Looking for input from honda civic 1.6 owners 96-04

BJ2007

Hi

Im considering buying a honda civic hatchback 2004 1.6 se vtec.
However having looked up the specs its 108 bhp.
The older model 99-00 (which i prefer the look) of is 114-123 bhp.

How come the newer type has less power? is it not the same engine?

All input appreciated

Thanks

Bejubby

Emmissions regulations.
Get it chipped to release the power.

neasyerac

I had a 1.6 SiR civic for a couple of years, great little engine never gave me any trouble. Plenty of pull in the car also for when you need it, Think it's around 160 - 170 BHP from factory. You would pick up a year 99 car for next to noting these days

hi_im_fil

Most sir's are wrecked though. Any cheap ones aren't worth the hassle IMO

jayok

Whoa - 2 different engines.

The older B16A 1.6 came in as a 158bhp screamer with a power-band kicking in at about 5.5K RPM. This was common in the VTi, SiR etc. Great for power, but pretty poor on fuel economy (nomral driving circa 32-35 mpg) and torque.

The later D16 series put out 108BHP and was more frugal and gave a smoother torque band and was more more usable in the casual sense. Redlined a 6.3K but max torue was 4.5K if I remember. Used in the 01-05 Civic. It could deliver 45mpg if driven carefully.

I had both engines in my time and the B16 was a hoot to drive but rough, the D16 was more sedate but lacked grunt.

jayok

Oh and to confuse the matter, the 5 door Civic came as a 1.6 ES as well which put out 123BHP. This was a SOHC D-series. This was only in the 4-door saloon as an automatic. (called the 1.6 iES)

neglectarino

I had an 02 1.6l hatchback and coming up from a fiesta, found the engine a good mix of being pokey but frugal if driven easy.

BJ2007

Sorry guys, not to confuse anyone im only after a sohc 1.6 to keep the economy good.
Ive no interest in vti / sir etc.
Thanks for the info so far.
I guess honda just detuned the 1.6 from 01 onwards to maybe be more fuel efficent?

jayok

Ah ok - well the D16 in the 01-05 is pretty good for its time. To be fair to Honda it via a different engine to the D series in the older Civics. Very reliable and good mix of fuel economy.

NobodyImportant

I thought it changed to a K series for 2001 - 2004 and hence the drop in power? D series was dropped by 2001. It was powerful and reliable, but needed updating for emmissions and MPG.

jayok

The K series was only in the Civic Type R and 5 door Civic Type S (198 and 158bhp respectively). The 1.6 and 1.4 were D series engines. The K series also powered the Accord, CRV, FRV, Stream and is minimum 2 litres.

JohnBoy26

The older 1.6 d-series sohc came in two forms. A standard version with 103bhp and a vtec version with 122 bhp. The 114bhp engine was a 1.5 vtec unit built with economy in mind.

The newer ep civics also had d series engines but they were updated compared to the previous versions.

BJ2007

thanks for the reply guys, i found this civic on donedeal that i really like;

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/honda-civic/5338656

i spoke to the guy and got him to check the rocker cover of the engine but its not stamped vetc on it?
I did a motorcheck.ie and it comes up as a 1.6 Vtec ise model. How will i know its a vtec besides driving it and seeing if it kicks in at 5000k rpm?

Thanks again

JohnBoy26

BJ2007 wrote: »

thanks for the reply guys, i found this civic on donedeal that i really like;

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/honda-civic/5338656

i spoke to the guy and got him to check the rocker cover of the engine but its not stamped vetc on it?
I did a motorcheck.ie and it comes up as a 1.6 Vtec ise model. How will i know its a vtec besides driving it and seeing if it kicks in at 5000k rpm?

Thanks again

it will have a solenoid behind the rocker cover on the left if it's vtec. There will be no vtec kick in or at least not a big one on these sohc engines.

jayok

It's a 1.6 SOHC VTEC engine (123 BHP) - you won't feel any kick from that. On that redline is around 6800 if I remember. Also, VTEC isn't written anywhere on the body. If in doubt get the engine code it will be D16?? e.g D16Z1 and you'll know exactly what it is.

jayok

And here ya go:

http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/reviews/facts-and-figures/honda/civic/hatchback-1995/16914/

BJ2007

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

it will have a solenoid behind the rocker cover on the left if it's vtec. There will be no vtec kick in or at least not a big one on these sohc engines.

Cheers,mate il have a look for that. Is that like a starter solenoid? ( im a motorcycle mechanic so not well up on cars)
would you have a picture of where the part is?
Thanks again

BJ2007

jayok wrote: »

It's a 1.6 SOHC VTEC engine (123 BHP) - you won't feel any kick from that. On that redline is around 6800 if I remember. Also, VTEC isn't written anywhere on the body. If in doubt get the engine code it will be D16?? e.g D16Z1 and you'll know exactly what it is.

@jayok - cheers for that, i drove a 1992 civic saloon esi 1.6 sohc vtec before and had a little kick around 4800rpm and a light pull in power

Will it be like that or different?
Thanks again for all your replies, i appreciate all the info.

JohnBoy26

jayok wrote: »

It's a 1.6 SOHC VTEC engine (123 BHP) - you won't feel any kick from that. On that redline is around 6800 if I remember. Also, VTEC isn't written anywhere on the body. If in doubt get the engine code it will be D16?? e.g D16Z1 and you'll know exactly what it is.

It is. On those 5dr hatchbacks there should be a vtec badge on the bumper directly under one of the rear lights. The badge with the engine size and trim is usually under the opposite rear light.

JohnBoy26

BJ2007 wrote: »

@jayok - cheers for that, i drove a 1992 civic saloon esi 1.6 sohc vtec before and had a little kick around 4800rpm and a light pull in power

Will it be like that or different?
Thanks again for all your replies, i appreciate all the info.

If your looking for vtec kick in, you are looking at the wrong car. What ever kick in that's there is barely if at all noticeable.

BJ2007

Ok cool, well im not that bothered about the kick, if it doesnt have it not to worry. I just dont want a car thats sluggish but most of these hondas have decent power in them.

There is also a standard non - vtec 1.6 sohc available in these 95-00 5dr models, what are they like? A little less power than the vtec model?

Thanks again

jayok

BJ2007 wrote: »

@jayok - cheers for that, i drove a 1992 civic saloon esi 1.6 sohc vtec before and had a little kick around 4800rpm and a light pull in power
Will it be like that or different?

It'll be similar, though the ESi in that body was a cracker (had one of those in 1998!). It was a very light car, I drooled for a VTi in that body at the time.

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

It is. On those 5dr hatchbacks there should be a vtec badge on the bumper directly under one of the rear lights. .

Absolutely right, I completely forgot about that! Though these badges were normally robbed by jealous 1.4 drivers.

BJ2007 wrote: »

There is also a standard non - vtec 1.6 sohc available in these 95-00 5dr models, what are they like? A little less power than the vtec model?

The 105BHP 1.6 was only put into this model upto 1997. This is the same engine that was in the Civic Coupe iLS and HRV It's sluggish. Avoid.

jayok

BJ2007 wrote: »

Ok cool, well im not that bothered about the kick, if it doesnt have it not to worry. I just dont want a car thats sluggish but most of these hondas have decent power in them.

Ask for the engine code (serial number) PM it and we can tell you all about it!

BJ2007

@jayok ok i will avoid the standard 1.6.

so does that mean all the 1.6 sohc were vtec after 1997? or only a few?

BJ2007

jayok wrote: »

Ask for the engine code (serial number) PM it and we can tell you all about it!

i got the enigne code: D16W4E106125

so what is it?

jayok

BJ2007 wrote: »

@jayok ok i will avoid the standard 1.6.

so does that mean all the 1.6 sohc were vtec after 1997? or only a few?

Yes. Unless there was some old stock lying around.

BJ2007 wrote: »

i got the enigne code: D16W4E106125

so what is it?

It's a 1.6 SOHC VTEC engine.

D16W4 VTEC
Found in:
1998–2001 Honda Civic Aerodeck MC1 1.6i VTEC/ES
Power : 126 hp (93 kW)
Valvetrain : SOHC (4 valves per cylinder)

BJ2007

@jayok - thats great thanks, now i know. going to go look at it in the next few days.

BJ2007

Well i bought the car, drives great, lots of power up top end, just 1 or 2 problems to sort out. Thanks again.

jayok

BJ2007 wrote: »

Well i bought the car, drives great, lots of power up top end, just 1 or 2 problems to sort out. Thanks again.

Best of luck with it!

JohnBoy26

BJ2007 wrote: »

Well i bought the car, drives great, lots of power up top end, just 1 or 2 problems to sort out. Thanks again.

Well wear, happy motoring.:) I only spotted your post on the vtec solonoid now. Here is a pic http://www.pakwheels.com/forums/attachments/performance-modification-tune-up-preventive-maintenance/273333d1311461236-where-vtec-solenoid-located-d16y6-vtec-engine-dsc06411.jpg

Gary ITR

Those engines are beyond bulletproof, so much so that the yanks are turboing them for drag cars, they are making 400bhp on stock internals :eek:

BJ2007

Gary ITR wrote: »

Those engines are beyond bulletproof, so much so that the yanks are turboing them for drag cars, they are making 400bhp on stock internals :eek:

Yea ive heard about turbos being put on them, must be strong so!

BJ2007

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Well wear, happy motoring.:) I only spotted your post on the vtec solonoid now. Here is a pic http://www.pakwheels.com/forums/attachments/performance-modification-tune-up-preventive-maintenance/273333d1311461236-where-vtec-solenoid-located-d16y6-vtec-engine-dsc06411.jpg

Cheers mate, yea the civic i got has dat.