shooting crows

mrbrendank

Today i was told it is illegal to shoot crows in ireland, is this true or false because ive been picking them off fairly often.. thanks

The Aussie

mrbrendank wrote: »

Today i was told it is illegal to shoot crows in ireland, is this true or false because ive been picking them off fairly often.. thanks

This is what I do with them....






Crows are classed as Vermin.

And the answer is False.
Do I win anything.

Cass

Hunting seasons here.

The Aussie

Cass wrote: »

Hunting seasons here.

Ireland has Geese ???

Never seen one in 12 years.

Ghost.

Ive seen them a couple of times. Flying way up there in their V formation. That's about it though.

Cass

I've seen them alright. When doing the motorway around Cullahil to Cashel there was a field with them and the locals told me that they started coming in a few years ago.

I thought they were domestic, but he told me they were wild. As for Canadian geese. Never seen them but have heard reports about them being in very specific areas.

rowa

Why aren't magpies classed as vermin ? Nothing but noisy f***ing nuisances of things.

daveob007

rowa wrote: »

Why aren't magpies classed as vermin ? Nothing but noisy f***ing nuisances of things.

and starling,dirtiest little bas****s ever,,my area is plagued with them and would love to mass poison them all

syklops

mrbrendank wrote: »

Today i was told it is illegal to shoot crows in ireland, is this true or false because ive been picking them off fairly often.. thanks

Who told you this drivel?

and starling,dirtiest little bas****s ever,,my area is plagued with them and would love to mass poison them all

Starlings?

dodderangler

The Aussie wrote: »

Ireland has Geese ???

Never seen one in 12 years.

Was recently in Southampton and that place is crawling with them now.
Every field that'll hold a small bit of water they are in. Also the farmers that have just plowed the fields they are picking the seeds. Be a haven for them.
As for crows I thought they can be shot under derogation act??

The Aussie

dodderangler wrote: »

Was recently in Southampton and that place is crawling with them now.
Every field that'll hold a small bit of water they are in. Also the farmers that have just plowed the fields they are picking the seeds. Be a haven for them.

Would like to see that, purely because I've never seen any.

dodderangler wrote: »

As for crows I thought they can be shot under derogation act??

Yep, the EU one.

Species covered under E.U. Derogation. rook, magpie, jackdaw, pigeon, greycrow. can be shot with shotgun or rifle if causing damage.....

dodderangler

I couldn't believe it when I seem them.
Hundreds all along the grass and rivers. And in the middle of the fields walking about like it was no big deal.


IMO magpies shouldn't be protected same as rooks. Ridiculous that they are protected

Backfire

rowa wrote: »

Why aren't magpies classed as vermin ? Nothing but noisy f***ing nuisances of things.

I always thought they were. Along with hooded crows (grey crows), rooks and jackdaws.

Well these 4 are all classed as vermin by the NARGC.

Capercaille

syklops wrote: »

Who told you this drivel?



Starlings?

Two species of crow are protected in Ireland, raven and the threatened Chough.

The Aussie

Capercaille wrote: »

Two species of crow are protected in Ireland, raven and the threatened Chough.

Over in the Nature and Bird Watching Forum you might get into semantics, over here a Crow is a Crow, a Grey Crow is a Grey Crow, a Raven is a Raven etcetera etcetera etcetera...

Sponge25

How is one supposed to defrentiate between the species? Only expert bird-watchers would know the differences of a rook and a raven etc.

Capercaille

The Aussie wrote: »

Over in the Nature and Bird Watching Forum you might get into semantics, over here a Crow is a Crow, a Grey Crow is a Grey Crow, a Raven is a Raven etcetera etcetera etcetera...

I'd have no problem with lads shooting Grey crow, magpie, rook and jackdaw. Shooting ravens is a different story and shooting threatened Chough which have around only 900 pairs in the Country is irresponsible.

Capercaille

Sponge25 wrote: »

How is one supposed to defrentiate between the species? Only expert bird-watchers would know the differences of a rook and a raven etc.

If somebody can't differentiate between protected species and vermin species, then they shouldn't be shooting.

hedzball

Sponge25 wrote: »

How is one supposed to defrentiate between the species? Only expert bird-watchers would know the differences of a rook and a raven etc.

Chough have a higher pitched squeak and redish feet ..

Can tell them pretty easy and they fly differently to a common crow.

dodderangler

Sponge25 wrote: »

How is one supposed to defrentiate between the species? Only expert bird-watchers would know the differences of a rook and a raven etc.

No the size difference is massive. Ravens are huge. Bigger than buzzards.

BuilderPlumber

The Aussie wrote: »

Would like to see that, purely because I've never seen any.





Yep, the EU one.

Species covered under E.U. Derogation. rook, magpie, jackdaw, pigeon, greycrow. can be shot with shotgun or rifle if causing damage.....

Rooks/black crows, magpies, jackdaws and grey crows are birds I don't like. I would not shoot them as I don't agree with this but I would regard crows as noisy and as a nuisance. I like pigeons and all other birds.

Birdnuts

daveob007 wrote: »

and starling,dirtiest little bas****s ever,,my area is plagued with them and would love to mass poison them all

At this time of year they have youngsters in toe so flocks are particulary large. They are protected though and the use of poison against any bird, protected or not, is illegal in this country.

flutered

around my house is full of grey crows and magpies, i have seen them work togeather to raid the nests of the small birds, hopefully next spring i will have a gun of some discription, there were two nests of grey crows, one male used to stand gaurd, while the females nested, i asked a guy with a rifle to get them he refused, as did a guy with a shotgun, why i dunno.

J.R.

dodderangler wrote: »

I couldn't believe it when I seem them.
Hundreds all along the grass and rivers. And in the middle of the fields walking about like it was no big deal.

You'll see something very similar around Dollymount Strand, near Clontarf and up along Bull Island when the geese arrive shortly.

dodderangler

I know starlings are considered pest in America and are controlled.
Should be same here. They are horrible dirty birds.
Sh1ting everywhere aswell.
Plus I reckon with 7 1/2s you'd take out a few in a flock

The Aussie

Capercaille wrote: »

I'd have no problem with lads shooting Grey crow, magpie, rook and jackdaw. Shooting ravens is a different story and shooting threatened Chough which have around only 900 pairs in the Country is irresponsible.

Sorry, I must have misread the thread title, I thought it read Shooting Crows, not Shooting Ravens and Threatened Chough, my mistake..... obviously :rolleyes:

ace86

flutered wrote: »

around my house is full of grey crows and magpies, i have seen them work togeather to raid the nests of the small birds, hopefully next spring i will have a gun of some discription, there were two nests of grey crows, one male used to stand gaurd, while the females nested, i asked a guy with a rifle to get them he refused, as did a guy with a shotgun, why i dunno.

If you could get a larsen trap of some sort with a caller bird in it would be as effective as shooting them with shotgun and rifle.All you need is time and patience.

flutered

ace86 wrote: »

If you could get a larsen trap of some sort with a caller bird in it would be as effective as shooting them with shotgun and rifle.All you need is time and patience.

can one get a fake call bird, i have both the time and the patience as i am disabled, the weanlings will be in in a few months and them scavangers will be annoying the tits off me, also the wan next door lets out food and the are living it up, the trap come next october baited at night ther should be something in it after a few nights, hopefully the king scald crow, as grey crows are known as hereabouts.

ace86

flutered wrote: »

can one get a fake call bird, i have both the time and the patience as i am disabled, the weanlings will be in in a few months and them scavangers will be annoying the tits off me, also the wan next door lets out food and the are living it up, the trap come next october baited at night ther should be something in it after a few nights, hopefully the king scald crow, as grey crows are known as hereabouts.

If there is a Gun Club near you try and get in contact with them they will most likely give you cages with a callerbird and all or if you post something up here where your from and things some fellow might be able to help.

Capercaille

The Aussie wrote: »

Sorry, I must have misread the thread title, I thought it read Shooting Crows, not Shooting Ravens and Threatened Chough, my mistake..... obviously :rolleyes:

Raven and Chough are crows.

Capercaille

dodderangler wrote: »

I know starlings are considered pest in America and are controlled.
Should be same here. They are horrible dirty birds.
Sh1ting everywhere aswell.
Plus I reckon with 7 1/2s you'd take out a few in a flock

Starlings are not native to the Americas. They are an alien invasive species there and compete with native birds for nest holes. They are native here in Europe and numbers are declining so that is why they are protected.

daveob007

Capercaille wrote: »

Starlings are not native to the Americas. They are an alien invasive species there and compete with native birds for nest holes. They are native here in Europe and numbers are declining so that is why they are protected.

not declining where i am,hundreds of the little flying rats ****ting everywhere and even coming into my garden in flocks to eat the dogs food,tried owl decoy to no effect either,live in built up area so most houses have them nesting in attics etc,any suggestions to get rid of them???

The Aussie

Capercaille wrote: »

Raven and Chough are crows.

Fallow, Sika, Reds both Stags/Bucks and Doe's are all Deer, :rolleyes:

dodderangler

daveob007 wrote: »

not declining where i am,hundreds of the little flying rats ****ting everywhere and even coming into my garden in flocks to eat the dogs food,tried owl decoy to no effect either,live in built up area so most houses have them nesting in attics etc,any suggestions to get rid of them???

+1 on that
They're all over the place were I am. Too many of them. Seen them sittin on hawk decoys. They cop on to it after a while. They're dirty rats.

1shot16

Cass wrote: »

I've seen them alright. When doing the motorway around Cullahil to Cashel there was a field with them and the locals told me that they started coming in a few years ago.

I thought they were domestic, but he told me they were wild. As for Canadian geese. Never seen them but have heard reports about them being in very specific areas.

Cullahill fair close to me lad see them in the V formation as well im not sure but i think im seeing sea birds up in laois

rowa

The Aussie wrote: »

Ireland has Geese ???

Never seen one in 12 years.

I know its the uk , but they get pretty much what we have here.

http://youtu.be/XKqaDv2Y7Rk

session savage

The Aussie wrote: »

Over in the Nature and Bird Watching Forum you might get into semantics, over here a Crow is a Crow, a Grey Crow is a Grey Crow, a Raven is a Raven etcetera etcetera etcetera...

couldn't disagree more.
we have rooks..shoot em
Jackdaws..shoot em
hooded crows..shoot em
magpies..shoot em

choughs and ravens are easily distinguishable and should not be shot. if you can't tell the difference or worse don't care then you shouldn't be shooting imo.

syklops

session savage wrote: »

couldn't disagree more.
we have rooks..shoot em
Jackdaws..shoot em
hooded crows..shoot em
magpies..shoot em

choughs and ravens are easily distinguishable and should not be shot. if you can't tell the difference or worse don't care then you shouldn't be shooting imo.

Thats what he said.

session savage

syklops wrote: »

Thats what he said.

Sorry if i picked him up wrong.
I thought he was saying that a crow is a crow (ie jackdaw, rook and chough = crow)

The Aussie

session savage wrote: »

Sorry if i picked him up wrong.
I thought he was saying that a crow is a crow (ie jackdaw, rook and chough = crow)

I'm not sure if English is your first language or not so I will break it down further for you.

The Aussie wrote: »

Over in the Nature and Bird Watching Forum you might get into semantics, over here
a Crow is a Crow,
a Grey Crow is a Grey Crow,
a Raven is a Raven
etcetera etcetera etcetera...

Get back to me if its still difficult, I can do up some stick figures for you, or maybe try reading first and posting second, it normally works a treat...

BuilderPlumber

session savage wrote: »

magpies..shoot em

Magpies are horrid horrid creatures.

session savage

The Aussie wrote: »

I'm not sure if English is your first language or not so I will break it down further for you.




Get back to me if its still difficult, I can do up some stick figures for you, or maybe try reading first and posting second, it normally works a treat...

pull them knots out of your knickers there and calm down. you said a crow is just a crow. well your pain wrong there because rooks, Jackdaws and choughs as well as hooded crows are all crows. and if your going around shooting choughs because they are crows then you've no business shooting.

1shot16

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

Magpies are horrid horrid creatures.

Agreed id shoot them all day if i could but there aint many left :P

syklops

And we were destined to discuss ravens, evermore.

The Aussie

session savage wrote: »

pull them knots out of your knickers there and calm down. you said a crow is just a crow. well your pain wrong there because rooks, Jackdaws and choughs as well as hooded crows are all crows. and if your going around shooting choughs because they are crows then you've no business shooting.

I will just go ahead and quote myself from earlier up the page for ease.

The Aussie wrote: »

Fallow, Sika, Reds both Stags/Bucks and Doe's are all Deer, :rolleyes:

Do people just go ahead a shoot the above because its Deer Season?

I fail to see where you are getting caught up on the post, many others easily see where the post went, was it the big words? To many syllables perhaps? semantics and etcetera etcetera etcetera could be fairly imposing to some I suppose, do you still need those stick figures there Champ?
Or maybe your trying to defend your post because you jumped in without engaging the old grey matter first maybe, baby Jesus wept.

Do you spend everyday life looking to find outrage? Btw I love the following, makes me giggle and says more about you than me... kudos.

session savage wrote: »

then you shouldn't be shooting imo.

session savage wrote: »

then you've no business shooting.

dodderangler

1shot16 wrote: »

Agreed id shoot them all day if i could but there aint many left :P

Loads left.
They're just dog wide though.
Smart as fcuk aswell.

flutered

1shot16 wrote: »

Agreed id shoot them all day if i could but there aint many left :P

reeding season

there are a half dozen breeding nests within eye sight of my yard this breeding season, next breeding season i hope to get some one to arrive at half nine at night, and blow the nests to smithereens from underneath to get rid of all the family.

syklops

flutered wrote: »

reeding season

there are a half dozen breeding nests within eye sight of my yard this breeding season, next breeding season i hope to get some one to arrive at half nine at night, and blow the nests to smithereens from underneath to get rid of all the family.

I love how you have the exact time decided.

dodderangler

syklops wrote: »

I love how you have the exact time decided.

Well everyone knows that half 9 is when all birds are sitting on their nests.

flutered

syklops wrote: »

I love how you have the exact time decided.

being disabled gives one time to be more obsversvent to what is going on areound one.

session savage

The Aussie wrote: »

I will just go ahead and quote myself from earlier up the page for ease.



Do people just go ahead a shoot the above because its Deer Season?

I fail to see where you are getting caught up on the post, many others easily see where the post went, was it the big words? To many syllables perhaps? semantics and etcetera etcetera etcetera could be fairly imposing to some I suppose, do you still need those stick figures there Champ?
Or maybe your trying to defend your post because you jumped in without engaging the old grey matter first maybe, baby Jesus wept.

Do you spend everyday life looking to find outrage? Btw I love the following, makes me giggle and says more about you than me... kudos.

Ah jesus Aussie are you serious? I said above that I was sorry if I picked you up wrong but instead of being civil you resort to getting your dictionary out to look up big boy words so you can resort to insults and degradation to try to win an "argument". If your getting this excited because I misunderstood you and (then apologised if i did), it leads me to believe you have some issues. So why don't you go have a nap or eat a snickers or whatever you need to do to calm down. It usually works with my 2 year old.