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Your quality of life

  • 20-08-2013 7:45am
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    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 772 ✭✭✭


    For all the people here living abroad (which is probably most of you), what's your quality of life like where you are? What things do you have/do that you never could back home? What stuff do you miss or lack? Do you get homesick?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,754 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Caonima wrote: »
    For all the people here living abroad (which is probably most of you), what's your quality of life like where you are? What things do you have/do that you never could back home? What stuff do you miss or lack? Do you get homesick?

    What can I do? Go out, get drunk have a great time and come hope for less than 20 euro. It's cheap here (Berlin) and the publci trasnport - especially at night - is excellent. There's also far more variety than than there is in Dublin, in terms of places to go, even different bars.

    What do I miss? Not much, to be honest. Beaches - actual beaches, not just artifical ones on lakes. I wold add tea, but I get that sent over.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 772 ✭✭✭Caonima


    Some friends have spent time in Berlin, too, and they said it's great. One friend mentioned a wine bar where you rent a glass for a few quid and then can drink as much as you like, and leave a tip before you leave. Something like the Winery or something was the name.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭keithclancy


    Caonima wrote: »
    For all the people here living abroad (which is probably most of you), what's your quality of life like where you are? What things do you have/do that you never could back home? What stuff do you miss or lack? Do you get homesick?

    What I like about here:
    Quality of life is good
    Public Transport is excellent, getting to pretty much anywhere in the country is possible.
    Healthcare is good
    Services and Public Amenities are well maintained (Parks/Public spaces)
    Roads are excellent (actually I would say the Dutch Road network is better than the German one)
    Belgium is cycling distance and cycling places without getting run down is possible.
    High Speed and Sleeper trains are possible to other parts of Continental Europe.
    I could theoretically get to London by train (although Ryanair is way cheaper)
    The beer is better (Belgian/Dutch/German)
    Toilets are always clean, I swear I don't understand how a lot of toilets in Ireland are always in such a state.
    Some good theme parks (De Efteling)
    Have gone to Amsterdam a few times and rented a self drive boat, thinking of getting a boat now to store at a canal near our house
    You can bring your dog everywhere, on the train, bars, cafes. Only place you can't bring a dog is the supermarket or motorway petrol stations.
    The Dutch approach to things, e.g. even though ecstasy is illegal and I don't partake myself you can bring it to a place in the City to have it tested and make sure it won't do you harm.

    What I miss about Ireland:
    Cheese
    Hills
    A decent chipper
    Family/Friends


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭keithclancy


    Caonima wrote: »
    Some friends have spent time in Berlin, too, and they said it's great. One friend mentioned a wine bar where you rent a glass for a few quid and then can drink as much as you like, and leave a tip before you leave. Something like the Winery or something was the name.

    Yeh, i've been to that place .. its not worth it to be honest, the wine isn't great and its a bit up its own hole, I'd say you could probably buy a bottle in Rewe for 3/4 euros.

    The "pay what you think its worth" is actually pay around 5 euros per (tiny) glass, which is in no way worth it.

    Theres a few tapas bars around Berlin with much better and cheaper wine and for less money.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,754 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Yeh, i've been to that place .. its not worth it to be honest, the wine isn't great and its a bit up its own hole, I'd say you could probably buy a bottle in Rewe for 3/4 euros.

    The "pay what you think its worth" is actually pay around 5 euros per (tiny) glass, which is in no way worth it.

    Theres a few tapas bars around Berlin with much better and cheaper wine and for less money.

    Yeah, the idea kinda gto ruined a bit by freeloaders and rude staff complaining to the freeloaders (and not always getting the right person).

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,212 ✭✭✭✭Tom Dunne


    Caonima wrote: »
    For all the people here living abroad (which is probably most of you), what's your quality of life like where you are? What things do you have/do that you never could back home? What stuff do you miss or lack? Do you get homesick?

    For me, living in the Middle East, the running joke was that the only thing I could not get from home was Clonakilty black pudding. Imagine my surprise a few months back when it appeared in my local shop.

    I am lucky in so far as my shopping trolley here is pretty much identical to what I get back home, though somewhat cheaper. So I don't long for any of the little luxuries from Ireland. Beer/wine/spirits are also readily available, with a pint in my local actually being cheaper than Dublin at 4.80 Euro. Still doesn't make sense to me.

    In terms of quality of life, it most definitely is better than back home. Little things like getting up to a blue sky every single morning (well, apart from about the 5 days a year it rains) really does make a difference. I'm usually in the pool by 6:10am, at my desk by 7:30am and home from work at 4:00pm, leaving plenty of family time in the evening.

    Of course there are challenges living and working in a Muslim country, but nothing near what you might expect - the locals are extremely good to us in so many ways and very friendly. I have been able to do a number of things here that I would simply not have been able had I not made the move from Ireland, including self-funding my PhD, getting the educational institute I work in on the international map, and exploring some potential business opportunities that I would never have seen myself doing in Ireland.

    There are pros and cons of living abroad. Thankfully, right now, the pros are outweighing the cons.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 772 ✭✭✭Caonima


    So what stuff makes ye homesick, and what sort of stuff can you avail of there that you couldn't get back home?

    E.g. I've got a housekeeper who comes every weekend and cleans up. Didn't need her, but after I got her I've turned into a lazy sod.
    Can afford to take a lot of extra education here (just started a second degree by distance, and got Cambridge awards previously).
    Can go out for dinner a few nights of the week.

    Stuff that makes me homesick: Watching the RTE news, Love/Hate (which is mad, because it's all about chavs), reading Boards...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,264 ✭✭✭✭jester77


    What I like:

    Quality of Life
    Nice weather in the Summer
    People don't begrudge your success
    Great Healthcare
    Great Public transport, haven't needed a car in 15 years
    Great beer selection
    Being able to go out for the night, have a meal, drinks and entertainment for less than €30.
    Everything does not revolve around the pub
    Pubs are open all day/night if you want
    Turkish kebaps
    North Sea, Copenhagen and Amsterdam are only a short trip away
    Dublin is only 90 mins away

    What I lack/miss:
    Honestly can't think of much, playing GAA would be the only thing but I would be too old now anyway.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 11,139 Mod ✭✭✭✭Mr. Manager


    Caonima wrote: »
    For all the people here living abroad (which is probably most of you), what's your quality of life like where you are? What things do you have/do that you never could back home? What stuff do you miss or lack? Do you get homesick?

    Been living in Malta for just over 19 months now and can honestly say my life is much better off here. Losing my job in Dublin was one of the best things to happen to me.

    One of the best things here is the summer. It goes on for months. From May through till the end of September which means we can do everything outdoors. BBQ, snorkel, dive, swim in our pool, walk the dogs in the evening. Even little things like hanging clothes out to dry and not having to worry about rain for 5 months of the year.

    I've never once been homesick. Not sure why but since leaving Ireland I've kind of grown a small hatred for the place. Where I live there is no crime. Literally none. Nothing. It's the safest place I've know. No matter what time of day or where we go there is never an issue of being unsafe. It's hard to explain but it's one of the best feelings being here. Never really thought too much about it tbh. Just figured everywhere was like Dublin in some ways with crime. Not here though.

    Having said all that, there is a few things I miss back home. 24 hour shops, knowing where everything is :pac:, not being looked at as a tourist. Galtee rashers and sausages though top the list. Along with black and white pudding!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 772 ✭✭✭Caonima


    I have a friend who lives in Malta, married to some Danish girl now, I think. He said, last time I was talking to him, that Malta was great. Lots to do, relaxed atmos, nice people. Said he couldn't face going back to Dublin again.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,212 ✭✭✭✭Tom Dunne


    Where I live there is no crime. Literally none. Nothing. It's the safest place I've know. No matter what time of day or where we go there is never an issue of being unsafe. It's hard to explain but it's one of the best feelings being here. Never really thought too much about it tbh. Just figured everywhere was like Dublin in some ways with crime. Not here though.

    Actually, crime, that's another plus of living here. This is an example I always give of how safe it is here:

    Every morning, I drop in to my local Costa Coffee for the morning caffeine fix. Because petrol is so cheap here, and because it is so hot here, it makes sense to leave the engine running in the car and the air conditioning on. Not only that, but I can also leave my iPhone on the seat, along with the laptop bag, never once for a moment in fear of any of it being stolen.

    And no, they don't chop of hands or anything like that for crime here, it's just a mutual respect for other people's property that is so sadly lacking in Ireland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,264 ✭✭✭✭jester77


    Tom Dunne wrote: »
    Actually, crime, that's another plus of living here. This is an example I always give of how safe it is here:

    Every morning, I drop in to my local Costa Coffee for the morning caffeine fix. Because petrol is so cheap here, and because it is so hot here, it makes sense to leave the engine running in the car and the air conditioning on. Not only that, but I can also leave my iPhone on the seat, along with the laptop bag, never once for a moment in fear of any of it being stolen.

    And no, they don't chop of hands or anything like that for crime here, it's just a mutual respect for other people's property that is so sadly lacking in Ireland.

    That's something I've taken for granted here as well. There are no scumbags hanging around giving people hassle or trying to bum a cigarette. People leave their convertibles down when they park, no fear of damage or theft. We have a city bike scheme and the bikes don't get stolen or damaged, public transport is respected and you rarely ever see anyone getting caught without a ticket, all around it's just mainly a nice atmosphere. There has been an uptake in Roma gypsys annoying people during the Summer, but they seem to have disappeared again in the last few weeks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭keithclancy


    Caonima wrote: »

    Stuff that makes me homesick: Watching the RTE news, Love/Hate (which is mad, because it's all about chavs), reading Boards...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,688 ✭✭✭zweton


    Tom Dunne wrote: »
    Actually, crime, that's another plus of living here. This is an example I always give of how safe it is here:

    Every morning, I drop in to my local Costa Coffee for the morning caffeine fix. Because petrol is so cheap here, and because it is so hot here, it makes sense to leave the engine running in the car and the air conditioning on. Not only that, but I can also leave my iPhone on the seat, along with the laptop bag, never once for a moment in fear of any of it being stolen.

    And no, they don't chop of hands or anything like that for crime here, it's just a mutual respect for other people's property that is so sadly lacking in Ireland.

    Where are you living Tom if you dont mind me asking? It sounds nice.
    Im mad to get out of here but dont have a language. I work in i.t, have a few years exp and my degree if that counts for anything. I have often thought about germany too but i have no german!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,863 ✭✭✭seachto7


    Going back to uni for a year in a few weeks, and mad to get out of here for a few years. I have French, Italian, and will have basic Spanish. Pity all 3 countries are as bad as Ireland!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 772 ✭✭✭Caonima



    Muchas gracias, senor :D

    But don't worry, the RTE player still works in China... but Facebook doesn't. Had a proxy server service for a while, but I really don't miss Facebook, so I gave it up. Youtube on the other hand... I miss that...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 My_Sharona


    Caonima wrote: »
    Muchas gracias, senor :D

    But don't worry, the RTE player still works in China... but Facebook doesn't. Had a proxy server service for a while, but I really don't miss Facebook, so I gave it up. Youtube on the other hand... I miss that...

    Youku is the Chinese version of YouTube - it has a lot of the same videos.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭keithclancy


    Caonima wrote: »
    Muchas gracias, senor :D

    But don't worry, the RTE player still works in China... but Facebook doesn't. Had a proxy server service for a while, but I really don't miss Facebook, so I gave it up. Youtube on the other hand... I miss that...

    RTE Player works everywhere ... its just theres more stuff on it when you have an Irish IP Address :)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 772 ✭✭✭Caonima


    My_Sharona wrote: »
    Youku is the Chinese version of YouTube - it has a lot of the same videos.

    And Tudou, and Sina.... if you can get past all the ads :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,772 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Living in Finland. Super quality of life. Great job, great working conditions. Nice apartment which is affordable. Walk to work, bike to other office. Don't need a car. Childcare and education here is top class if you were thinking that way. Everything is just really well organised and set up.

    I miss the people at home, and horses and will probably return but it aint bad here at all.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 772 ✭✭✭Caonima


    So what happens in the future? Are you all waiting for a specified or specific time to return home, or are you out of Ireland for good?


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 11,139 Mod ✭✭✭✭Mr. Manager


    Caonima wrote: »
    So what happens in the future? Are you all waiting for a specified or specific time to return home, or are you out of Ireland for good?

    Personally, I'm done with Ireland. There's nothing back home that's better than here.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭iusedtoknow


    Caonima wrote: »
    For all the people here living abroad (which is probably most of you), what's your quality of life like where you are? What things do you have/do that you never could back home? What stuff do you miss or lack? Do you get homesick?

    I've been out of Ireland close on 7 years now, really don't miss it at all. I originally moved for love, but have now left what was my "new" home in Spain for our own "new home" in the US for career reasons.

    Quality of life in Spain was so-so, I worked, my gf->wife studied and worked a bit. We were able to survive pretty well (lucked out in our living situation in Barcelona) but we could never get our savings above a certain level. Here we both work and can live and save, which makes us both happier.

    The US is great for a number of reasons, bad for a few but fundamentally we are better off here culturally and career wise than we would have been if we had moved "back" to Ireland.

    As for stuff that we want? well lyons gold blend is in at least 3 shops around our house, as are other things that I could want every so often. My wife goes to a spanish deli to get everything she needs (has an obsession with Colacao) as well as spices etc to make a paella on the rare warm and sunny days.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 772 ✭✭✭Caonima


    ...but we could never get our savings above a certain level. Here we both work and can live and save, which makes us both happier.

    You know what, Iusedtoknow, you've hit the nail on the head there in a certain way. Savings. It was impossible for me to do in Ireland [Dublin], but over here is easier. I don't go out any less, and still consume a fair whack of my disposable income, but I seem to be able to save easier.

    What's your secret?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭iusedtoknow


    Caonima wrote: »
    You know what, Iusedtoknow, you've hit the nail on the head there in a certain way. Savings. It was impossible for me to do in Ireland [Dublin], but over here is easier. I don't go out any less, and still consume a fair whack of my disposable income, but I seem to be able to save easier.

    What's your secret?

    Costs...aside from rent, life is pretty cheap and the salary pretty high. If we just looked after the basics of life (with no pissing around money) we'd still be able to save. With my wife's salary we are able to tuck away a good bit and still live a good life.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 772 ✭✭✭Caonima


    Costs...aside from rent, life is pretty cheap and the salary pretty high. If we just looked after the basics of life (with no pissing around money) we'd still be able to save. With my wife's salary we are able to tuck away a good bit and still live a good life.

    May I ask what yourself and your wife work at?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭iusedtoknow


    She is doing her residency in Internal Medicine at a hospital here in San Francisco


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 772 ✭✭✭Caonima


    She is doing her residency in Internal Medicine at a hospital here in San Francisco

    Nice, bit of cash floating around there.

    My wife and I are mixed - I'm a professor and my wife is a nurse. She doesn't earn nearly as much as me but I force her to save as much as she can. Sadly, China is overtaken with an internet shopping phenomenon...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭iusedtoknow


    Caonima wrote: »
    Nice, bit of cash floating around there.

    My wife and I are mixed - I'm a professor and my wife is a nurse. She doesn't earn nearly as much as me but I force her to save as much as she can. Sadly, China is overtaken with an internet shopping phenomenon...

    HA! She had to pay a crap load of cash to get her medical transcripts over here and then take an expensive exam to get into the residency program and her license.

    Her hourly rate is crap when you account for the fact that she often works unpaid to fill in the holes for patient care, also they get no night pay.
    Not that she minds, she's committed and loves her job and what she's learning.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,169 ✭✭✭denhaagenite


    It's mostly family and food that I miss, however with us all being a bit scattered in terms of geography I am aware that I probably have a rose- tinted view of the reality should we live in Ireland. I also miss the countryside and the beaches. We're not going to rule out moving anywhere else in the future, as we have ended up in Eindhoven by accident after all, but I doubt it will be Ireland.

    The thing I love the most about being away is the genuine sense of community that we feel here. It is something that I always wanted and strived for in Ireland, but could never achieve. When I'm in Ireland, it always strikes me as being something that is talked about but never realised. In my experience, alot of people are out for themselves and that families and communities are not really important to the majority, even though they claim that this is the case. When we left, it was "out of sight, out of mind" for alot of people we know at home. If we don't manage to get to everyone when we're in Ireland, some can get very bitter even though they've made no effort to get to us, in Ireland or God forbid they should have to come to NL.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,212 ✭✭✭✭Tom Dunne


    zweton wrote: »
    Where are you living Tom if you dont mind me asking? It sounds nice.
    Im mad to get out of here but dont have a language. I work in i.t, have a few years exp and my degree if that counts for anything. I have often thought about germany too but i have no german!

    I'm in Bahrain.

    However, the IT market is very different here. Basically my advice would be to forget about it.

    My background is Oracle databases and I recently was told about a DBA job that would command a fairly decent salary in Ireland, but paid 12,000 Euro, yes 12000 Euro, a year here. You are "competing" with cheap Asian labour that would work for that amount.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 772 ✭✭✭Caonima


    Tom Dunne wrote: »
    You are "competing" with cheap Asian labour that would work for that amount.

    For the time being, yep. Rough going.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭scobysnacks


    How is the job situation in the Netherlands at the moment?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 108 ✭✭baker59


    I live in Paris.
    Before I start what may come off as a rant about how bad it is here, I want to say it is a cracking city and I'm loving living here.

    Working as a IT developer. Initially came for love. Was also an easy decision as I wasn't up to much back home.
    I slightly envy some of the posts I've read on this thread.
    Paris isn't cheaper,
    accommadation cost is ridiculous for what you get for your money,
    pints can range from e5-e8 unless you know somewhere. Granted best I've seen is e2.80 for Carling from 5pm-12am which isn't bad.
    wages are about the same,
    Dublin is safer... a lot safer sometimes,
    I'm not fluent in French but I know that's my problem/fault,
    miss family & friends definitely although I text at least a few friends/family each day.
    Miss hot chicken rolls..... proper cuisine de France :p
    Missed RTE sports analysis but that has been aided by an earlier post (thank you sir)
    Do get homesick but then I think that some people I know are on the other side of the world so I'm lucky I'm close to home.
    I miss English speaker's humour sometimes.
    I have a 2 hour lunch break, it's ridiculous. Can't shorten it and go home earlier.
    I miss easy administration. Got my social security number after a year and a half. There are other stuff I need to get (health card for example) which to most expats are seen as the unreachable.
    Love the rugby culture here (although in Southern France it is even better)

    And in case any of you were wondering, most Parisians are lovely, just don't get in their way during rush hour. Rush hour is horrible here.
    People from outside of Paris are even nicer.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 772 ✭✭✭Caonima


    baker59 wrote: »
    Rush hour is horrible here.

    I hear that. Here, too.
    baker59 wrote: »
    Dublin is safer... a lot safer sometimes

    I've heard this said about Paris. Can you give some examples?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 86 ✭✭con1421


    Living in New Jersey since May. Standard of living is good. Good job/money/house/hot weather
    I do miss the Dublin banter specially town on a Friday night. Just the bus journey into town

    But don't miss too much as I'm settled over here now.I do miss Supermax :-p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭iusedtoknow


    baker59 wrote: »
    pints can range from e5-e8 unless you know somewhere. Granted best I've seen is e2.80 for Carling from 5pm-12am which isn't bad.
    wages are about the same,

    I miss easy administration. Got my social security number after a year and a half. There are other stuff I need to get (health card for example) which to most expats are seen as the unreachable.

    Why drink pints? I eventually followed suit in Spain and drank their volumes (caña etc)...it worked out cheaper. The only time i drank pints was if i was watching a match in the irish pub. Otherwise I was in Spanish bars drinking Spanish volumes.

    As for admin...spain was the same, you always needed triplicate of everything, and usually the one paper you needed was the one you didn't have :)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 772 ✭✭✭Caonima


    con1421 wrote: »
    Living in New Jersey since May. Standard of living is good. Good job/money/house/hot weather
    I do miss the Dublin banter specially town on a Friday night. Just the bus journey into town

    But don't miss too much as I'm settled over here now.I do miss Supermax :-p

    Good lord, I lived in NJ before, kinda halfway between NYC and Philadelphia/Trenton. You'd think that was good, but Jersey itself is so boring.

    What do you do there?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,863 ✭✭✭seachto7


    Would be interested to hear from someone living in France, but not in Paris, or Milan or Turin to see what their experiences are.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 108 ✭✭baker59


    Caonima wrote: »
    I've heard this said about Paris. Can you give some examples?
    It's mostly small theft.
    I've been robbed once but it was slightly my niavity. Got drunk and fell asleep on public transport. I've seen that almost happen to a French guy on a nightbus until he realised a few other people were watching him.

    A friend has been robbed 3 times and another twice. 4 out of 5 of those occasions were at night. 1 out of 5 was because drink made them vunerable and 2 involved receiving punches by more than one person.

    I've had a hand in my pocket, and only realised it was there when he removed it, luckily there was nothing in the pocket.
    Twice I've seen people pull knives, thankfully not used.
    Out in Bastille one night, my girlfriend was a few paces ahead of me while I was texting, a creep came up and starting annoying her because she was on her own. When I eventually noticed and he saw me just being there, he walked away.
    I'm 6'3, I'm fine but girls can have an awful time depending on where they are or where they live, especially blond girls. My girlfriend's sister had to go home straight away after work because if she went for after work drinks or dinner and went home later with her laptop, she'd feel very unsafe. She didn't live in the nicest area.

    In general there is a bad tense atmosphere in some areas and some metro lines. There is a racial issue also which increases that atmosphere. Some people would say it's the cause.

    In Dublin, you would be unfortunate to get a dig but that's it. I think it's the atmosphere in the city (not the suburbs) that can seem intimidating to some people here.

    Anyway, I'm sure there are worse cities, Paris isn't too bad, but Dublin is safer.
    Why drink pints? I eventually followed suit in Spain and drank their volumes (caña etc)...it worked out cheaper.
    Most places here, the pints are cheaper than 2 halves. If it's the same price, I'll go for 2 halves if it's a hot day or if I couldn't be bothered with a pint of crap beer.


    Speaking of beers..... one thing I miss from home.... the concept of rounds :)


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 772 ✭✭✭Caonima


    baker59 wrote: »
    It's mostly small theft.
    I've been robbed once but it was slightly my niavity. Got drunk and fell asleep on public transport. I've seen that almost happen to a French guy on a nightbus until he realised a few other people were watching him.

    A friend has been robbed 3 times and another twice. 4 out of 5 of those occasions were at night. 1 out of 5 was because drink made them vunerable and 2 involved receiving punches by more than one person.

    I've had a hand in my pocket, and only realised it was there when he removed it, luckily there was nothing in the pocket.
    Twice I've seen people pull knives, thankfully not used.
    Out in Bastille one night, my girlfriend was a few paces ahead of me while I was texting, a creep came up and starting annoying her because she was on her own. When I eventually noticed and he saw me just being there, he walked away.
    I'm 6'3, I'm fine but girls can have an awful time depending on where they are or where they live, especially blond girls. My girlfriend's sister had to go home straight away after work because if she went for after work drinks or dinner and went home later with her laptop, she'd feel very unsafe. She didn't live in the nicest area.

    In general there is a bad tense atmosphere in some areas and some metro lines. There is a racial issue also which increases that atmosphere. Some people would say it's the cause.

    In Dublin, you would be unfortunate to get a dig but that's it. I think it's the atmosphere in the city (not the suburbs) that can seem intimidating to some people here.

    Anyway, I'm sure there are worse cities, Paris isn't too bad, but Dublin is safer.


    Most places here, the pints are cheaper than 2 halves. If it's the same price, I'll go for 2 halves if it's a hot day or if I couldn't be bothered with a pint of crap beer.


    Speaking of beers..... one thing I miss from home.... the concept of rounds :)

    Knives and racial tension.... great combination.

    Yeah, people in Dublin don't really have too much to argue about - like you said, the most you'd get in Dublin is a dig, but most skangs are built like sticks so they're hardly formidable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 729 ✭✭✭scruff321


    baker59 wrote: »
    It's mostly small theft.
    I've been robbed once but it was slightly my niavity. Got drunk and fell asleep on public transport. I've seen that almost happen to a French guy on a nightbus until he realised a few other people were watching him.

    A friend has been robbed 3 times and another twice. 4 out of 5 of those occasions were at night. 1 out of 5 was because drink made them vunerable and 2 involved receiving punches by more than one person.

    I've had a hand in my pocket, and only realised it was there when he removed it, luckily there was nothing in the pocket.
    Twice I've seen people pull knives, thankfully not used.
    Out in Bastille one night, my girlfriend was a few paces ahead of me while I was texting, a creep came up and starting annoying her because she was on her own. When I eventually noticed and he saw me just being there, he walked away.
    I'm 6'3, I'm fine but girls can have an awful time depending on where they are or where they live, especially blond girls. My girlfriend's sister had to go home straight away after work because if she went for after work drinks or dinner and went home later with her laptop, she'd feel very unsafe. She didn't live in the nicest area.

    In general there is a bad tense atmosphere in some areas and some metro lines. There is a racial issue also which increases that atmosphere. Some people would say it's the cause.

    In Dublin, you would be unfortunate to get a dig but that's it. I think it's the atmosphere in the city (not the suburbs) that can seem intimidating to some people here.

    Anyway, I'm sure there are worse cities, Paris isn't too bad, but Dublin is safer.


    Most places here, the pints are cheaper than 2 halves. If it's the same price, I'll go for 2 halves if it's a hot day or if I couldn't be bothered with a pint of crap beer.


    Speaking of beers..... one thing I miss from home.... the concept of rounds :)

    Amen brother!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,300 ✭✭✭✭razorblunt


    Edinburgh

    There's very little difference between here and home really:

    Bad
    Guinness is awful
    Castle gets in the way of travel time ;-)
    Fringe festival every August brings the lazy tourists
    Aer Lingus / Aer Aerann monopoly on the route to Cork

    Good
    Golf courses are abundant in the city and Midlothian regions, just over an hour drive to Gleneagles and St Andrews
    The people are great, really friendly and welcoming
    Great choice of beer in pubs (freehold), Cask Ales and Whiskey never stuck for choice
    Rent is cheaper
    Lots of Irish over here (students and professionals) so you never go that long without
    hearing an accent.
    6Nations in Murrayfield, especially vs England
    Great buzz in August for the fringe and December for the Xmas market
    Great public transport
    The Castle!!
    Plenty of work


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,732 ✭✭✭weisses


    It's mostly family and food that I miss, however with us all being a bit scattered in terms of geography I am aware that I probably have a rose- tinted view of the reality should we live in Ireland. I also miss the countryside and the beaches. We're not going to rule out moving anywhere else in the future, as we have ended up in Eindhoven by accident after all, but I doubt it will be Ireland.

    The thing I love the most about being away is the genuine sense of community that we feel here. It is something that I always wanted and strived for in Ireland, but could never achieve. When I'm in Ireland, it always strikes me as being something that is talked about but never realised. In my experience, alot of people are out for themselves and that families and communities are not really important to the majority, even though they claim that this is the case. When we left, it was "out of sight, out of mind" for alot of people we know at home. If we don't manage to get to everyone when we're in Ireland, some can get very bitter even though they've made no effort to get to us, in Ireland or God forbid they should have to come to NL.


    I could have typed exactly what you posted ....Except we moved from The Netherlands to Ireland, and never missed The netherlands ...funny


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 222 ✭✭haveabanana


    Anyone in Brussels? I'm moving there next week and would be curious to see how people find it as a place to live.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,169 ✭✭✭denhaagenite


    weisses wrote: »
    I could have typed exactly what you posted ....Except we moved from The Netherlands to Ireland, and never missed The netherlands ...funny

    Lol, have to say I am very partial to chocolade kruidenoten, oliebollen and warme wijn. It's mostly all the mayonnaise and derivatives of mayonnaise I can't take!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,081 ✭✭✭BKtje


    Don't know why I never saw this thread! Really interesting to see others opinions and experiences.

    Thought I'd add my experiences on living in Switzerland. I do miss things from Ireland (Minstrels, bacon etc), my family and friends but I can't see myself ever leaving without a very good reason (not finding work being the main one).

    The Good
    Wages. They are high. Working part time in a bar while finishing my studies I currently make about 21chf (17 euro)an hour AFTER tax and other deductions.

    A decent entry level (bachelor) wage is about 60k CHF (48k Euro) a year with most on about 80Kchf after a few years with it pretty much topping out at 120k a year unless you're very sought after. Many Swiss do apprenticeships which will earn you 4kchf a month and up once completed.
    Poverty (for a single male) is generally considered to be earning below 2100chf (1,700 euro) a month!

    Plenty to do. Just an unbelievably beautiful country. Hiking, mountain biking, motorbiking, lakes, rivers etc during the summer and skiing during the winter.

    Centre of Europe. 2 hours ish by car for me to get to Germany, Italy, France, Austria, Lichtenstein.

    Public transport. While being very expensive it runs pretty much like clockwork (they will hold a departing bus if a train is a few minutes late allowing you to catch your connection). Trains rarely more than a minute behind schedule though it's getting ever so slightly worse. City buses generally arrive on the dot.

    Road network. Top notch. Motorways everywhere but even the smaller national or regional roads are in perfect condition.

    General goods are only slightly more expensive than in Ireland (groceries, petrol etc) however luxury goods generally are more expensive. Electronics being the exception being relatively cheap.

    Alcohol. Alcohol is only slightly more expensive than Ireland. In my city its between 5 and 8chf a pint (4-6 euro) however in Geneva or Zurich you'll be paying closer to 10chf. Great selection of European bottled beer though you'll pay for the privilege. (8chf+)

    Cities are very clean, the whole country is for the most part. You'd be surprised to see things blowing about in the wind and cans or any rubbish lying around is quickly cleaned up by the authorities. Though cigarette buts are the exception. People will pick up litter and put it in a bin then throw their fag ends on the ground. I still can't get my head around it!

    Crime. The bigger cities have the EU average I think but in my small city it's alright. You still have to be careful with your stuff, don't leave it lying around in a bar (amazing how many people do anyway!) but that's it for the most part. It's on the rise though and mostly blamed on those pesky foreigners (eastern European mainly). Whether this is accurate or not I don't know.

    School system is extremely cheap. University fees are about 800chf (650 euro) per year I think. Foreigners pay only about 50chf per year more than locals.

    Festivals. There are large festivals like in any country but there are a tonne of smaller ones which are very cheap to attend. In Fribourg there is a Jazz festival every year in the central square with entry being about a fiver or a tenner (or free before 6pm). There are also highland games, smaller music festivals and food festivals etc. Every village seems to have their own!

    The Bad
    Meat. All meat is incredibly expensive, especially beef! :mad: I guess they used the majority of their cows for milk ;)

    Bureaucracy. So much bloody paperwork but it's all very efficient when you have all your papers in order ;)

    Health insurance costs. They are astronomical, probably why wages are so high as well. As a thirty year old on the absolute most basic package I pay over 2100chf a year. This is mandatory, though for low income people there are government subsidies.

    Opening hours. Most bars will close at 3am with late licences (number restricted) closing at about 6am. However all shops close early. 7pm mon-fri (with in my canton late night shopping till 9 on thursdays) and 4pm on saturdays. Shops closed sundays. Shops in the train stations generally outside the law ( ;)) and close at 10pm and open sundays.
    Most restaurants must close 2 days per week with many closing on the same bloody days (sun+mon).

    The people. The people (Swiss Germans) are quite reserved and may seem a little cold (to start with) but once you are "accepted" they can be incredibly generous and warm. The French and Italian Swiss are often much quicker to accept you but almost two thirds of the country are Swiss German (I think).

    The languages. There are three (well 4 but the 4th is like Irish) so if you switch city you may suddenly find yourself unable to communicate. Many Swiss learn English as a second/third language to enable them to communicate with their fellow countrymen from a different area. :cool:

    Foreigners. (! :D). 25% of the population are foreigners so it's a real melting pot of cultures and the all the associated problems this brings. (Though children born to foreigners in Switzerland are still considered foreign, ignoring this I think the "true" foreign population is about 12%.)

    The Ugly
    The Swiss can be incredibly racist and small minded at times, especially towards Arabs, Africans and Eastern Europeans. Probably due to the very different cultures.

    I'm sure I've missed out an absolute tonne of stuff but I guess you guys get the idea. If you're interested to learn more I'd highly recommend the book "Swiss Watching" written by an Englishman. Very informative and entertaining.

    Any questions then feel free to ask :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 172 ✭✭sinead88


    razorblunt wrote: »
    Edinburgh

    There's very little difference between here and home really:

    Bad
    Guinness is awful
    Castle gets in the way of travel time ;-)
    Fringe festival every August brings the lazy tourists
    Aer Lingus / Aer Aerann monopoly on the route to Cork

    Good
    Golf courses are abundant in the city and Midlothian regions, just over an hour drive to Gleneagles and St Andrews
    The people are great, really friendly and welcoming
    Great choice of beer in pubs (freehold), Cask Ales and Whiskey never stuck for choice
    Rent is cheaper
    Lots of Irish over here (students and professionals) so you never go that long without
    hearing an accent.
    6Nations in Murrayfield, especially vs England
    Great buzz in August for the fringe and December for the Xmas market
    Great public transport
    The Castle!!
    Plenty of work

    I live in Edinburgh too and I'd agree with all of this. I think the cost of living in general here is a bit cheaper than Ireland. Although the tourists in August are incredibly annoying, I'd say the benefits of the Fringe far outweigh the negatives.It's an absolutely beautiful city as well. Scottish people genuinely seem to love the Irish. I have people trying to imitate my accent almost every day, in a very friendly sort of way though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭iusedtoknow


    Moved to SF 1 year ago for work on L1a visa

    The Good
    The city: San Francisco is small, but perfectly formed. there is a lot going on pretty much everywhere, each area has its own personality and vibe.

    The people: very easy going and liberal, people tend to live and let live. Easy to get on with, and very international. No one ever comments on my accent as it's just one of many that people live come across every day

    The variety of food: Within 10 minutes walk of home I can get great Japanese, Chinese, vietnamese, korean, mexican, peruvian and persian. Not to mention great burgers and sandwiches

    The surrounding area: 15 minutes north is the goldengate bridge and every Marin county. Napa is an hour and a bit away, Route 1 is not far - Tahoe and skiing is a 4 hour drive

    The Bad:
    Homelessness:a lot of homeless people and people with mental issues living rough, not getting the help they need

    costs: my rent is more than I used to earn in Europe. Good quality organic meat is pretty expensive.

    It's a long way from Ireland if I need to get back quickly

    The ugly

    Healthcare, even though it's subsidized by my company is still 2400 a year. 2400 more than I used to pay in Ireland and Spain. It's good to have, but i hate paying for it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33 mannika


    Thought i'd give my two cents....

    Living in Dubai for the last few years,

    The Good;
    My salary is twice what it would be at home but my job doesn't exist there anymore (saying that my direct boss earns over twice what i do) tax free
    There is a great expat community
    Its a lot more liberal than people think.
    It costs 18e to fill my car.
    Friday all you can eat and drink brunches!
    Weather in winter is fantastic
    Great restaurants - best indian
    Being able to save and have a life
    More cultural than people expect and working hard to create awareness
    Great career opportunities
    Closer to home than Aus
    Cheaper car insurance and healthcare provided by work

    The bad;
    Rent is paid bi -annually or annually with post dated cheques, coming up with 6months rent, plus deposits is a nightmare.
    Rents are heading back up 2008 levels while salaries are not.
    Driving here is stressful, no one has respect for other road users and it makes even the calmest person aggressive
    Its not green...
    Summer is like in forced confinement indoors 45*+ outside
    Can be hard to make friends and when you do they leave... residents cannot naturalise so most people are here for short term gains
    No lennox's for chips...
    Saying yes when they mean No!!
    Road works and new building projects that never end
    Expensive hub, more expensive for a return dubai-dublin-dubai than vv, expensive to fly anywhere but Qatar!
    45 calenders maternity leave...
    Miss family and friends...

    The ugly
    The inequality...


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