Saturday 24th August

UrbanSea

Think Bet365 have gotten Kingsgate Choice's price all wrong at the Curragh. 10/1 in the 3.10, this is a massive each way price. Powers have him priced at 11/2, only other firm to price the race atm.

Slattsy

I think War Command is NAP material in the 4.20 at the Curragh.

Outpaced over six lto (even though he won the Coventry) he'll relish the step back up to 7f. Ballydoyle will know exactly where they stand with the other 2 non-Ballydoyle horses in the race as both of their form ties in nicely with runners of theirs own.

The evens at the moment with Bet365 could look big by tomorrow.
I know its not exactly original but WC should win and is worth throwing in any double with your fancies

Colonel Sanders

UrbanSea wrote: »

Think Bet365 have gotten Kingsgate Choice's price all wrong at the Curragh. 10/1 in the 3.10, this is a massive each way price. Powers have him priced at 11/2, only other firm to price the race atm.

10/1 is gone but VD have put 9/1 up

Slattsy

There's not much that jumps out at me tomorrow i have to be honest. One that does tickle my fancy in the 2.40 at York is Mister Impatience

The key to this horse is the ground so i'd be hoping it pi$$es down over night, but maybe the current good to soft will suffice..

This lad boasts some decent form (6 length second to Ruler of The World at Chester) and although at first glance you might think he's been disappointing since, he has been running in much better races than this, on ground that was too quick.
Back in handicap company tomorrow, with (hopefully) the ground coming right im expecting a good run at 9/1 in a poor enough looking race.

UrbanSea

Slattsy wrote: »

There's not much that jumps out at me tomorrow i have to be honest. One that does tickle my fancy in the 2.40 at York is Mister Impatience

The key to this horse is the ground so i'd be hoping it pi$$es down over night, but maybe the current good to soft will suffice..

This lad boasts some decent form (6 length second to Ruler of The World at Chester) and although at first glance you might think he's been disappointing since, he has been running in much better races than this, on ground that was too quick.
Back in handicap company tomorrow, with (hopefully) the ground coming right im expecting a good run at 9/1 in a poor enough looking race.

He looked one to keep onside when he hacked up at Donny.

Johner

Slattsy wrote: »

I think War Command is NAP material in the 4.20 at the Curragh.

Outpaced over six lto (even though he won the Coventry) he'll relish the step back up to 7f. Ballydoyle will know exactly where they stand with the other 2 non-Ballydoyle horses in the race as both of their form ties in nicely with runners of theirs own.

The evens at the moment with Bet365 could look big by tomorrow.
I know its not exactly original but WC should win and is worth throwing in any double with your fancies

Yeah he wont be evens tomorrow. Around 4/6 I'd imagine, that evens looks good.

ste2010

Ted Veale was at 20'a today now 8's...how was he 20's

Johner

ste2010 wrote: »

Ted Veale was at 20'a today now 8's...how was he 20's

Was he? I looked after his Bellewstown win and he was best priced 10/1?

ste2010

Johner wrote: »

Was he? I looked after his Bellewstown win and he was best priced 10/1?

Sportinglife have him as a steamer in from 20's!?

Oscars Well.

Biggest price I've seen in the last 10 days for Ted Veale was 16/1

ste2010

Strange. Does he have a chance tomorrow?

Johner

I took a little bit of the 10s that was available on Ted Veale the other day. Might go in again at 8/1, think he has a good chance alright.

tryfix

Slattsy wrote: »

I think War Command is NAP material in the 4.20 at the Curragh.

Outpaced over six lto (even though he won the Coventry) he'll relish the step back up to 7f. Ballydoyle will know exactly where they stand with the other 2 non-Ballydoyle horses in the race as both of their form ties in nicely with runners of theirs own.

The evens at the moment with Bet365 could look big by tomorrow.
I know its not exactly original but WC should win and is worth throwing in any double with your fancies

Not as much as Exogenesis will....

Johner

Cristoforo Colombo takes a big drop in class in the first at York. The 9/4 looks nice.

EDIT Glory awaits looks a big price at 7s in the same race.

fangee

Slattsy wrote: »

I think War Command is NAP material in the 4.20 at the Curragh.

Outpaced over six lto (even though he won the Coventry) he'll relish the step back up to 7f. Ballydoyle will know exactly where they stand with the other 2 non-Ballydoyle horses in the race as both of their form ties in nicely with runners of theirs own.

The evens at the moment with Bet365 could look big by tomorrow.
I know its not exactly original but WC should win and is worth throwing in any double with your fancies

You happy for him to carry the weight of my money or should I wait for Rossom ?

NewApproach

Johner wrote: »

Cristoforo Colombo takes a big drop in class in the first at York. The 9/4 looks nice.

EDIT Glory awaits looks a big price at 7s in the same race.

I was thinking the opposite. Its a competitive race and he has plenty to prove. I'd be opposing him at the price.

rossom

rossom wrote: »

I had to do a double take when I saw the market for Goodwood's Celebration Mile on Saturday and saw Educate 20/1. Granted, he's got to take a big, big step forward to get involved in this Group 2 but he definitely hasn't stopped improving yet and his current price tag is ridiculous. I think everyone knows how highly I rate him but I'm not going to lie and say I'm very confident. I strongly believe he has more than enough ability to win Group Races over 10f but I am slightly worried if he's good enough to win a contest of this nature over 1m. This looks a very decent renewal with Thistle Bird coming into this on the back of a blinding 2nd in the Nassau Stakes whilst Afsare demolished a Group 3 field LTO and Educate will have to raise his game substantially to get involved. I do think there is a fair chance and I'm very hopeful that he will but I couldn't be brimming with confidence. Nonetheless, 20/1 is an absolutely ridiculous price and I don't think anyone could leave him unbacked at that price.

No surprise to see him halved in price as 20s was ridiculous. No need to say much more other than hopefully the race isn't run at a crawl and if rain falls it doesn't bother me and may help him as I think it may suit over 1m as I think he's better over 10f

rossom

4.30 Newmarket

Nenge Mboko 10/1

I think the market has gotten Nenge Mboko's price very wrong and I honestly can't see him out of the places - and I strongly fancy him to land this. George Baker's 3 year old has been transformed with the application of a visor and I think there is still a lot more to come. Looking a frustrating horse at times, Nenge Mboko barely scrambled home over 6f in a seller by a short head at Windsor last month but that confidence has clearly done him the world of good. Having easily dispatched of another seller 3 starts ago at Nottingham, Nenge Mboko returned to handicap company off a mark of 80 at Windsor over 6f when winning very cheekily by a neck when justifying his late market support. In a 3 year old handicap under Pat Cosgrave, Nenge Mboko travelled well throughout the race and Cosgrave was a cool customer as he never resorted to using the whip (shook him along vigorously at times) as he was well in control at the finish to land the hat trick in fine style. The runner up Jontleman (who reopposses tomorrow off 5lb worse terms and is shorter in the market) has ran very well on his 3 subsequent starts since including when winning well LTO off a 3lb higher mark and that performance clearly showed Nenge Mboko was very much a horse on the way up. 9 days later Nenge Mboko turned out under a 6lb penalty at Glorious Goodwood over 7f and although he ended up a just over 3L beaten 5th I think he would have won had the race been over 6f and that the trip just stretched him. Having travelled well throughout the contest, Nenge Mboko hit the front just outside the final furlong and stayed there until about the final 100 or so yards as he could find no more at the finish as he hung right late on. Trainer George Baker posted on his site that jockey Pat Cosgrave told him he would have won if it was a 6f contest and the drop back to that trip today is a massive positive. Furthermore, the front 4 that swamped him late on all came near side whereas Nenge Mboko finished on the far side of the track and its definitely plausible that he ended up on the slower part of the track.

That race against elders when only one of two 3 year olds (other tailed off) has worked out really well from the small sample of horses to run since. The 2nd and 6th home have both won well since off the same mark and thats not at all surprising given how competitive handicaps at Glorious Goodwood are. He's been freshened up with 24 days off the track (previous 4 runs in the space of 30 days) and is now 1lb lower off a mark of 85 as the handicapper has reassessed. Now back against his own age group, I think the drop back to 6f is key for Nenge Mboko and although this is the same grade as he faced LTO I think it looks a much easier contest. A horse who seems to act on any surface, Nenge Mboko has bagged a great draw in stall 1 if they decided to stick to the rail and he certainly won't be inconvenienced either if the race is run more towards the middle. Pat Cosgrave is again on board and seems to get on really well with this gelding and trainer George Baker is in good form at present as well. I'm slightly concerned that there doesn't look a natural front runner in this contest as it would be a shame if this race was a crawl with a sprint finish and given that he is a smooth traveller the faster they go the better. The favourite and handicap debutant Muthmir could obviously be a fly in the ointment with only 3 career starts to date but although a mark of 87 looks feasible I don't necessarily think he's thrown in off his opening mark and I really think its going to take a well handicapped animal to defy Nenge Mboko today. If the race is run at a good clip and Nenge Mboko gets an uninterrupted passage, I would be absolutely shocked if he isn't in the first 3 home but I strongly fancy him to land this contest and I've had a good sized wager on him to do just that as he is unquestionably my best bet of the day.

rossom

3.50 York

Saptapadi 33/1

I can't leave Saptapadi unbacked at 33/1 off a mark of 94 in the Ebor despite the likely soft ground being a bit of an unknown. Well handicapped on his 2011 form that saw him 5th in this event off a mark of 105, he also showed strong form in a Group 2 at the track over a trip to short immediately prior to that before embarking on an unsuccessful attempt to win the Melbourne Cup. Saptapadi had a very unsuccesful time when left in Australia with Jim Conlan but has shaped on a few occasions that he still holds his old sparkle since returning to former trainer Brian Ellison. At undoubtedly his favourite track, he has a lovely low weight of 8-10 and a good draw in stall 9 and despite the soft ground being an unknown he seemed to travel through it fine when making his first start since rejoining Ellison when not knocked about back in May. North Yorkshire based Ellison won this in 2011 with Moyenne Corniche and given that this is his only entry since I am sure this has been the long term goal for his now 7 year old gelding and there is not very many trainers who can get a horse to peak like Ellison can and he would undoubtedly love to win Europe's richest handicap once again.

rossom

fangee wrote: »

You happy for him to carry the weight of my money or should I wait for Rossom ?

Couldn't have been more impressed with War Command at Royal Ascot and immediately thought he was a potential superstar. Couldn't have been more disappointed LTO with that bubble bursting and although he's undoubtedly very talented and could prove a cut above these he can go and win at the price for me. 7f should suit but the horse that won at RA 100% would have won LTO so I don't think you can put his defeat down to the trip.

Overthelast

ste2010 wrote: »

Ted Veale was at 20'a today now 8's...how was he 20's

I have been watching his price for 2 days on Oddschecker. I didn't see anything above 9's

Overthelast

Johner wrote: »

Cristoforo Colombo takes a big drop in class in the first at York. The 9/4 looks nice.

EDIT Glory awaits looks a big price at 7s in the same race.

Rex Impersonator for me in that. This is a lot easier than the Stewards cup!!

Overthelast

15mil rain, soft all round at York.

UrbanSea

Wouldn't fancy Cristoforo on that ground he has always wanted it good, would have won the Railway last year but for the ground. That said his class might get him through but wouldn't be quick to lump on today

rossom

Overthelast wrote: »

I have been watching his price for 2 days on Oddschecker. I didn't see anything above 9's

Was 20s in PP and Stan James and I think he was 20s in PP up until about 1.30 Friday.

Was in the antepost section as opposed to the standard racecard.

Overthelast

Parabold is the one I like in the Gimcrack.

Lots of non runners at York.

Overthelast

rossom wrote: »

Was 20s in PP and Stan James and I think he was 20s in PP up until about 1.30 Friday.

Was in the antepost section as opposed to the standard racecard.

Ah, didn't even know there was another section.

Overthelast

Just a question I've wanted to ask for a while, does Rossom ever sleep?!?. I often wake up on a Saturday morning to find you've posted selections at 3.50am, then 4.20am etc etc !!

racso1975

Overthelast wrote: »

Just a question I've wanted to ask for a while, does Rossom ever sleep?!?. I often wake up on a Saturday morning to find you've posted selections at 3.50am, then 4.20am etc etc !!

Lol at you thinking rossom is a mere mortal who sleeps

UrbanSea

Kingsgate Choice 3.10 Curragh 10/1

I think a double digit price about this horse is a massive each way price about this six year old. A Wolverhampton maiden winner at two, he won five handicaps (all over five furlongs) up until the end of last season, winning a competitive Catterick handicap last back end off a mark of 93 on soft going.

Returned this year better than ever, finishing a good second to Tangerine Trees, beaten a neck at Musselburgh (pair clear), and ran some good races in defeat next two runs, finishing a good third at Newbury and at Chester despite being poorly drawn. Has gone from strength to strength since, winning a shade cosily at York off a mark of 100 (strong form) and was all out to win a decent handicap at Musselburgh, beating Racy by a head off a mark of 104.

Stepped out of handicap company for the first time last time out at York and finished better than the forth place suggests, holding every chance but being unable to quicken near the end, finishing a shade over half a length behind Jwala who gave that form a massive boost today when winning the Gr.1 Nunthorpe Stakes at York. He needs another step forward in this Gr.3 but it’s not the strongest renewal, and 10s is a very big each way price.

Rock God 5.50 Goodwood 20/1

The rank outsider of the field here and whilst he has plenty to prove, 20/1 could be a big price each way if he returns to anyway like the form he showed when he running in a couple of maidens as a two year old.

He really caught the eye last year and looked like he’d be potentially very smart, running in a really good maiden first time out at Goodwood over 7 furlongs, finishing a ¾ of a length second to Steeler, a subsequent Gr.2 winner and was third in the Gr.1 Racing Post Trophy, whilst the third horse won a Newmarket maiden, easily beating Space Ship, who was second in the King George at Royal Ascot.

It was a bit disappointing he didn’t go one better at Sandown next time out, finishing a 2 ½ length sixth in what was an above average maiden, with the 100 rated Havana Beat finishing second and the top class Hillstar made his debut in that race, really catching the eye. In hindsight the run was better than it looked at the time, though he ran poorly next time out at Newmarket.

Returned in a Kempton handicap off a mark of 79 in June, looking like he’d come on for the run, but it was really disappointing he couldn’t open his account at Wolverhampton next time out in what looked a winnable race, instead finished a three lengths forth.

Did run with more promise last time out back in a handicap off a mark of 73, running much better than the result suggests, picking it up two furlongs out but he didn’t stay the 14 furlong trip (traded near evens). Handicapper has cut him some slack and is down to a mark of 70, hopefully tomorrow is the day he finally comes good having promised so much as a two year old, though this isn’t a bad race, with most of the field unexposed.

Mince 3.55 Newmarket 6/1


Most progressive Medicean filly who looked like she was destined for the top of the European sprinting ranks this year after a really good year last year, making a delayed reappearance last May at Newmarket, beaten in a 6 furlong handicap by a head off a mark of 85, but went one better next time out over the same course and distance off a mark of 91.

Ran poorly her next two runs, shaping as if something was amiss first time out in Stakes company, but started her upward curve with an Ascot handicap win off a mark of 94 (six furlongs, good to firm, broke the course record) and got herself some black type next time out when nicely landing a Pontrefact Listed race by 2 lengths, and was even more impressive next time out at York in another Listed race when breaking another course record. Proved soft ground was of no inconvenience to her last run of the season at Ascot when beating the top class Aussie sprinter Soul by a head in a Gr.3.

She seemed to have the sprinting division at her feet after that, but was disappointing this season having made yet another belated reappearance following some problems over the winter, finishing tenth first time out in a strong York Gr.2, and it was disappointing that she was beaten at odds on at Windsor next time out in what looked a winnable race, finishing half a lengths third to Boomerang Bob. No show in the Diamond Jubilee next time out at Royal Ascot, but did shape with a lot more promise last time out when blinkered for the first time, slowly away but a decent length third to the smart filly Tickled Pink. Tomorrow’s race is easier than that, and 6/1 looks a biggish price, particularly if she rediscovers her best form

Overthelast

racso1975 wrote: »

Lol at you thinking rossom is a mere mortal who sleeps

So true. Stupid of me!

Gatame

Educate around 10/1 now for celebration mile.. glad I got on yesterday! Was half tempted to hold off incase there was a non runner.

UrbanSea

Educate is a nice horse but it'll be a disappointing gr.2 if he wins it

Dubron

Dessie Hughes sends one, Mr. Duffy, to Cartmel for a poor looking Class 5 handicap chase. The horse appears to like the ground good or better. First time he'll get his ground over fences, on a very low mark, has the best jockey in the race in Paddy Brennan on board I think it's worth a bet at 4/1.

Slattsy

fangee wrote: »

You happy for him to carry the weight of my money or should I wait for Rossom ?

He'll win alright.

Slattsy

UrbanSea wrote: »

Wouldn't fancy Cristoforo on that ground he has always wanted it good, would have won the Railway last year but for the ground. That said his class might get him through but wouldn't be quick to lump on today

Any other trainer wouldn't run him today. The world and it's cat knows he wants firm ground. Lay.

I like the look of Mince too. I think soft ground is what this horse wants.

Dubron

Cristoforo Columbo a n/r. Ebor down to 14. Ted Veale could easily go off favourite I think!

Slattsy

Ha ha

Overthelast

Pp doing money back 2nd to fav on channel 4 races again today.

Overthelast

I've it narrowed down to 2 for the Ebor, sheikhzayedroad and tropical beat. So going to back both, with a weighting towards the latter.

Dubron

Tropical Beat is a non runner so that's your decision made for you :pac:

Overthelast

Ah ffs!

NewApproach

Dubron wrote: »

Cristoforo Columbo a n/r.

FFS!

Slattsy

Might stay in bed a while longer.

Overthelast

In today's RP, Sheikhzayedroad is listed as drawn 21 in a field of 20 and Genzy drawn 22!

paddy no 11

Gary O'Brien fairly pouring cold water on Ted veale's chances

Where the feck is aidan with my bets for today?

droidman123

My winning selections for today
Hawkhigh 2.40 York @11/1
Parbold 3.15 York @7/2 really like this horse.
Genzy for the ebor @11/1
Heavens guest e/w 2.55 goodwood @16/1
Switcher e/w 2.05 York @33/1. I am really interested in this horse,ran in group races but has had its fair share of training problems.last two times I backed it was a non runner. Has gone to the fahy Meister,hopefully he can work his magic.its a tall order,but at 33/1 I just stuck a tenner e/w on.
I also did a lucky fifteen but I,m too lazy to type it out,if it comes in I will after time like foooook!! good luck to all.

Slattsy

Any value in Ted Veale well and truly gone. Well done to the boys that were on at bigger prices.
Might go with Opinion instead.

kiers47

3 bets today.
Was really impressed Come to Heel lto in cork won a decent maiden in cork as he liked. Price is skinny now but took some 7/2 earlier. Can't believe he was 9/2 last night and I missed it. Anyway had him priced up at more of a 2/1 shot so happy with 7/2. 2.35 curragh

Glen Moss was quite impressive the last day and he was backed accordingly. This is a lot more difficult but I feel he could still have a bit in hand under a penalty. My one concern is I'm not a massive frankie fan but hopefully the horse wins in spite of the ride he gets. 7/1 is massive. 2.55 goodwood

Rex imperator. This race has broken up massively with the nr's. Sirius prospect is after taking a massive plunge also. This horse was gonna be a selection before any nr's at 11/4. I got some 2/1 just there so had to get stuck in. His form of late is by far the best on offer. His stewards cup win was very impressive. 2.05 York

I also had a small nibble on justice day in the 3.05 York at 28/1. So I guess 4bets.
I would say that wachmans 2yo is the nap but I'm quite keen on the 3.

kiers47

I was also quite keen to have a whack on tiger cliffe. Was looking at 8/1 yesterday and said I would hang on. Missed the boat now.
Was he pricewised or something does anyone know?

Johner

Hot Streak looks a big price at 5/1 in the 4.25 at York. Won on debut over 6f at the same course winning very well. He looked to have loads of speed so dropping back to 5f should be no problem. The 2nd and 3rd from his maiden have come out and won. Completely different ground on what he won on debut though so a small ew here for me.