Flemenstar To Tony Martin

hucklebuck · 20-09-2013 05:00PM

Seriously bizarre move and I feel for Casey, my take was owner wanted a 3 miler, Casey knew he wasnt one but was made run him none the less.

Henry would have been the smart move imo

Motivator · 20-09-2013 06:32PM

hucklebuck wrote: »

Seriously bizarre move and I feel for Casey, my take was owner wanted a 3 miler, Casey knew he wasnt one but was made run him none the less.

Henry would have been the smart move imo

Feel for Casey? Why? Do you think de bromhead would let an owner dictate the best route for the horse? Potts knows his stuff obviously & has his own ideas but he has always said de bromhead has the final say. Casey obviously hadn't the balls to stand up to the owner. No sympathy for that clown whatsoever. The horse is the only loser in all this.

eddiezero · 20-09-2013 06:45PM

Motivator wrote: »

Feel for Casey? Why? Do you think de bromhead would let an owner dictate the best route for the horse? Potts knows his stuff obviously & has his own ideas but he has always said de bromhead has the final say. Casey obviously hadn't the balls to stand up to the owner. No sympathy for that clown whatsoever. The horse is the only loser in all this.

De Bromhead has the final say? Like all the other trainers who trained for him in England?? Potts took his ball and ran off because he didn't like being told what to do by high profile trainers like Henderson & Hobbs.

Henry does what he's told because he would be minus a dozen horses if he didn't play appease the bully.

RichieLawlor · 21-09-2013 10:25AM

eddiezero wrote: »

De Bromhead has the final say? Like all the other trainers who trained for him in England?? Potts took his ball and ran off because he didn't like being told what to do by high profile trainers like Henderson & Hobbs.

Henry does what he's told because he would be minus a dozen horses if he didn't play appease the bully.

Ya this is right, anyone thinking De Bromhead calls the shots to Alan Potts isn't very smart

hucklebuck · 21-09-2013 02:04PM

Motivator wrote: »

Feel for Casey? Why? Do you think de bromhead would let an owner dictate the best route for the horse? Potts knows his stuff obviously & has his own ideas but he has always said de bromhead has the final say. Casey obviously hadn't the balls to stand up to the owner. No sympathy for that clown whatsoever. The horse is the only loser in all this.

Because he did nothing wrong, is that hard to understand?

Where did I say Henry would?

If you think you have a top class animal why not send him to a trainer who always has them spot on for the big day and has a serious nack of getting horses to jump well and Flemenstar would probably be his best horse as Sizing rising 12.

I just can't figure out this move at all at all.

Motivator wrote: »

No sympathy for that clown whatsoever

This is on a whole new level of stupid.

What makes Casey a clown:

1) The fact Flemenstar blew people away with two performances last season over his trip
2) The fact that when forced to send the horse over 3 miles twice he was beaten a total of 2 1/2 by 3 horses, Tidal Bay and Sir Des Champs who only had the best 3 miler around in front of them in their biggest races of the season and First Lieutenant who was beaten by the second best chaser around in the Ryanair.
3) The fact he won over €250,000 with the horse

He is a character which is something the game needs more of and is honest to boot and quite frankly anyone calling him a clown is a moron.

JuniorB · 09-12-2013 03:45PM

Flemenstar out for the season.

hucklebuck · 09-12-2013 03:52PM

I heard he was schooling and got injured jumping a fence, he banged his head off the barn roof.

Slattsy · 09-12-2013 04:00PM

hucklebuck wrote: »

I heard he was schooling and got injured jumping a fence, he banged his head off the barn roof.

Month ban!

hucklebuck · 09-12-2013 04:02PM

Slattsy wrote: »

Month ban!

Yellow card for back seat modding. Your a fierce man for the back seat Slattsy

Slattsy · 09-12-2013 04:03PM

hucklebuck wrote: »

Yellow card for back seat modding. Your a fierce man for the back seat Slattsy

The good aul days when ya werent allowed sleep over

Slattsy · 09-12-2013 04:04PM

hucklebuck wrote: »

Yellow card for back seat modding. Your a fierce man for the back seat Slattsy

Also, this is also back seat modding, and as its an accumulation its now a 3 month ban

hucklebuck · 09-12-2013 04:05PM

Slattsy wrote: »

The good aul days when ya werent allowed sleep over

Where the term "top bunk" was more sinister than in your favourite Babysitters Club books

Slattsy · 09-12-2013 04:06PM

hucklebuck wrote: »

Where the term "top bunk" was more sinister than in your favourite Babysitters Club books

Was that the one with the blonde twins?

hucklebuck · 09-12-2013 04:06PM

Slattsy wrote: »

Also, this is also back seat modding, and as its an accumulation its now a 3 month ban

Ditto

hucklebuck · 09-12-2013 04:08PM

Slattsy wrote: »

Was that the one with the blonde twins?

No that was the film of the same name which had the sinister "top bunk"

Slattsy · 09-12-2013 04:08PM

hucklebuck wrote: »

No that was the film of the same name which had the sinister "top bunk"

Cant say i seen that film!

hucklebuck · 09-12-2013 04:09PM

Slattsy wrote: »

Cant say i seen that film!

Check it out

CueCard7 · 09-12-2013 06:24PM

Horse cursed by moving it away.

Would be surprised if we see him win a race again

sirdes · 10-12-2013 02:55PM

CueCard7 wrote: »

Horse cursed by moving it away.

Would be surprised if we see him win a race again

He was cursed if stayed with Casey

RichieLawlor · 10-12-2013 03:37PM

sirdes wrote: »

He was cursed if stayed with Casey

Oh yeah of course. Peter Casey ruined Flemenstar :rolleyes:

sirdes · 10-12-2013 06:38PM

RichieLawlor wrote: »

Oh yeah of course. Peter Casey ruined Flemenstar :rolleyes:

maybe not but he brought the horse as far as he could. flemenstars form was on the slide since last year and caseys constant seeking media attention can't have helped

DevonLoch · 10-12-2013 07:52PM

The biggest deterioration in Flemenstar's form came with his jumping performance the last day.

hucklebuck · 10-12-2013 10:48PM

sirdes wrote: »

maybe not but he brought the horse as far as he could. flemenstars form was on the slide since last year and caseys constant seeking media attention can't have helped

Do you mean the two 3 mile runs Casey was forced to run him in or where he was beaten by the the 4th best (IIRC) chaser of all time and the second best chaser in training at the moment?

sting60 · 11-12-2013 11:27AM

hucklebuck wrote: »

Do you mean the two 3 mile runs Casey was forced to run him in or where he was beaten by the the 4th best (IIRC) chaser of all time and the second best chaser in training at the moment?

Casey wanted to run him over 3m and 3.2m against the wishes of his jockey.Dont know where you got "Casey was forced"from as that is total rubbish.

hucklebuck · 11-12-2013 11:47AM

sting60 wrote: »

Casey wanted to run him over 3m and 3.2m against the wishes of his jockey.Dont know where you got "Casey was forced"from as that is total rubbish.

Casey said numerous times he didnt think he would get 3 miles and he also said Andy thinks he will get 3 miles. Of course it was the owner forcing it.

sirdes · 11-12-2013 11:56AM

hucklebuck wrote: »

Do you mean the two 3 mile runs Casey was forced to run him in or where he was beaten by the the 4th best (IIRC) chaser of all time and the second best chaser in training at the moment?

His form at 3 miles is far better than at 2 miles. Beaten less than a length in the Lexus and 2 in the henessey by sdc is far better form than the 20 plus he was beaten by sprinter and cue card in aintree.

jimjamcos · 11-12-2013 12:22PM

sirdes wrote: »

His form at 3 miles is far better than at 2 miles. Beaten less than a length in the Lexus and 2 in the henessey by sdc is far better form than the 20 plus he was beaten by sprinter and cue card in aintree.

No way was he right at Aintree. Whether that was because of traveling, ground or sickness it doesn't really matter. He wasn't right .

sirdes · 11-12-2013 12:33PM

jimjamcos wrote: »

No way was he right at Aintree. Whether that was because of traveling, ground or sickness it doesn't really matter. He wasn't right .

Maybe he was not right in aintree and we may never get too know how good he was but would have loved too have seen him bowling along in front over 3 miles.

sting60 · 11-12-2013 12:34PM

hucklebuck wrote: »

Casey said numerous times he didnt think he would get 3 miles and he also said Andy thinks he will get 3 miles. Of course it was the owner forcing it.

Casey said to me "he will win a Gold Cup"ten minutes later Andy Lynch said to me "he is been messed around he is a 2 1/2 m horse who needs to be up with pace".I have seen myself what a circus it had become and the owner was nowhere to be seen.The owner wanted to keep the horse in the area so he was advised Tony Martin who is only 10 m from Casey approx.Lynch is a local lad here in North Dublin[very nice down to earth lad] and the only other trainer mentioned in connection with the horse was Jim Draper,that was quickly knocked in the head for obvious reasons.Imo the owner/jockey were in no way to blame for the horse to be taken from Casey.

hucklebuck · 11-12-2013 02:02PM

sirdes wrote: »

His form at 3 miles is far better than at 2 miles. Beaten less than a length in the Lexus and 2 in the henessey by sdc is far better form than the 20 plus he was beaten by sprinter and cue card in aintree.

My word, a horse being sick enough that the vet spent a week with him after the race is not an excuse? SS is also rated 188 btw

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