?

Just so you know I have the following and everything I've played runs fine. Most recent is ARMA 3 Beta.

Intel i7 930 processor 3.2Ghz
6GB RAM
1TB HD
GeForce GTX 580

PatMustard5

bcorden wrote: »

This is the company I used - http://www.custompc.ie/ if nothing else it's a good way to select the parts you want / need. The one problem I had with this company was the size of the case. It really was too small with not enough fans and I had CPU overheating problems when I first got the PC?

Just so you know I have the following and everything I've played runs fine. Most recent is ARMA 3 Beta.

Intel i7 930 processor 3.2Ghz
6GB RAM
1TB HD
GeForce GTX 580

Bloodbath should be on soon to do up a build, he the man! but for the love of god stay away from custom PC, there prices are shocking!

EoinHef

gamerdapc wrote: »

If someone can make up a computer with superb specs a lot cheaper than 2500 then no prob, just want this one to last a good few years with games on max settings

Got a link to this from a friend, would this be overpriced?
What
http://www.chillblast.com/Chillblast-Fusion-Panther.html

Its a high spec sytem with a good overclock on the cpu but I would be surprised if someone here couldn get you similar performance for less.
Also the monitor is only 1080p, that pc would be wasted on that monitor

frozenfrozen

high spec gaming and a single 24 inch screen don't go hand in hand. 2500 euro is far too much to spend on just single display gaming. Drop your budget to 1200 and you'll still have overkill. It would be worth having a high end build that lasts 3 years from 1200 quid then use the remaining budget to buy a nice desk and peripherals, then huge updates in the coming years when you need it. I'm out of the loop with components at the moment but someone else from around here will likely come around soon and spec one out for you. Definitely don't go prebuilt with any of the aforementioned websites they're all total rip-offs.

gamerdapc

PatMustard5 wrote: »

Bloodbath should be on soon to do up a build, he the man! but for the love of god stay away from custom PC, there prices are shocking!

Ha ha Alright man, I will wait for bloodbath to have a go at it, cheers.

EoinHef, thanks, Ill wait and see what can be drawn up for me.

bcorden

It's worth remembering that those companies doing the pre-build have to put the time into building the computer and they have to stand over the warranty if anything goes wrong. However if somebody is happy to buy the parts and assemble the computer then this will save money.

I am surprised however at the number of people happy to recommend UK suppliers or even German suppliers? With the Irish economy being in a bit of a state and the number of unemployed at an all time high - are there no good Irish alternative for computer parts?

Also if you order a part from overseas is there not more hassle returning it (including the shipping costs) if something goes wrong?

blades.ofglory

bcorden wrote: »

It's worth remembering that those companies doing the pre-build have to put the time into building the computer and they have to stand over the warranty if anything goes wrong. However if somebody is happy to buy the parts and assemble the computer then this will save money.

I am surprised however at the number of people happy to recommend UK suppliers or even German suppliers? With the Irish economy being in a bit of a state and the number of unemployed at an all time high - are there no good Irish alternative for computer parts?

Also if you order a part from overseas is there not more hassle returning it (including the shipping costs) if something goes wrong?

When your buying high-end hardware along with water cooling there are no Irish sites that sells such items and even if there is a site that may have that particular type of hardware generally its far more expensive anyway.

As for returns, personally I have ordered hundreds of items from abroad and have never actually needed to return any item, plus when your dealing with a particular company all of the time you gain a good customer relationship and in return they will look after you, e.g. discounts.

NTMK

bcorden wrote: »

I am surprised however at the number of people happy to recommend UK suppliers or even German suppliers? With the Irish economy being in a bit of a state and the number of unemployed at an all time high - are there no good Irish alternative for computer parts?

Also if you order a part from overseas is there not more hassle returning it (including the shipping costs) if something goes wrong?

I will order from wherever gives me the best price/customer service. when iwas living in ireland i found that the customer service was far better from foreign retailers. RMA's were quicker and ive never been charged for one.

Im not going to shop with a retailer because their irish esp. when they're usually 10-15% more expensive over a build and have usually ****ty customer service

gamerdapc

Item|Price
Ozone SPARK Gaming Headset[/URL]|€
Intel Core i7-4770K Box, LGA1150[/URL]|€
Sharkoon Drakonia Gaming Laser Mouse[/URL]|€
Samsung SH-224DB schwarz[/URL]|€
Scythe Katana 4, für alle Sockel geeignet[/URL]|€
WD Red RD1000S 3TB SATA 6Gb/s 64MB[/URL]|€
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 770 WindForce 3X OC, 4GB GDDR5, 2x DVI, HDMI, DisplayPort[/URL]|€
be quiet! Pure Power L8 CM 630 Watt[/URL]|€
BenQ GL2450HT[/URL]|€
MSI Z87-G45 Gaming, ATX, Sockel 1150[/URL]|€
OEM Microsoft Windows 8 64-bit inkl. Vorinstallation[/URL]|€
Rechner - Zusammenbau[/URL]|€
Corsair Carbide Series 200R, ATX, ohne Netzteil[/URL]|€
16GB-Kit Corsair Vengeance Low Profile schwarz PC3-12800U CL10-10-10-27[/URL]|€
Sharkoon Skiller Gaming Keyboard[/URL]|€
Shipping|€18.99
Total|€1610.59



Hope I did this script thing right
What do ye think of this setup?

Edit
It didn't post the individual prices

Roy Rogers

You can fix the individual prices thing by going into your basket in hardwareversand and clicking 'split' (or something like it).

That breaks the PC Configurator build (as one item) into the individual parts.

Portlawslim

Wait for it...Bloodbath will be here shortly.
Don't pull the trigger on anything yet.
You should really try and have a go at building your own, you learn a hell of alot and the satisfaction at the end of it makes it all worth while.
I've built 2 pc's so far, first one for my son
http://goo.gl/S6v5wF
And the second one a few months back for myself http://goo.gl/nbMmJb just scroll down to the pics.
The only experience I had was changing ram a few times, installing a new psu and graphics cards and I managed it. I made a few mistakes but the lads on here soon put me right and were extremely helpful(group hug everyone:p)

Build it....:)

shootermacg

Id recommend a 120hz monitor, what's the point of a flash rig. If you aren't getting the fps to your eyeballs?

I recently bought http://www.amazon.co.uk/BenQ-XL2411T-Widescreen-1920x1080-3D-Ready/dp/B00A2KZ2XS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1378384323&sr=8-1&keywords=benq+xl2411t

Great monitor and you really notice the smoothness. I use my old 24inch as a second monitor.

I also find the macho 02 heat sync is great. No noise whatsoever comes out of my PC and I can even overclock it with good temperature readings, although if you don't like installing these things yourself, I'd try another brand.

Gumbi

Justify the i7 over the i5. i5 is the same as i7 for gaming essentially. no need for a 4GB 770. 770s are pushing it price/performance as it is. 2GB is more than enough for 1080p (it's actually enough for 1440p in many cases too). Gigabyte Z87x-D3H best mid range Haswell board IMO. Check this out http://imageshack.us/a/img153/5641/s70p.jpg

You got an overclockable CPU and no cooler? Grab an HR02 Macho at least.

BloodBath

Hey. I'm not the only one that can do builds you know With his budget the thing practically builds itself anyway. 1440p is the only way to be going with that kind of budget although as already mentioned you could build a great 1080p pc for around €1200 max.

I'll throw up an overkill 1440p build anyway. There's still room to cut back the price on this a bit. You could drop down to the 4670k processor and lose virtually no performance in 99% of games. Not much takes advantage of hyper threading at the moment. You could go with a 120gb ssd and a single 1tb hdd. The 120gb ssdd would be plenty big for your os and programs and the 1tb hdd should be enough for your gaming needs for a good while.

What about a wireless card or homeplugs? Or will you have access to the router?

Item|Price
Intel Core i7-4770K Box, LGA1150|€301.17
be quiet!Dark Rock Pro 2|€72.79
MSI Z87-G45 Gaming, ATX, Sockel 1150|€135.32
8GB-Kit G.Skill Sniper PC3-14900U CL9-10-9-28|€59.84
Samsung SSD 840 EVO Basic 250GB SATA 6Gb/s|€151.36
2 x WD Caviar Blue 1TB 6Gb's|€113.38
Nanoxia Deep Silence One Dark Anthracite, ATX, ohne Netzteil|€94.13
2 x Nanoxia Deep Silence 140 - 1100|€16.98
Corsair Professional Series HX750 80PLUS Gold 750W|€118.22
Asus DRW-24F1ST Bulk Silent|€19.90
LogiLink USB 2.0 all-in-one Card Reader, für 3,5" Einbauchschacht|€3.32
MS Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit SB-Version Englisch|€86.05
Sharkoon Fire Glider Gaming Mat|€6.99
Shipping|€18.99
Total|€1198.44

Graphics Cards x 2 €520

Mouse €31

Keyboard €72

The keyboard is just a general recommendation. I recommend you read more about mechanical keyboards and decide what is right for you. There are a lot of good mechanical keyboards. It depends what switches you want, how many keys, backlit or not ect. There's a guide on the switch types here.

1440p Monitor €242 + a possible extra €45 customs charge.

There's choices to be made with these monitors as well. There's a big selection of them and they come in matte or glossy finishes with different choices of connections ect. They aren't without their risks either. You can read more about them here.

Total €2108

If you want to save even more money you could go for something like this.

Gumbi

As always the best choices made by BB.

Might as well go i7 at this price point I suppose. The better multithreaded games get the more they'll use HT.

shootermacg

if you are serious about FPS gaming a must have is the 120hz monitor. Anyone who disputes this does not have a 120hz monitor.

When I made the jump from 60 to 120, I instantly became a better player that guys who, before-hand were marginally better than me.
I have also seen other players, whose game improved drastically after buying one.

Rob2D

shootermacg wrote: »

if you are serious about FPS gaming a must have is the 120hz monitor. Anyone who disputes this does not have a 120hz monitor.

When I made the jump from 60 to 120, I instantly became a better player that guys who, before-hand were marginally better than me.
I have also seen other players, whose game improved drastically after buying one.

Bloodbath did recommend an overclockable monitor.

NTMK

shootermacg wrote: »

if you are serious about FPS gaming a must have is the 120hz monitor. Anyone who disputes this does not have a 120hz monitor.

When I made the jump from 60 to 120, I instantly became a better player that guys who, before-hand were marginally better than me.
I have also seen other players, whose game improved drastically after buying one.

Depends on the Game tbh

for twitch (COD Quake, etc) and source shooters 120hz is a must imo if you play competitively

the slower shooters imo (BF3 (not that slow tbh), Arma) 120hz isnt that essental tbh as you dont need to react as quickly

120hz monitors are also ****ing expensive no? iirc the Benq 2420T is £250-300 which is imo too much for a TN panel even with 120hz


If you want to go hardcore you buy CRT as some of those ****ers will do 200Hz

Imo theres no point in dropping 2.5k on a rig without getting a better res monitor (1440, 1600) as they output far better colour and look a lot better than TN

shootermacg

CRT monitors dry out your eyes, at least they dry out mine ^ ^.

My monitor: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/121170802923?lpid=83&device=c&adtype=pla&crdt=0&ff3=1&ff11=ICEP3.0.0&ff12=67&ff13=80&ff14=83

I agree if you are into FPS buy it. If you want it to look prettier by all means go for the 16:10, its great value and great for RTS games and browsing / watching movies.

But thankfully with your budget, you could buy one of each.

One thing I would watch out for is the dead pixel warranty, looks like 3 is acceptable to the seller, also this monitor may suffer from back-light bleed.

NTMK

shootermacg wrote: »

CRT monitors dry out your eyes, at least they dry out mine ^ ^.

My monitor: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/121170802923?lpid=83&device=c&adtype=pla&crdt=0&ff3=1&ff11=ICEP3.0.0&ff12=67&ff13=80&ff14=83

I agree if you are into FPS buy it. If you want it to look prettier by all means go for the 16:10, its great value and great for RTS games and browsing / watching movies.

But thankfully with your budget, you could buy one of each.

One thing I would watch out for is the dead pixel warranty, looks like 3 is acceptable to the seller, also this monitor may suffer from back-light bleed.

i was fine on CRT until i got a 1080p screen then i was fine on 1080p until i moved to 1440p now my eyes get very sore on 1080p and CRT

3 is a standard DP policy afaik

BloodBath

From all of the people that have ordered them so far nobody has got a dead pixel. Even if you got 1 you are very unlikely to notice it. Are you really going to notice 1/3,686,400 of your screen being off color?

Back light bleed is a more likely noticeable problem and it's been ok for most but 1 has had bad BLB. These problems are fixable though. Like I said it's not without their risks.