Protein Shakes/Bars

keano2012

Hey,

Does it matter if you take protein shakes before a workout or do you have to drink during a workout? Can anyone recommend good protein shakes and bars?

Thanks

theSHU

Lidl are doing protein powder & shakes next week, maybe compare and see if they are a good deal.

dor843088

keano2012 wrote: »

Hey,

Does it matter if you take protein shakes before a workout or do you have to drink during a workout? Can anyone recommend good protein shakes and bars?

Thanks

All that matters is you get your protein carbs and fat requirements at some stage during the day as far as results go . Nutrient timing makes so little difference its not worth talking about.

keano2012

dor843088 wrote: »

All that matters is you get your protein carbs and fat requirements at some stage during the day as far as results go . Nutrient timing makes so little difference its not worth talking about.

perfect thanks, i literally havent a clue....i am just starting so i am new to all this dietary requirements etc! just whenever i go to the gym eveyone seems to be drinking them but i would rather drink them before the gym and then just have water in the gym. i heard that if you take these protein shakes without proper exercise etc you will get really fat and that overall they are not healthy for you. Is this true?

dor843088

keano2012 wrote: »

perfect thanks, i literally havent a clue....i am just starting so i am new to all this dietary requirements etc! just whenever i go to the gym eveyone seems to be drinking them but i would rather drink them before the gym and then just have water in the gym. i heard that if you take these protein shakes without proper exercise etc you will get really fat and that overall they are not healthy for you. Is this true?

Shakes are just a convenient source of protein. They have artificial sweeteners if thats what you consider unhealthy. And the only thing that makes you fat is a surplus of calories wherever they may come from .

Duck's hoop

dor843088 wrote: »

All that matters is you get your protein carbs and fat requirements at some stage during the day as far as results go . Nutrient timing makes so little difference its not worth talking about.

It's pretty widely accepted that getting a decent, fast absorbing protein into you ASAP after exercise is a very good thing. Combine with some fast carbs for optimal awesomeness.

Protein shakes are just food in liquid form. Whoever is telling you that shyte about making you fat is a poorly informed nincompoop.

I looked at the lidl stuff, don't think most of it is great value tbf.

dor843088

Duck's hoop wrote: »

It's pretty widely accepted that getting a decent, fast absorbing protein into you ASAP after exercise is a very good thing. Combine with some fast carbs for optimal awesomeness.

Protein shakes are just food in liquid form. Whoever is telling you that shyte about making you fat is a poorly informed nincompoop.

I looked at the lidl stuff, don't think most of it is great value tbf.

I agree its widely accepted by people who don't know what they are talking about. The post workout window is bs .

Duck's hoop

Really? Please, do elucidate.

Gummy Panda

Duck's hoop wrote: »

Really? Please, do elucidate.

It being discredited as supplement company myth to drive overpriced carb powders. Most of the studies are done on runners and such who would deplete glycogen a lot more then someone lifting weights. Your diet 24 hours afterwards is more important.

Now this is based on being unassisted.

keano2012

ok now i'm a bit cinfused! take protein shakes or not? take them pre/post workout?

dor843088

keano2012 wrote: »

ok now i'm a bit cinfused! take protein shakes or not? take them pre/post workout?

It doesn't matter as I said.

Duck's hoop

Gummy Panda wrote: »

It being discredited as supplement company myth to drive overpriced carb powders. Most of the studies are done on runners and such who would deplete glycogen a lot more then someone lifting weights. Your diet 24 hours afterwards is more important.

Now this is based on being unassisted.

Hmm. It's been said up to v recently on here by many. But overpriced carbs? Bag of dextrose is pretty cheap.

I think I'll keep doing it as it makes sense in my mind, and I'm generally ready for a refuel by that time.

I'm not convinced one 4000kcal meal, with all relevant macros, eaten at 0730 is going to be of the same benefit to me as those Kcals eaten throughout the day.

Gummy Panda

Duck's hoop wrote: »

Hmm. It's been said up to v recently on here by many. But overpriced carbs? Bag of dextrose is pretty cheap.

I think I'll keep doing it as it makes sense in my mind, and I'm generally ready for a refuel by that time.

I'm not convinced one 4000kcal meal, with all relevant macros, eaten at 0730 is going to be of the same benefit to me as those Kcals eaten throughout the day.

It's more stuff like wms or branded names like glycofuso or carbolic

Essien

keano2012 wrote: »

ok now i'm a bit cinfused! take protein shakes or not? take them pre/post workout?

Like dor said, it doesn't matter, your overall protein intake is the important bit. If you're not getting enough from other foods, take it, if you're getting enough, don't.

All too often in this context people simply forget / ignore the definition of the word supplement. Their purpose is to help fill a requirement where a deficit exists, if no deficit exists, no supplement is required.

There's nothing special in them, though they are incredibly convenient and often very nice. FWIW I take Optimum Nutrition - Strawberry Whey and it tastes great.

Billiethepup

Quest Bars - GOLD!

keano2012

thanks for all the comments! Just another quick question semi related! I currently weigh 87kg, im 5'8- stocky enough- never did any gym workout so have no real muscle if u know what i mean! What should my strategy be for gaining muscle- lose some weight first and then try build it up or what?

Hani Kosti

Where do you get them in Ireland?

CuriousG

theSHU wrote: »

Lidl are doing protein powder & shakes next week, maybe compare and see if they are a good deal.

Lidl?? Really?

edit: just found the leaflet http://www.lidl-pageflip.com/ie.html?kid=SB8rwL

Thanks a million for posting that as I am never in lidl and was about get one in H+B I had saved for as just ran out!! Thanks !!!

runawaybishop

bulkpowders and myprotein are still better value.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

plus myprotein mocha flavour is manna from the gods

Mellor

Duck's hoop wrote: »

I think I'll keep doing it as it makes sense in my mind, and I'm generally ready for a refuel by that time.

Most pseudoscience myths make sense at some level. Whichis why they get repeated over and over as fact.
Post workout is probably optimal but the difference probably tiny, and not worth worrying about.

I'm not convinced one 4000kcal meal, with all relevant macros, eaten at 0730 is going to be of the same benefit to me as those Kcals eaten throughout the day.

You'll be digesting a 4000kcal meal for a while so its still spread out over a good part of the day.

Are any of these nice
http://ie.myprotein.com/sports-nutrition/protein-muffin/10636988.html
http://ie.myprotein.com/sports-nutrition/high-pro/10530459.html

2 euro a piece seems ok compared to what's in vending machines and stuff anyway and I'm gone off the homemade ones

runawaybishop

Those muffins seem awfully high in sugars.

Yeah I think those are just normal muffins with a bit extra protein
A halfway compromise
Might buy the sample bar and try it

Duck's hoop

bluewolf wrote: »

Are any of these nice
http://ie.myprotein.com/sports-nutrition/protein-muffin/10636988.html
http://ie.myprotein.com/sports-nutrition/high-pro/10530459.html

2 euro a piece seems ok compared to what's in vending machines and stuff anyway and I'm gone off the homemade ones

I've the High Pro bars and tbh I don't reach for them very often. I have them in various places in case of unforeseen protein deficit. They're basically not very nice.

Transform

tried them all - rubbish.

quest bars ftw by a million miles - http://www.iherb.com/search?kw=questbar&okw=quest&rank=1#p=1

robocode

Definitely go with quest bars! I get a couple of boxes at a time from iHerb, cheap delivery and really quick! They taste great and have no crap in them. I love the peanut butter and the vanilla almond crunch!

Okay trying the quest bars

Essien

170 cals, 20g protein & 19g fiber from a chocolate brownie bar? I'll have some of that!

keano2012

Essien wrote: »

170 cals, 20g protein & 19g fiber from a chocolate brownie bar? I'll have some of that!

which website are you ordering them from?

Essien

keano2012 wrote: »

which website are you ordering them from?

The one transform linked to above, that's the first time I've seen them but they look great, certainly compared to any other bar I've seen.

I might order 2 different flavours. Works out at about €45 for 24 bars (i think) shipped in 2-4 days.

Gummy Panda

bluewolf wrote: »

Okay trying the quest bars

Quest bars are the best but i do like TPW Whey Oat Crisp

siblers

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Quest bars are the best but i do like TPW Whey Oat Crisp

They are half price and all, gonna have to other a couple of boxes

Transform

Essien wrote: »

The one transform linked to above, that's the first time I've seen them but they look great, certainly compared to any other bar I've seen.

I might order 2 different flavours. Works out at about €45 for 24 bars (i think) shipped in 2-4 days.

shipping is really fast and ive done a piece on what you should look out for in a protein bar that might help readers here - http://www.dominicmunnelly.ie/2011/09/what-you-need-to-know-about-protein-bars/

billyhead

Transform wrote: »

shipping is really fast and ive done a piece on what you should look out for in a protein bar that might help readers here - http://www.dominicmunnelly.ie/2011/09/what-you-need-to-know-about-protein-bars/

Transform,

From looking at the nutrition on these bars already qouted would they be decent enough

http://www.theproteinworks.com/products/food-snacks/bars/whey-oat-crisp-flapjack.html

Marty McFly

I;m going to give these Quest bars a shot seeing them pop up a lot lately, any flavours any would recommend? Save me getting ones that arent so nice .

I have eaten half a brownie one and they're nice! I got vanilla whatsit as well but haven't tried yet

the groutch

tried Quest bars before, tasted very rubbery, not my kind of thing tbh.

Transform

billyhead wrote: »

Transform,

From looking at the nutrition on these bars already qouted would they be decent enough

http://www.theproteinworks.com/products/food-snacks/bars/whey-oat-crisp-flapjack.html

i think for post workout maybe ok but for other times quest bars

gymprincess27

Hi im a personal trainer and i would not recommend taking protein before training as it just sits on your stomach and doesn't get burnt up, if you want to take it before id suggest you take it about 2 hours beforehand so it has time to digest but the best time to drink the shakes is about 30 - 40 mins after training for max absorption and muscle repair. Also try and stick with whey protein as its the quickest to absorb

john_cappa

gymprincess27 wrote: »

Hi im a personal trainer and i would not recommend taking protein before training as it just sits on your stomach and doesn't get burnt up, if you want to take it before id suggest you take it about 2 hours beforehand so it has time to digest but the best time to drink the shakes is about 30 - 40 mins after training for max absorption and muscle repair. Also try and stick with whey protein as its the quickest to absorb

Full of myths and half truths.

A_Sober_Paddy

Someone mentioned H&B protein...

Now whenever I've heard it mentioned its soon followed by, oh its rubbish protein, but its protein content is higher than USN 100% whey, I have had the H&B stuff seemed grand, just some of the flavours a bit sweet. Now its awful value but I just don't get all the hate...

But Bulkpowder is the way forward...

runawaybishop

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

Someone mentioned H&B protein...

Now whenever I've heard it mentioned its soon followed by, oh its rubbish protein, but its protein content is higher than USN 100% whey, I have had the H&B stuff seemed grand, just some of the flavours a bit sweet. Now its awful value but I just don't get all the hate...

But Bulkpowder is the way forward...

Its just very expensive. Even with the "buy one get another for 1 cent" offer its like 40% pricier than the major suppliers.

A_Sober_Paddy

runawaybishop wrote: »

Its just very expensive. Even with the "buy one get another for 1 cent" offer its like 40% pricier than the major suppliers.

I said that but is there an proof that its an inferior protein

runawaybishop

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

I said that but is there an proof that its an inferior protein

Not sure about the protein type, but it was a lower % than the major suppliers also.

edit: i think people also say its hard to mix and tastes nasty.

schwalbe

john_cappa wrote: »

Full of myths and half truths.

The person is a personal trainer,do not question their authority.