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UK Judge refuses to allow burka wearer to enter a plea!

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,824 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    The judge is a racist so.................................
































    Actually hes not...fair fcuks to him for doing what he did.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,494 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    "Take off that silly hat and swear on this bible that you'll tell the truth"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,478 ✭✭✭wexie


    this oughta be interesting....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Wow. Just....wow.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,039 ✭✭✭MJ23


    And he with a stupid looking white curly wig.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,046 ✭✭✭martinedwards


    WELL DONE INDEED.....

    Though.....

    if your Mum was in Umbotoland where it's compulsory for all court witnesses to give evidence while naked on a mechanical Bull..........


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,390 ✭✭✭clairefontaine


    He made the right call.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Ridiculous headwear, this is a court of law after all. Time to end silly garb in courts.



  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,555 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    definitely made the right call


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 443 ✭✭Elbaston


    Could have been anyone under there.


    - ehh no, the accused didn't commit the crime, ill just go out and tell him its ok to come back in.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭Howard Juneau


    The judges reasoning & explaination are sound. If the accused is being charged with intimidating a witness, how can she be identified if she remains in her burka?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 222 ✭✭Kinzig


    Murphys law applies in this case:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Why can her identity not be confirmed by a female prison officer?? Is the judge afraid of Houdini style trick?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,824 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    Elbaston wrote: »
    Could have been anyone under there.




    You damn right there....


    "She" could be hiding a "tambomb" in there somewhere....:pac:





  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Cody Pomeray


    I can't believe anyone would defend the notion of a person appearing in an open court in full disguise, without citing personal safety reasons.

    For the record - I'm not in favour of wigs in the courtroom, but I do appreciate they have a role in protecting the anonymity/ safety of counsel and judges.

    But to say that someone can seriously expect to turn up in court with a bin bag over their heads? For god's sake lads.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,083 ✭✭✭meoklmrk91


    MadsL wrote: »
    Why can her identity not be confirmed by a female prison officer?? Is the judge afraid of Houdini style trick?

    If I went into court with a potato sack on my head and said it was part of my religion would I not get the same treatment? I have no problem with anyone who is religious as long as it doesn't affect me but this is court of law and religion has no place in it.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1537414/Murder-suspect-fled-under-Muslim-veil.html
    A Somali asylum seeker wanted for the murder of WPc Sharon Beshenivsky is believed to have fled Britain dressed as a woman wearing a Muslim niqab, which covers the whole face apart from the eyes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,390 ✭✭✭clairefontaine


    MadsL wrote: »
    Why can her identity not be confirmed by a female prison officer?? Is the judge afraid of Houdini style trick?

    That's not how trials work in a democracy.

    Jury and advocacy have to verify the witnesses and all participants.

    You show your face in the west. That's how it works.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    meoklmrk91 wrote: »
    If I went into court with a potato sack on my head and said it was part of my religion would I not get the same treatment? I have no problem with anyone who is religious as long as it doesn't affect me but this is court of law and religion has no place in it.

    I swear by Almighty God that the evidence I shall give....

    How does this women wearing a burka affect you?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,390 ✭✭✭clairefontaine


    MadsL wrote: »
    I swear by Almighty God that the evidence I shall give....

    How does this women wearing a burka affect you?

    You want us to swear by Allah? Would you like to import all the other nsanity of the ME as it applies to women on trial?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,478 ✭✭✭wexie



    I was actually just wondering how these things work with passports and passport photo's (or ID in general?)?

    Surely they don't just have passports of a black mask with some eyes showing?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,892 ✭✭✭bizmark


    their ridiculous religion has no place in a civilized world anyway worked hard to subdue the power of the church in Europe we don't need an even more backward one having special privileges for its idiotic anti women/human practices


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    That's not how trials work in a democracy.

    Jury and advocacy have to verify the witnesses and all participants.

    You show your face in the west. That's how it works.

    Why can an officer of the court not bring the women before the court and testify under oath that it is the same woman?

    Showing her face does not prove identity, she could have an identical twin sister...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    bizmark wrote: »
    their ridiculous religion has no place in a civilized world anyway worked hard to subdue the power of the church in Europe we don't need an even more backward one having special privileges for its idiotic anti women/human practices

    Wtf? You realise the burka has very little to do with Islam?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,917 ✭✭✭red sean


    If the real IRA turned up in court with balaclavas on, I'd expect they'd be made remove them.
    Yet they're part of the uniform!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    You want us to swear by Allah? Would you like to import all the other nsanity of the ME as it applies to women on trial?

    Or Jehova? Or Krishna? Or no God at all...

    Madness, where would it end??

    Can't be treating people as people.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,390 ✭✭✭clairefontaine


    MadsL wrote: »
    Why can an officer of the court not bring the women before the court and testify under oath that it is the same woman?

    Showing her face does not prove identity, she could have an identical twin sister...

    Unlikely.

    Because we in the west value transparency. It's an essential part of checks and balances.

    The jury needs to see the face. In fact it works in a defendants favour. If the jury can't see your face, you look like you have something to hide. Your pretty much guaranteeing yourself a guilty verdict.

    If you can't tolerate transparency,mother you go back to the ME and get stoned to death.

    Examine what you tolerate.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,390 ✭✭✭clairefontaine


    MadsL wrote: »
    Or Jehova? Or Krishna? Or no God at all...

    Madness, where would it end??

    Can't be treating people as people.

    I agree God should be taken out of the oath. It should be secularised.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,478 ✭✭✭wexie


    MadsL wrote: »
    Wtf? You realise the burka has very little to do with Islam?

    How's that?

    (genuinely enquiring now)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    They don't allow balaclava's in court, surprisingly enough. If she is so religious what is she doing in court, let me guess, wrongly accused??


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