Dublin Half Mara - 21st Sept

RubyK

Sorry if there is already a thread for this, but I couldn't find it

http://dublinmarathon.ie/race-series/dublin-half-marathon

Anyone signed up for this? For those who have done it before, what is the course like? Any significant hills I should be aware of

RunRoryRun

This will be my 3rd year doing it. It's good - sort of a figure of 8 of the park running down chesterfield avenue twice and taking a left the first time and a right the second time at the bottom.

First half is quite flat or at least has no steep uphills. The toughest hills start after mile 10 up Military Road and again with a long drag on the Upper Glen Road. Both fine on their own but would prefer them to be out of the way earlier .

Mile 12 to finish is flat though, so it's good for a strong finish!

menoscemo

RubyK wrote: »

Sorry if there is already a thread for this, but I couldn't find it

http://dublinmarathon.ie/race-series/dublin-half-marathon

Anyone signed up for this? For those who have done it before, what is the course like? Any significant hills I should be aware of

As Phoenix park goes, it's a fairly fast course; however all the hills are over the last 3 miles.
There is a nice little double whammy of hills as you come back into the park just after mile 10 (short but steepish hills) then it's flat for a mile through the Sbends before a long drag from mile 12-13 up the Glenn rd. So just keep it in mind and save some energy for the end of the race.

Here's my garmin to last years course. It seems to be still the same: http://connect.garmin.com/activity/222981940

RubyK

Thanks Rory and Meno, appreciate the replies. Thanks for the garmin link too

I haven't raced a half, since Kildare in May 2012, so could really do with signing up for this, to see what lack of shape I'm in for DCM.

tunguska

RubyK wrote: »

Sorry if there is already a thread for this, but I couldn't find it

http://dublinmarathon.ie/race-series/dublin-half-marathon

Anyone signed up for this? For those who have done it before, what is the course like? Any significant hills I should be aware of

Its a nice enough course, you get to go through Farmleigh which is great. But a word of warning: Keep something in the tank for the last 3 miles. You come back into the park from chapelizod road and its a sharp climb to military hill which itself is a bitch, expecially if the wind is in your face. And its climbing more or less thereafter to the finish. You could easily lose 2 or 3 minutes over those last 3 miles if you're cooked by the time you've hit the 10 mile point.

RubyK

tunguska wrote: »

Its a nice enough course, you get to go through Farmleigh is great. But a word of warning: Keep something in the tank for the last 3 miles. You come back into the park from chapelizod road and its a sharp climb to military hill which itself is a bitch, expecially if the wind is in your face. And its climbing more or less thereafter to the finish. You could easily lose 2 or 3 minutes over those last 3 miles if you're cooked by the time you've hit the 10 mile point.

Jebas, sounds like a tough last few miles! Thanks for the info though I remember the pain of Kildare from about mile 10 onwards, and that was pretty much flat from there on in. This could hurt :eek:

Ososlo

killer last few miles for this one and worse than the 10 miler yesterday. I'd say after my experience yesterday that one would need to bank loads of time over the first 9.5 miles as it'll be an even tougher finish from 9.5 to end. Lots of opportunity up to that to bank time. This pacing thing is tricky on these kinds of courses:rolleyes: all comes with experience I hope! Why oh why do the hills have to be at the very end:(

Blarney92

I understand there is pacers for this race but does anyone know at what intervals they'll be at?

Contemplating a shot off sub 100 but if the pacer is at 105 and none at 100 might just go for that and get used to running with pacers

menoscemo

Blarney92 wrote: »

I understand there is pacers for this race but does anyone know at what intervals they'll be at?

Contemplating a shot off sub 100 but if the pacer is at 105 and none at 100 might just go for that and get used to running with pacers

Pacers are 1:30, 1:40, 1:50 and 2 hours.

laura_ac3

Ososlo wrote: »

killer last few miles for this one and worse than the 10 miler yesterday. I'd say after my experience yesterday that one would need to bank loads of time over the first 9.5 miles as it'll be an even tougher finish from 9.5 to end. Lots of opportunity up to that to bank time. This pacing thing is tricky on these kinds of courses:rolleyes: all comes with experience I hope! Why oh why do the hills have to be at the very end:(

At least you have some experience of it now. I did this half last year too and after doing most of my training on flat (no real hills where I did my LSR) I was very unprepared for those last 3 miles. So for the half and yesterdays race I made sure to factor in hills in my training this year. Knowing what was coming yesterday was half the battle along with knowing I had managed them in training. just remember too to keep something in the tank! I'm sure if you keep up the training along with the experience of yesterday you'll be fine

Ososlo

laura_ac3 wrote: »

At least you have some experience of it now. I did this half last year too and after doing most of my training on flat (no real hills where I did my LSR) I was very unprepared for those last 3 miles. So for the half and yesterdays race I made sure to factor in hills in my training this year. Knowing what was coming yesterday was half the battle along with knowing I had managed them in training. just remember too to keep something in the tank! I'm sure if you keep up the training along with the experience of yesterday you'll be fine

thanks. I know the hills like the back of my hand so no excuses for me really, I just wish the hills could be in the middle of the race! I actually don't mind them at all and like the variety of what they bring to the race but it's just very hard to figure out exactly how much time to bank up to that point. I've been told I'm overthinking it all. Possibly:o

BeepBeep67

It's not that bad, no need to go mad early on.
Run to 7 miles as you normally would, you then have an opportunity to bank some time over the next 3 mainly flat / downhill miles.
11 and 13 are hilly, but you do get some respite on mile 12 where you can recover and prepare yourself for the final climb up Glenn Rd.

thewolf_ie

Just train on tougher hills. I'm looking forward to this one as it will be my last half until DCM.

Ososlo

thewolf_ie wrote: »

Just train on tougher hills. I'm looking forward to this one as it will be my last half until DCM.

that's actually a really good idea. The hills of Howth are beckoning me:)

laura_ac3

Ososlo wrote: »

that's actually a really good idea. The hills of Howth are beckoning me:)

Jeez, I've cycled those.....the thought of running them is a scary prospect, not something I'd ever considered! I'll leave that to you, I'll stick to the Phoenix park for now

belcarra

Blarney92 wrote: »

I understand there is pacers for this race but does anyone know at what intervals they'll be at?

Contemplating a shot off sub 100 but if the pacer is at 105 and none at 100 might just go for that and get used to running with pacers

I'll be pacing 1:40 with Marthastew's OH and Beepbeep. Be sure to say hello!

Hard Worker

Bottled water at the three stations this year.
There will also be a lucozade station at the 7 mile water station.

Blarney92

belcarra wrote: »

I'll be pacing 1:40 with Marthastew's OH and Beepbeep. Be sure to say hello!

Will do- hopefully I'll be able to stick with you guys!

BeepBeep67

Blarney92 wrote: »

Will do- hopefully I'll be able to stick with you guys!

It will be a stroll in the park

sgarvan

Out of the race with an injury. Disappointed

rob w

belcarra wrote: »

I'll be pacing 1:40 with Marthastew's OH and Beepbeep. Be sure to say hello!

Might try and stick with you guys too.....would love a 1:40 this year. Hopefully I wont trail too far behind!

digger2d2

rob w wrote: »

Might try and stick with you guys too.....would love a 1:40 this year. Hopefully I wont trail too far behind!

If you struggle the 1.50's will give you a kick up the ar5e

laura_ac3

sgarvan wrote: »

Out of the race with an injury. Disappointed

Sorry to hear that sgarvan. Hope it's nothing too serious and you're back training and racing again soon

stmochtas

menoscemo wrote: »

Pacers are 1:30, 1:40, 1:50 and 2 hours.

Shame I thought there might be a 1:45 pace group.

bman

belcarra wrote: »

I'll be pacing 1:40 with Marthastew's OH and Beepbeep. Be sure to say hello!

I am hoping for sub 1:40 so might try to stick with you guys too. How does pacing work? (I'm a bit of a running event noob) Will you go at a constant pace for the whole race? Or will you be doing splits to suit the course (i.e. quicker on the flats / downhills to leave extra leeway on the uphills)?

belcarra

bman wrote: »

I am hoping for sub 1:40 so might try to stick with you guys too. How does pacing work? (I'm a bit of a running event noob) Will you go at a constant pace for the whole race? Or will you be doing splits to suit the course (i.e. quicker on the flats / downhills to leave extra leeway on the uphills)?

The more the merrier!
I believe the official word is even splits, however we'll do a more detailed course analysis closer to the event and will probably have a few seconds banked from down Chesterfield to make the hillier final miles a little more manageable.
Stay tuned and we'll see you right!

bman

belcarra wrote: »

The more the merrier!
I believe the official word is even splits, however we'll do a more detailed course analysis closer to the event and will probably have a few seconds banked from down Chesterfield to make the hillier final miles a little more manageable.
Stay tuned and we'll see you right!

Cheers. Will keep an eye on this thread and hopefully manage my first sub 1:40 on the day

Bulmers74

What's the course like in around Farmleigh for the 5th & 6th mile? Is it uphill, downhill or level? I've a fair idea of the rest of the course from the 10 mile race. Cheers

overpronator

Who might the 1:30 pacers be?

Kurt Godel

1:30
KielyUnusual
blockic
roro2

1:40
Beepbeep
MrMarthaStew
Belcarra

1:50
MarthaStew
Menoscemo
digger2d2

2:00
Izoard
PaulieC
40whit

BarneyJ

Has anyone received their number in the post for the HM yet? I was expecting to have received it by now. I suppose there is still 2 weeks to go.

thewolf_ie

I got mine with the Frank Duffy one.

crisco10

thewolf_ie wrote: »

I got mine with the Frank Duffy one.

I didn't. :-( Just a note saying it will be in the post 10 days before the HM.

kit3

BarneyJ wrote: »

Has anyone received their number in the post for the HM yet? I was expecting to have received it by now. I suppose there is still 2 weeks to go.

Closing date for the half is 13th September so presume the numbers won't be posted until then ?

chinguetti

Scrub that question, i found it.

Hippy Chick

Looking for some advice guys:

A real newbie to running here, (well started in March 2013) please be patient with me !!. I quickly got hooked, and started to run three times a week.

Signed up for the Dublin HM, and have been training towards this goal.

Had been running up to 15km on long runs and two weeks ago when things were going really well, did a 20km run..........big mistake :mad:

I did have niggly pains in my knees and pain on the outside of my left knee also prior to this. But of course put it down to increased mileage and something that goes with the teritory :rolleyes:

I now have what I suspect is IT band syndrome.....can run fine for about 3km before the pain on my outer left knee starts. Can manage untill about 10km, and then cannot take another step with the intense pain. That was what happened while running this Monday & Thursday.

I havent run on it since. Have been doing all the IT band stretches, and foam rolling, elevation etc.. Was swimming today with no problems and pain has completely gone....Untill I start to run I guess

So what do I do now ?? I really have no clue ??

• Do I continue with the rest / stretches etc. and try the HM on the day and hope for the best?
• Do I have another go at running before then to see if its better, risking further damage?
• Do I start to come to terms that I may have to sit this one out?

I know I can get an IT band strap, will this even help? I dont want to give up if I can find the right way to be ready to do this HM in less than two weeks.......but I dont want to be stupid either

Any advice at all would be very welcome....I sure as hell need it

belcarra

Hippy Chick wrote: »

Looking for some advice guys:

A real newbie to running here, (well started in March 2013) please be patient with me !!. I quickly got hooked, and started to run three times a week.

Signed up for the Dublin HM, and have been training towards this goal.

Had been running up to 15km on long runs and two weeks ago when things were going really well, did a 20km run..........big mistake :mad:

I did have niggly pains in my knees and pain on the outside of my left knee also prior to this. But of course put it down to increased mileage and something that goes with the teritory :rolleyes:

I now have what I suspect is IT band syndrome.....can run fine for about 3km before the pain on my outer left knee starts. Can manage untill about 10km, and then cannot take another step with the intense pain. That was what happened while running this Monday & Thursday.

I havent run on it since. Have been doing all the IT band stretches, and foam rolling, elevation etc.. Was swimming today with no problems and pain has completely gone....Untill I start to run I guess

So what do I do now ?? I really have no clue ??

• Do I continue with the rest / stretches etc. and try the HM on the day and hope for the best?
• Do I have another go at running before then to see if its better, risking further damage?
• Do I start to come to terms that I may have to sit this one out?

I know I can get an IT band strap, will this even help? I dont want to give up if I can find the right way to be ready to do this HM in less than two weeks.......but I dont want to be stupid either

Any advice at all would be very welcome....I sure as hell need it

Have you been recommended your current shoes by a specialist running store? If not I'd get a gait analysis done at somewhere like amphibian king or similar.

When I started running I had a similar issue and physio/orthotics/dry needling all did nothing for me but when I got advised to change my shoes (to Kayanos) the injury just disappeared!

You might be in the wrong shoes too and it might have taken the long run to point it out. Get the gait analysis done and if that says your shoes are suitable then perhaps visit a physio.

Hippy Chick

Thanks so much for your reply.

I had the gait analysis done in Lifestyle (is that sufficient?). I do overpronate on my left foot slightly.
I too have the Kayanos, even though they said I didn't necessarily need that level of support ...... I just loved the colour (told ya I was a newbie !)

My left hip clicks when I do yoga, no pain or problem or anything. Funny all this happening on the same side, maybe related.....I dunno.

Was hoping not to have to go physio, (time and finances).....was rather hoping you good people here would just sort me out??

Any more ideas.......gettin desperate here??

blockic

Hippy Chick wrote: »

Thanks so much for your reply.

I had the gait analysis done in Lifestyle (is that sufficient?). I do overpronate on my left foot slightly.
I too have the Kayanos, even though they said I didn't necessarily need that level of support ...... I just loved the colour (told ya I was a newbie !)

My left hip clicks when I do yoga, no pain or problem or anything. Funny all this happening on the same side, maybe related.....I dunno.

Was hoping not to have to go physio, (time and finances).....was rather hoping you good people here would just sort me out??

Any more ideas.......gettin desperate here??

Really I think you'll need to visit a physio. You could try loads of stuff but could end up pi55ing against the wind and do further damage.

Vico1612

Hippy Chick wrote: »

Thanks so much for your reply.

I had the gait analysis done in Lifestyle (is that sufficient?). I do overpronate on my left foot slightly.
I too have the Kayanos, even though they said I didn't necessarily need that level of support ...... I just loved the colour (told ya I was a newbie !)

My left hip clicks when I do yoga, no pain or problem or anything. Funny all this happening on the same side, maybe related.....I dunno.

Was hoping not to have to go physio, (time and finances).....was rather hoping you good people here would just sort me out??

Any more ideas.......gettin desperate here??

I would still recommend going to a physio ....
If you're having problems with your IT Band, the strap thing won't help [ well it didn't in my case ] so that was money well wasted ...
In my case, it was too much too soon ...
The physio worked his magic on my legs and hips , fixed the problem and I then got correct shoes after a gait analysis. That was in February this year and haven't had any issues since, despite the high marathon training mileage .

Good luck !

RubyK

Def see a physio. It could be just something very small that needs a physios touch.

Hippy Chick wrote: »

I had the gait analysis done in Lifestyle (is that sufficient?). I do overpronate on my left foot slightly.
I too have the Kayanos, even though they said I didn't necessarily need that level of support ...... I just loved the colour (told ya I was a newbie !)

Don't think the Kayanos are doing you any favours. They are for quite severe over-pronators. They are also quite heavy in comparisson to other runners. I went from Kayanos to Mizunos and the difference was unreal. My physio felt that the Kayanos were contributing to lower back pain I was getting, due to their weight.

Hippy Chick

Thanks all for your advice...

Just back from Physio appointment, and turns out my 'slight' overpronation is more like very severe !!

Yep its an IT band issue alright. Did some dry needleing....OMG the pain. Moving the needle about was like being stabbed through a nerve. Jeeze Im not a lightweight when it comes to pain, but I couldnt go through even a few minutes of that pain !!

So have to stretch / ice and roll, she will tape me up and give me an IT band and do a trial run. If all goes well and pain free I can do the HM, Yay.

Although with a week of rest I was quite getting used to lazing about, with so much extra time on my hands it has been great ! So thanks again guys for your advice, this certainly wouldnt have got better by itself. So on the 21st if you see a girl limping along with an IT band and strapped knees...........be sure to say 'hi' !!!

Cardex

I haven't killed myself with training for this one but am reasonably confident that I'll finish it in a half way decent time. For the last two weeks I've upped my mileage to 7 miles for midweek runs and a 10 mile at the weekend. Can anyone suggest what type of runs I should do from today through to next Wednesday (on the basis that I don't do anything Thursday or Friday of next week). I had been thinking that I should really get another 10 mile in but am conscious that I might be better off with shorter runs. Thanks in advance.

adrian522

I plan on doing a long run on Sunday, nothing Monday and maybe 3 miles tempo on Tuesday, 3 miles again on Wednesday (Easy pace with some strides) and then not much at all Thursday or Friday, maybe a spin on the bike for a few miles.

I'm far from an expert though as this is my first half.

DonKing

Does anyone know where the 1:50 pacers will position themselves?

Kurt Godel

DonKing wrote: »

Does anyone know where the 1:50 pacers will position themselves?

I think the wave starts are (1) sub 100 minutes (2) 100 to 120 minutes (3) over 120 minutes.
The 1.30 pacers are close to the front of the first wave. The 1.40 pacers will be at the very front of the second wave with the 1.50 pacers in the middle of the second wave. 2.00 pacers will lead out the third wave. They will have backpacks with large flags (number 1:30, 1:40, etc), position yourself close to them at the start and keep them in sight around the course. Their brief is to run steady miles throughout, and finish <30 seconds before their flag time.

menoscemo

This is getting close now so let's discuss the important issue: Post-Run Pints!!

There'll be a few people meeting up as usual in Ryans of Parkgate street (directly opposite where you get the shuttle buses to/from the race). All welcome to join. They do some nice food there too for anyone not drinking....

adrian522

Do they do food for people who are drinking?

menoscemo

adrian522 wrote: »

Do they do food for people who are drinking?

No; just stick to the guinness and kill 2 birds with one stone.
Eating is cheating :pac:

MackieAttackie

Hey folks, has anyone else not yet received their race number for Saturday? I entered on the 6th Sept and got the confirmation email saying they'd send it out about 10 days beforehand, but still no sign...

Fraggle00

If it's anything like the Frank Duffy, I wouldn't worry too much. I realized that I'd forgotten my number when it was too late to go back for it and the ladies at the help stand just issued me a new one after giving me a good slagging off for being stupid.