You have to be 18 to use a kettle

pj9999

I was in the kitchen of a sporting venue last night, and saw a sign stating that under 18s were not allowed to use kettles without the supervision of an adult.

The logic being I suppose that if a 17yo burns themselves the venue can be sued, because it wouldn't have been reasonable to assume that a 17yo could use a kettle without full knowledge of the dangers inherent.

How's a teenager supposed to look at a world which treats them like children?

Cody Pomeray

That sounds ridiculous alright.

I would venture it's the work of some Norris Cole type figure in your organization.

Individuals and clubs may sometimes over react to health and safety standards, based on an overly strict interpretation of their obligations, but that's nothing to do with the law per se.

I would hate to see us go down the same road as the UK in terms of Health and Safety regulations. Personal injuries, as a general rule, are handled fantastically well in this country, and health and safety regulations are accordingly sensible.

johnnyskeleton

pj9999 wrote: »

How's a teenager supposed to look at a world which treats them like children?

Well they are children.

I'm not sure that if a child did burn themselves with the kettle and there was no sign that any liability would attach to the club - it is not clear where their negligence would arise from. Perhaps though this is a social issue rather than a legal issue.

Fred Swanson

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Jake Rugby Walrus666

It's a big day in a young mans life. When he turns 18. And makes his first cup of tea.

hullaballoo

I'd say johnny has this one covered; it's a social policy rather than seeking to absolve legal responsibility.

pj9999

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

Well they are children.

I'm not sure that if a child did burn themselves with the kettle and there was no sign that any liability would attach to the club - it is not clear where their negligence would arise from. Perhaps though this is a social issue rather than a legal issue.

They may be children legally; biologically a 17yo is an adult. Either way using a kettle is something people start doing at the age of about 10.

It's a legal issue because it's fear of the legal profession that caused the notice to be posted in the first place.

Cody Pomeray

pj9999 wrote: »

it's fear of the legal profession that caused the notice to be posted in the first place.

Then it's an irrational fear.

hullaballoo

How many times do we need to say the sign has no legal effect?

johnnyskeleton

pj9999 wrote: »

It's a legal issue because it's fear of the legal profession that caused the notice to be posted in the first place.

Yeah, just the other night I found a senior counsel and a partner in a top five firm rummaging through my bins for any signs of illegal activity.

coylemj

pj9999 wrote: »

It's a legal issue because it's fear of the legal profession that caused the notice to be posted in the first place.

The legal profession is only involved because they are engaged by greedy parents who will sue a school or sports club at the drop of a hat if their kid has the slightest accident.

I know personal injury lawyers advertise with flashy ads in the Golden Pages and so on but the first step in each action is taken by the parents, blame them.

I have no connection with the legal profession before you ask, my reason for posting this is because I was on the committee of the social club at work and on our family sports day a child had a minor accident which could just as well have happened in his own back yard but his father pursued it all the way and squeezed a few thousand out of the insurance company.

pj9999

coylemj wrote: »

The legal profession is only involved because they are engaged by greedy parents who will sue a school or sports club at the drop of a hat if their kid has the slightest accident.

I know personal injury lawyers advertise with flashy ads in the Golden Pages and so on but the first step in each action is taken by the parents, blame them.

I have no connection with the legal profession before you ask, my reason for posting this is because I was on the committee of the social club at work and on our family sports day a child had a minor accident which could just as well have happened in his own back yard but his father pursued it all the way and squeezed a few thousand out of the insurance company.

Lawyer: "Yes, I'd be delighted to take that case on; I don't give a damn if it means there'll be no outing for kids next year."

laoisman11

coylemj wrote: »

The legal profession is only involved because they are engaged by greedy parents who will sue a school or sports club at the drop of a hat if their kid has the slightest accident.

That sounds vaguely like an argument of the gun lobby in the US.......no sir, it wasn't the gun that shot them, it was the crazy person with the gun.

johnnyskeleton

pj9999 wrote: »

Lawyer: "Yes, I'd be delighted to take that case on; I don't give a damn if it means there'll be no outing for kids next year."

Wouldn't it be terrible if it was the other way around - "I refuse to take your case because i like the person who wronged you and don't want to see them out of pocket"

Or maybe a doctor could say "sorry, no medicine for you because I don't think you deserve to live"

amen

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Originally Posted by coylemj View Post
The legal profession is only involved because they are engaged by greedy parents who will sue a school or sports club at the drop of a hat if their kid has the slightest accident.
That sounds vaguely like an argument of the gun lobby in the US.......no sir, it wasn't the gun that shot them, it was the crazy person with the gun.

not really. One involves a set of adults suing for an everyday event that is a part of growing up and could happen/does happen at Home.


The other involves a group of people who believe everyone has a right to bear any type of gun anywhere irrespective of the damage/danger to other in society.

Manach

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

Yeah, just the other night I found a senior counsel and a partner in a top five firm rummaging through my bins for any signs of illegal activity.

Having you considered laying down traps and then having them humanely neutered?

DublinArnie

I'm 15 and I use the kettle almost every day, i'm such a rebel for breaking the law :cool:

Bepolite

I don't know about kettles, but there's plenty of irony in this thread.

That's so bad I'm actually going to leave it here rather than delete it.

hullaballoo

Oh my heart hurts.

NoQuarter

To be fair you can use a sign to limit your liability under the Occupiers Liability Act.

nuac

coylemj wrote: »

The legal profession is only involved because they are engaged by greedy parents who will sue a school or sports club at the drop of a hat if their kid has the slightest accident.

I know personal injury lawyers advertise with flashy ads in the Golden Pages and so on but the first step in each action is taken by the parents, blame them.

I have no connection with the legal profession before you ask, my reason for posting this is because I was on the committee of the social club at work and on our family sports day a child had a minor accident which could just as well have happened in his own back yard but his father pursued it all the way and squeezed a few thousand out of the insurance company.

Yes. have been amazed at parents who wish to take legal action over situations where their child hasn't sustained any damage, not even "traumatic stress"

johnnyskeleton

nuac wrote: »

Yes. have been amazed at parents who wish to take legal action over situations where their child hasn't sustained any damage, not even "traumatic stress"

Client: My little Jimmy is a student at the local school that recently burned down with most of the children suffering severe stress and PTSD and I want to see what I can do about it.

Nuac: That's awful. What's wrong with your child?

Client: The little brat was mitching off at the time and missed out.