Taxing tractors

yellow50HX

Heard in the pub last night that all farm tractors need to taxed now, even if they don't go on the road. Apparently we have the end of the month to declare them. Now I know tractors that ar on the road need to be taxed but do we need to tax the all now? Anyone what the story is. I only use the digger for farm work and other then crossing the road to the land across from us the tractor does vey little road work.

The local council refuse the repair the roads, clean the storm drains or cut the margins and hedges yet the expect the people using the roads to stump up more cash to so they can keep their over paid jobs, fat pensions and fictitious expense.

GY A1

surely cant be,
dont make sense if its not on the road

yellow50HX

GY A1 wrote: »

surely cant be,
dont make sense if its not on the road

What's sense got to do with it. It's not like the motor tax is actually for roads

GY A1

yellow50HX wrote: »

What's sense got to do with it. It's not like the motor tax is actually for roads

true enough alot of things dont make sense, where did guy in pub hear it

Sam Kade

Nonsense, if you have a tractor that isn't taxed and you intend selling it or putting it back on the road in future you need to declare it off the road before sept 30. If you don't and you decide to put it back on the road or sell it you will be caught for the back tax to when it was last taxed. You need to renew the off road declaration every after that. The Gardai have nothing to do with it from sept 30 you need to get a form to declare it off the road and send it to the council.

Rovi

There's a big thread about this over in the Classic Cars forum:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056949661

Basically, unless you're absolutely certain it'll never touch the public highway ever again under any circumstances, from the end of this September every road registered vehicle in your possession must be either taxed or declared off the road.

All the official bumf is here:
https://www.motortax.ie/OMT/staticContent.do?page=gappinginfo


Even vehicles "just crossing the road" should be taxed, as they ARE on the public road after all

Sam Kade

Pub talk, it must have been Arthur Guinness talking Arthur can spin yarns

Figerty

Rovi wrote: »

There's a big thread about this over in the Classic Cars forum:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056949661

Basically, unless you're absolutely certain it'll never touch the public highway ever again under any circumstances, from the end of this September every road registered vehicle in your possession must be either taxed or declared off the road.

All the official bumf is here:
https://www.motortax.ie/OMT/staticContent.do?page=gappinginfo


Even vehicles "just crossing the road" should be taxed, as they ARE on the public road after all

did you see the crack last week with the Combine harvester being impounded for €88 tax.

Sam Kade

Figerty wrote: »

did you see the crack last week with the Combine harvester being impounded for €88 tax.

What a joke, all they had to do was fine him and get him to tax it before he brought it onto the road again.

Rovi

Figerty wrote: »

did you see the crack last week with the Combine harvester being impounded for €88 tax.

Yep, here's the article in the Farming Independent:

Combine impounded for lack of road tax

DARRAGH MCCULLOUGH – 13 AUGUST 2013

A north Dublin grain grower suffered an unexpected delay in his harvest last week when his combine was impounded for not having road tax...

More here:
http://www.independent.ie/business/farming/combine-impounded-for-lack-of-road-tax-29493508.html

Figerty

Sam Kade wrote: »

What a joke, all they had to do was fine him and get him to tax it before he brought it onto the road again.

I wonder had he been warned previously?

Sam Kade

Figerty wrote: »

I wonder had he been warned previously?

Maybe was it a checkpoint or were they watching him?

Bactidiaryl

Sam Kade wrote: »

Maybe was it a checkpoint or were they watching him?

Or did he piss them off?

Stereomaniac

Maybe he did. Sometimes farmers DO drive on the road without tax on tractors though, surely?

Sam Kade

Stereomaniac wrote: »

Maybe he did. Sometimes farmers DO drive on the road without tax on tractors though, surely?

Surely just like a certain % of motorists that were using 6 months on 6 months off and still using their cars on the road. Those are the ones crying about the new rules now

Stereomaniac

That's what I am saying. I don't like all of the laws, I wish there was no such thing as tax. But I know that if I want to drive my car with peace of mind, I have to get the money together.

Sam Kade

Stereomaniac wrote: »

That's what I am saying. I don't like all of the laws, I wish there was no such thing as tax. But I know that if I want to drive my car with peace of mind, I have to get the money together.

What they used do was tax the car for half the year whether every 3 months or 6 months, if they were stopped just pay the fine and get a Garda to stamp the form to say the car was off the road and only pay from the start of the month they were caught. Sounds fairly stupid when you think of it the Gardaí fining them for no tax then they stamp a form for them to say their car was off the road when fined :rolleyes: Everyone will pay their fair share now proper order even though they think they will still be able to use a loophole to dodge motor tax :mad:

Timmaay

Reminds me of an old tractor that was bought here back in the the 80s,the year they scrapped the motortax for one year. We kept it for another 10 years or so, but somehow it slipped through the net and never once was taxed over them 10yrs ha. Not a major amount of road driving done with it I'll admit, but thats certainly something my dad wouldn't risk now!

Damo810

Sam Kade wrote: »

Surely just like a certain % of motorists that were using 6 months on 6 months off and still using their cars on the road. Those are the ones crying about the new rules now

Contractor here has 4 tractors or so. Has his main baling tractor since 04, never taxed and he'd be doing a lot of bales with it too. Most of the farmers wouldn't tax them either..

yellow50HX

GY A1 wrote: »

true enough alot of things dont make sense, where did guy in pub hear it

'twas in the jurno I think. He was talking about the lad with the combine in Dublin.

Cop was just looking for a soft target, it's a lot easier then trying to find house robbers.

Sam Kade

Timmaay wrote: »

Reminds me of an old tractor that was bought here back in the the 80s,the year they scrapped the motortax for one year. We kept it for another 10 years or so, but somehow it slipped through the net and never once was taxed over them 10yrs ha. Not a major amount of road driving done with it I'll admit, but thats certainly something my dad wouldn't risk now!

That was back in the good old days when you could buy a brand new car or other vehicle in September and not reg or tax it until the following January
the 4 month old car was already a year newer. If you were stopped by the Gardaí all you had to say was that you were just after buying it and they wouldn't question it. There was no such thing as reg before the car left the garage.

SomethingElse

How often will you have to declare a tractor off the road after Sept 31st? 6 month intervals??

Rovi

SomethingElse wrote: »

How often will you have to declare a tractor off the road after Sept 31st? 6 month intervals??

Annually, and it'll be possible to do it online. Allegedly

Markcheese

Damo810 wrote: »

Contractor here has 4 tractors or so. Has his main baling tractor since 04, never taxed and he'd be doing a lot of bales with it too. Most of the farmers wouldn't tax them either..

Most of the checkpoints round here have a couple of low loaders at them, anything with wildly out of date tax gets impounded and towed away .... (don't know how they'd deal with a combine )

Figerty

Markcheese wrote: »

Most of the checkpoints round here have a couple of low loaders at them, anything with wildly out of date tax gets impounded and towed away .... (don't know how they'd deal with a combine )

Badly, called a for a loader,, it was too small.. had to call for a second loader and then head for Dublin around rush hour and caused traffic mayhem. Farmer had to get a loader the following day to bring it back out..

Not one of Templemores finest I would think.

whelan1

Figerty wrote: »

Badly, called a for a loader,, it was too small.. had to call for a second loader and then head for Dublin around rush hour and caused traffic mayhem. Farmer had to get a loader the following day to bring it back out..

Not one of Templemores finest I would think.

but sure look at all the publicity it got... since a few of the local stations have been closed around here there are alot more checkpoints. Was one a few weeks ago near here, the amount of people who taxed their vehicles the next day was unreal so it is obviously working

Sam Kade

Figerty wrote: »

Badly, called a for a loader,, it was too small.. had to call for a second loader and then head for Dublin around rush hour and caused traffic mayhem. Farmer had to get a loader the following day to bring it back out..

Not one of Templemores finest I would think.

They said that it had to be driven to the pound when the lowloader wasn't big enough, I wonder did the farmer drive it to the pound himself or did one of the Gardaí have a go If a Garda sat up on a modern combine attempting to drive it he wouldn't know his head from his arse

whelan1

Sam Kade wrote: »

They said that it had to be driven to the pound when the lowloader wasn't big enough, I wonder did the farmer drive it to the pound himself or did one of the Gardaí have a go If a Garda sat up on a modern combine attempting to drive it he wouldn't know his head from his arse

wouldnt be so sure, lad that ploughs my fields is a garda, you'd never know

moy83

whelan1 wrote: »

wouldnt be so sure, lad that ploughs my fields is a garda, you'd never know

They all seem to have a job on the side around here too

whelan1

its a bit like the tv licence if one person gets caught everyone pays it- although i pay it anyway , even though i dont agree with it, so i can live in a bit of peace

1chippy

we have a tractor with no tax book. it goes on the road only a couple of times per year. i never taxed it, where do i go from here?

Juniorhurler

1chippy wrote: »

we have a tractor with no tax book. it goes on the road only a couple of times per year. i never taxed it, where do i go from here?

same as.

Muckit

moy83 wrote: »

They all seem to have a job on the side around here too

Wouldn't they need one since all their overtime was docked

moy83

Muckit wrote: »

Wouldn't they need one since all their overtime was docked

You're just trying to upset me now Muckit !

Dampintheattic

1chippy wrote: »

we have a tractor with no tax book. it goes on the road only a couple of times per year. i never taxed it, where do i go from here?

Jail -;)

yellow50HX

1chippy wrote: »

we have a tractor with no tax book. it goes on the road only a couple of times per year. i never taxed it, where do i go from here?

Don't know if we even have a tax book, found one for one of the old tractors today but that's much to me as its long gone, thing it went to Africa

Poor Farmer in the hills

We have a tractor from uk 16 years ago never imported or taxed it here i wonder whats the story with it

ace86

Rovi wrote: »

Annually, and it'll be possible to do it online. Allegedly

And a possible fee of €25 nxt year as well:mad:

simx

Poor Farmer in the hills wrote: »

We have a tractor from uk 16 years ago never imported or taxed it here i wonder whats the story with it

Have you uk tax book?

hoseman

Changed tractor afew years back.never got tax book,rang garage ,said it is in my name and the trouble is with Shannon where they change nownership.Rang them got no good,so rang county council.
"Yes that is in your name it will cost €20.00 for replacement book"
"I never got one to loose so why should I pay for your mistake"
"You will need it to tax it"
"No I will not"
Conversation went to and fro,So I told her I will tax it on line,and will give the €20.00 to a charity.
Logged on put in reg no,clicked for new pin number and taxed it,every year for the last 3 years.
How can you loose something if you never got it,nobody else in the house ony hoseman!!!

JohnBoy

if you have something, anything that ties it to an irish reg then you're grand, fill out some forms and pay a fee and they'll issue you a log book.

for imports I'm less sure, there was talk about having to pay some form of "back vrt" for things imported and not declared at the time (you may need proof of importation) but I dont know the story there.

I'm worse off. I have a land rover and a grey fergie, no paperwork and no reg on either, bought to restore in an era when it was less of an issue.

I forsee a lot of painful calls to various authorities who'll tell me all sorts of confilicting stories.

have another tractor that we need to get the log book re-issued for and then one car that I at least have the paperwork for.

I'm gonna need a day or two off feckin work to sort all this. ack!

Bleating Lamb

whelan1 wrote: »

its a bit like the tv licence if one person gets caught everyone pays it- although i pay it anyway , even though i dont agree with it, so i can live in a bit of peace

Whaaaa?....ya need a licence for the box??:)

nashmach

This is the greatest farce and I bet creating more work for the tax offices.

Have an old tractor here that hasnt been taxed since 1990 and was owned by my grandfather who died not long after.

3 bloody forms to fill out, two trips to the Tax Office and a trip to a Garda station!

I bet lots won't bother!

jay gatsby

At what point do they become classic/vintage/not have to be taxed?

Or is there no escape?

nashmach

jay gatsby wrote: »

At what point do they become classic/vintage/not have to be taxed?

Or is there no escape?

No escape now, you either tax or declare off the road or else chance it but could be liable for back tax!

49801

this is ridiculous!
this thread is the first i have heard of this!
Surely the farming organisations should be making farmers aware of significant the changes like this! have seen or heard nothing about this. for the most part i can see the point for the change to make it more difficult for people to dodge etc.

we have 2 tractors. only occasionally on road... maybe to pick up goods from coop every now and then. cross road to other block of land etc. purely our own use ie. not carrying goods for others or contracting like.

never taxed tractors before now and most farmers in our area would not bother with it.

should we tax them now or declare them off road or do nothing?

nashmach

49801 wrote: »

this is ridiculous!
this thread is the first i have heard of this!
Surely the farming organisations should be making farmers aware of significant the changes like this! have seen or heard nothing about this. for the most part i can see the point for the change to make it more difficult for people to dodge etc.

we have 2 tractors. only occasionally on road... maybe to pick up goods from coop every now and then. cross road to other block of land etc. purely our own use ie. not carrying goods for others or contracting like.

never taxed tractors before now and most farmers in our area would not bother with it.

should we tax them now or declare them off road or do nothing?

Tax one, it should have been taxed anyway.

Declare the other off the road and don't use it on the road in the future.

whelan1

theres something going on in our area, helicopters flying low each day since last week, customs stopping up the road and a garda check point today

Dampintheattic

whelan1 wrote: »

theres something going on in our area, helicopters flying low each day since last week, customs stopping up the road and a garda check point today

Try letting a bunch of wild limmys off the road.
See if the boys in blue will stop them, and ask them "where are ye going"?:D

reilig

Your argument is the same as me saying that I have a jeep. It's rarely on the public road. maybe a couple of trips to the mart every year. Why should I have to pay tax on it?

The reason is that it uses the road. Not much, but it still uses it. If I don't pay my share, then some other poor fool suffers road tax increases to cover my share. It's your moral responsibility to pay it and the Guards should clamp down on those that don't pay road tax by seizing the tractors in the same way that they seize cars that are more than 3 months out of tax!

There's a popular thread on boards.ie called stingiest thing you have every seen a stingy person do. Well worth a read. I hate people who expect others to pay their share all the time and have a litteny of excuses to make themselves feel good about it!

49801 wrote: »

this is ridiculous!
this thread is the first i have heard of this!
Surely the farming organisations should be making farmers aware of significant the changes like this! have seen or heard nothing about this. for the most part i can see the point for the change to make it more difficult for people to dodge etc.

we have 2 tractors. only occasionally on road... maybe to pick up goods from coop every now and then. cross road to other block of land etc. purely our own use ie. not carrying goods for others or contracting like.

never taxed tractors before now and most farmers in our area would not bother with it.

should we tax them now or declare them off road or do nothing?

49801

reilig wrote: »

Your argument is the same as me saying that I have a jeep. It's rarely on the public road. maybe a couple of trips to the mart every year. Why should I have to pay tax on it?

The reason is that it uses the road. Not much, but it still uses it. If I don't pay my share, then some other poor fool suffers road tax increases to cover my share. It's your moral responsibility to pay it and the Guards should clamp down on those that don't pay road tax by seizing the tractors in the same way that they seize cars that are more than 3 months out of tax!

There's a popular thread on boards.ie called stingiest thing you have every seen a stingy person do. Well worth a read. I hate people who expect others to pay their share all the time and have a litteny of excuses to make themselves feel good about it!

well we're far from stingy and will always pay our share.
in some respects i understand it is an enforcment issue and it is easier for them to Tar every1 with the same brush.
I just cant understand that there has not been communication from the farming organisations about this to make farmers aware that there is a significant change about to affect farmers!:mad: