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Am I Irish?

  • 18-08-2013 01:08PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36


    When i was reading this thread
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057015656
    I was surprised to see the attitudes of many posters towards Northern Ireland. I don't mean people not supporting a united Ireland as there are many arguments to be made against that,
    What surprised me was the posters who wanted nothing to do with the place or the people within it.
    Now being a Northern Irish nationalist I have always viewed myself as Irish, however I am curious as to how people in the Republic view people like myself.

    Do you think of us as Irish or quasi Irish? Do you have the same attitude to Nationalists and Unionists in the north?
    Do you wish we would just piss-off and leave you all alone?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombi!


    I think it's up to you TBH. Whatever you identify more with is what you are.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,293 ✭✭✭1ZRed


    I wouldn't care what you called yourself because I believe you're whatever you think yourself, whether that's identifying more with Ireland or the UK.

    I refer to everyone in the north as Northern Irish, and Irish in the republic, though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,153 ✭✭✭everdead.ie


    Derrydoc wrote: »
    When i was reading this thread
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057015656
    I was surprised to see the attitudes of many posters towards Northern Ireland. I don't mean people not supporting a united Ireland as there are many arguments to be made against that,
    What surprised me was the posters who wanted nothing to do with the place or the people within it.
    Now being a Northern Irish nationalist I have always viewed myself as Irish, however I am curious as to how people in the Republic view people like myself.

    Do you think of us as Irish or quasi Irish? Do you have the same attitude to Nationalists and Unionists in the north?
    Do you wish we would just piss-off and leave you all alone?
    Of course you are 100% no one can take that away from you.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭Sir Humphrey Appleby


    Derrydoc wrote: »
    When i was reading this thread
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057015656
    I was surprised to see the attitudes of many posters towards Northern Ireland. I don't mean people not supporting a united Ireland as there are many arguments to be made against that,
    What surprised me was the posters who wanted nothing to do with the place or the people within it.
    Now being a Northern Irish nationalist I have always viewed myself as Irish, however I am curious as to how people in the Republic view people like myself.

    Do you think of us as Irish or quasi Irish? Do you have the same attitude to Nationalists and Unionists in the north?
    Do you wish we would just piss-off and leave you all alone?

    You are entitled to Irish citizenship and/or UK citizenship , so its up to you.
    Obviously being born on the island of Ireland you are Irish, but being from Northern Ireland you might consider yourself Northern Irish.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,359 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Be anything you want just fuc k up about it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    For me "Irish" means a citizen of the Republic of Ireland.

    Unless you're a celebrity, in which case c'mon me Irish brother!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,381 ✭✭✭Doom


    Dad, am I Irish?.....Shut up and finish your Whiskey!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭Dostoevsky


    Derrydoc wrote: »
    When i was reading this thread
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057015656
    I was surprised to see the attitudes of many posters towards Northern Ireland. I don't mean people not supporting a united Ireland as there are many arguments to be made against that,
    What surprised me was the posters who wanted nothing to do with the place or the people within it.
    Now being a Northern Irish nationalist I have always viewed myself as Irish, however I am curious as to how people in the Republic view people like myself.

    Do you think of us as Irish or quasi Irish? Do you have the same attitude to Nationalists and Unionists in the north?
    Do you wish we would just piss-off and leave you all alone?

    Well, 300,000 Irish people are in Derry this weekend for the Fleadh Cheoil na hÉireann. I don't think any of those people would see Derry or its people as less Irish than, say, the towns or people in Sligo, Cavan or Clonmel. I certainly don't. Although I wouldn't equate Catholic with nationalist in the North and find in unionist-dominated areas there are far more "Roman Catholics" who are culturally British than Irish nationalists who are culturally more Irish.

    PS: Surely, you're an Irish nationalist living in the North, rather than a "Northern Irish nationalist" (which could make you a loyalist!). ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,815 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    I remember Ian Paisley saying Norn Iron cattle were Irish during the BSE scare.:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭Dostoevsky


    Seachmall wrote: »
    For me "Irish" means a citizen of the Republic of Ireland.

    So, Seán O'Neill of Tyrone is not Irish, but Seán O'Neill of Monaghan is Irish? Did any Irish people exist in Ireland before Independence for most of the country in December 1922?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    Derrydoc wrote: »
    When i was reading this thread
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057015656
    I was surprised to see the attitudes of many posters towards Northern Ireland. I don't mean people not supporting a united Ireland as there are many arguments to be made against that,
    What surprised me was the posters who wanted nothing to do with the place or the people within it.
    Now being a Northern Irish nationalist I have always viewed myself as Irish, however I am curious as to how people in the Republic view people like myself.

    Do you think of us as Irish or quasi Irish? Do you have the same attitude to Nationalists and Unionists in the north?
    Do you wish we would just piss-off and leave you all alone?

    No.
    Neither.
    Yes.
    Yes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    Dostoevsky wrote: »
    Did any Irish people exist in Ireland before Independence for most of the country in December 1922?

    No. Prior to December 1922 the only life in Ireland was purely hypothetical.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    No.
    Neither.
    Yes.
    Yes.

    Your eloquence and mastery of getting to the nub of a question is most excellent Father.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭Dostoevsky


    Seachmall wrote: »
    No. Prior to December 1922 the only life in Ireland was purely hypothetical.

    Stupid answer. You seem to be contending in this thread that Irish people who live under British rule in Ireland today are not Irish, but are British. Do you extend that to all the people of Ireland prior to 6 December 1922 when most of the country got independence from Britain? Did the Irish people exist then, or were they all British?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,477 ✭✭✭topcatcbr


    Derrydoc wrote: »
    When i was reading this thread
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057015656

    Do you think of us as Irish or quasi Irish? Do you have the same attitude to Nationalists and Unionists in the north?
    Do you wish we would just piss-off and leave you all alone?

    I for one don't think of you at all.

    I have lots of family from and living up north. They are from Ireland the part that belongs to the UK.

    Why would you care what we think. Live your life and get on with it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭Sir Humphrey Appleby


    Dostoevsky wrote: »
    So, Seán O'Neill of Tyrone is not Irish, but Seán O'Neill of Monaghan is Irish? Did any Irish people exist in Ireland before Independence for most of the country in December 1922?

    Of course both are Irish, being born on the Island of Ireland and equally entitled to Irish citizenship (that is technically, as i understand it citizenship of this state).
    However the Tyrone man has the option of choosing to define himself as Northern Irish, or even (somewhat inaccuratley, but we know what is meant) British.
    The tyrone man comes out on top, he has choices!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,339 ✭✭✭Artful_Badger


    To me your Irish as are everyone else in NI, if you're born and raised on the Isle of Ireland your Irish.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭Sir Humphrey Appleby


    Just checked whats left of my Bushmills, it says Irish Whiskey.:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    You're a Derry mucker.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,234 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    If you were born in Northern Ireland and live in NI then you are northern irish. If you were born in the 26 counties and live here then you are Irish. There has to be some distinguishment as they're both different countries.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    "Am I Irish" is a bit like asking "am I six foot tall" - there's an easy way to find out and it takes minutes.

    It doesn't define who you are as a person though.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    Yes OP you are Irish. Once you're born on the island of Ireland you are Irish to me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    Dostoevsky wrote: »
    Stupid answer. You seem to be contending in this thread that Irish people who live under British rule in Ireland today are not Irish, but are British. Do you extend that to all the people of Ireland prior to 6 December 1922 when most of the country got independence from Britain? Did the Irish people exist then, or were they all British?

    Define "Irish" for me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36 Derrydoc


    "Am I Irish" is a bit like asking "am I six foot tall" - there's an easy way to find out and it takes minutes.

    It doesn't define who you are as a person though.

    I agree it doesn't define me or anyone else as a person. A better title would probably have been "Do you view me as Irish."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,732 ✭✭✭Magill


    I'm Irish. Do i care if someone from the south disagrees with that ? No.. because anyone that does is most likely an asshole and their opinion therefore means very little to me. Saying that, doesn't mean i would want a united Ireland.. the republic can't even manage itself, no need to add more weight to its tiny shoulders.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,650 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    I think there should be an Northern Irish specific passport as a further step toward stopping people thinking of the place as us and them, I know that one step would do very little, but it's the little steps over all that would help.

    That said, considering yourselves Irish is fair enough.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭Sir Humphrey Appleby


    Derrydoc wrote: »
    I agree it doesn't define me or anyone else as a person. A better title would probably have been "Do you view me as Irish."
    Yes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Derrydoc wrote: »
    I agree it doesn't define me or anyone else as a person. A better title would probably have been "Do you view me as Irish."

    I bit like asking "do you view me as 6 foot tall"? It desn't matter people view you as: they are factually right or wrong.

    Irish is a natinoality. Beyond that, you'll need to clarify the definition.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭Il Trap


    Yes OP. You are an Irish citizen, you identify yourself as Irish and you are as Irish as any other Irish citizen wherever they may be. Can't believe so many people have difficulty comprehending something so fcuking simple.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,893 ✭✭✭Davidius


    Being Irish is not some privilege extended to you by the "real" Irish people of the republic. We don't become the one true arbiters of Irishness just because we were born on this side of the partition.


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