Dx or NWO

PTH2009

Probly 2 of the greatest stables of all time in Pro Wrestling. Which one was your favourite

I would go for NWO. Although i never watched WCW from watching documentarys on the nwo, i would have to say they were brillent, there promos, the superstars that were part of the stable were amazing. Although near the end of the wcw it was all over the place with NWO wolfpac and all that. The NWO in wwe was a shadow of itself compared to what it was in WCW.

DX had there days and there comeback in 2006 with Triple H and Michaels was fairly good but NWO were much better in my opinion

I always wonder what the NWO (1996-2001) would be like in the WWE Attitue Era

CSF

DX. Probably because of the Attitude Era

smellmepower

4Life!

gerTheGreat

I wonder if judging the NWO based on the documentaries is the best of ideas. Surely you can't get a clear picture of the full range of their story lines, promos, etc from a documentary. I'd imagine that a documentary is going to pick from the best of it. I didn't watch WCW, only WWF/E, so it's truly hard to say.

That said, NWO clearly had a better core - Hulk Hogan is the archetypal 80s Pro Wrestler, while Scott Hall and Kevin Nash were two of the most influential, (from reading Brett Hart's autobiography, Hall and Nash ran the booking in WCW, while the Kilq's influence in WWE can still be seen today.)

And yes, it's true that the NWO spiraled into an unholy mess but when you compare the original core NWO vs the DX of HHH, HBK, Road Dogg, Billy Gunn, X-Pac and China, it's really hard to pick. [Am I actually right in thinking that HBK and X-Pac were in DX at the same time?]

Sean Waltman was in both. If you could get an honest answer out of him, (he works for the WWE as a talent scout), he'd probably be the best judge.

Interesting question. Truly, it's the Blur vs Oasis debate of wrestling fans.

rovert

NWO as my one friend who watched WCW if he did the 4 Life hand signal I wouldn't get embarrassed in public. My entire area and secondary school class on the other hand endlessly crotch choping = morto.

DEFTLEFTHAND

DX always came across as a ripoff to me, girly boys acting like teenagers, you always felt that your own mother could lay Michaels on his arse. nWo were cool, Hall Nash and Hogan played the parts perfectly. They made you believe they were for real, tough guys and not the usual wrestling bullsh1t. 4 Life.

Jester252

DX because they didn't ruin WWF/E with their backstage politics.

gerTheGreat

Jester252 wrote: »

DX because they didn't ruin WWF/E with their backstage politics.

DX had HHH, HBK and X-Pac. That's most the Kilq

Jester252

gerTheGreat wrote: »

DX had HHH, HBK and X-Pac. That's most the Kilq

Did DX destroy WWE?
NWO had Nash and Hall. Nash and Hogan also had booking power who booked themselves to be world championship.

A Primal Nut

It's interesting that people consider DX Michaels, HHH, Chyna, X-Pac, Road Dogg and Billy Gunn. But as far as I know Michaels was never in DX at the same time as X-Pac, Road Dogg and Billy Gunn - or am I wrong? It's interesting because that was how they re-united on the 1000th Anniversary of Raw.

thebostoncrab

Talk about split down the middle! Even votes so far.

NWO for me, watching as a kid I always wanted to be 4 life rather than DX. Don't get me wrong, I liked DX, but the NWO just had extra something...then it exploded up its own arse!

hufpc8w3adnk65

I voted dx. Loved them! Didnt see too much of wcw at the time but used watch it when ever I found the channel (badly tapped black box) ha but I knew who they were and used draw nWo all over my copy books etc as they were cooler in my opinion.

eireannBEAR

<snip> of course nWo should win they were the original and most popular heel group they changed wrestling for the better, they got your average joe on the street in to wrestling,its a disgrace the polls so close.

MOD Note: Insulting other members will not be tolerated.

mdwexford

Lol over react much.

Andersonisgod

Depends really. In terms of influence and significance to wrestling then it's definitely the NWO, the main reason WCW beat WWE in the ratings for so long. In terms of actual quality television and generally quality wrestling matches it's DX. Overall though I think you'd have to say NWO.

Jester252

eireannBEAR wrote: »

of course nWo should win they were the original and most popular heel group they changed wrestling for the better, they got your average joe on the street in to wrestling,its a disgrace the polls so close.

I guess groups like the Four Horsemen never happened.

eireannBEAR

Jester252 wrote: »

I guess groups like the Four Horsemen never happened.

They didnt bring wrestling to the masses like the nWo,end of... there is no competition.

Jester252

eireannBEAR wrote: »

They didnt bring wrestling to the masses like the nWo,end of... there is no competition.

And unlike the NWO they didn't ruin WCW and competition between pro wrestling companies.
Without the four Horseman the NWO wouldn't exist so the NWO are far from the original heel stable.

gnfnrhead

Both groups had their highs and lows. Taking each group as a whole, and it's very hard to decide because when they were bad, they were awful. But at the same time, when they were good, they were great.

Taking each groups high point only, the nWo easily win. They added a whole lot more to wrestling than DX did.

smellmepower

Jester252 wrote: »

And unlike the NWO they didn't ruin WCW and competition between pro wrestling companies.
Without the four Horseman the NWO wouldn't exist so the NWO are far from the original heel stable.

The NWO didn't ruin WCW,the merger between AOL and Time Warner did.Once Ted Turner had no say in the running of things anymore WCW was doomed.

The self serving attitude the NWO and others sometimes had didn't help,but they didn't sign themselves to WCW contracts with creative control and the like,they were offered them by WCW management and rightly took them.

It's ignorance and WWE propaganda that have people believing the NWO were solely responsible for WCW's demise.

Jester252

smellmepower wrote: »

The NWO didn't ruin WCW,the merger between AOL and Time Warner did.Once Ted Turner had no say in the running of things anymore WCW was doomed.

The self serving attitude the NWO and others sometimes had didn't help,but they didn't sign themselves to WCW contracts with creative control and the like,they were offered them by WCW management and rightly took them.

It's ignorance and WWE propaganda that have people believing the NWO were solely responsible for WCW's demise.

That self serving attitude lead to WCW to bury its younger stars and caused them to jump ship bring with them their fans.

chopperbyrne

I'm not voting on this as both groups were equally as good really. They also both progressively got worse over time as more and more members were added.

As for the nWo being the original heel faction, what planet are you on?

Horsemen, Fabulous Freebirds, Heenan Family, Million Dollar Corporation?

All came before the nWo and in the case of the Horsemen and Freebirds they were both cool heel stables too.

eireannBEAR

chopperbyrne wrote: »

I'm not voting on this as both groups were equally as good really. They also both progressively got worse over time as more and more members were added.

As for the nWo being the original heel faction, what planet are you on?

Horsemen, Fabulous Freebirds, Heenan Family, Million Dollar Corporation?

All came before the nWo and in the case of the Horsemen and Freebirds they were both cool heel stables too.

I was speaking of DX and the nwo,DX was a bad copy. before the nwo changed wrestling you had to watch old men pull brass knuckles from their knickers or watch heels that pretended they could do magic or that they were from hell,ie kane and the undertaker. the nwo were the attitude era that were it began. the wwe just copied it.

Jester252

eireannBEAR wrote: »

the nwo were the attitude era that were it began. the wwe just copied it.

The nWo had nothing to do with the attitude era. The attitude era was a period in the WWF/E.

eireannBEAR

Jester252 wrote: »

The nWo had nothing to do with the attitude era. The attitude era was a period in the WWF/E.

The attitude era as we know it,started in wcw. and caused the wwe to copy it,the name ''wwf attitude'' might belong to the wwe but what we consider the birth of the attitude era of wrestling began in wcw.

Jester252

eireannBEAR wrote: »

The attitude era as we know it,started in wcw. and caused the wwe to copy it,the name ''wwf attitude'' might belong to the wwe but what we consider the birth of the attitude era of wrestling began in wcw.

Attitude era was never in WCW. Attitude was a WWF product. They had the nWo era. Using your logic nWo era must be a WWF product because it was the WWF that made Hogan the ultimate baby face that gave any meaning to his heal turn.

Riddle101

The Monday Night Wars, started with WCW. The Attitude Era was what WWE would later proclaimed it. But WCW was largely responsible for the Attitude Era in WWE. As was Vince Russo.

Anyway I choose NWO. They revolutionized the business.

RobbingBandit

What about the BWO, Blue Meanie ftw.

gnfnrhead

Jester252 wrote: »

Attitude era was never in WCW. Attitude was a WWF product. They had the nWo era. Using your logic nWo era must be a WWF product because it was the WWF that made Hogan the ultimate baby face that gave any meaning to his heal turn.

The attitude era was WWF's response to WCW. Without the nWo, the WWF would not have been forced to mix things up the way they did. Russo, along with stealing from ECW, saved the WWF in the late 90's. Don't let the revisionist history fool you.

Jester252

gnfnrhead wrote: »

The attitude era was WWF's response to WCW. Without the nWo, the WWF would not have been forced to mix things up the way they did. Russo, along with stealing from ECW, saved the WWF in the late 90's. Don't let the revisionist history fool you.

Without WWF Hogan wouldn't have been the unlimited baby face giving meaning to the nWo. Without ECW hardcore wrestling wouldn't be popular with young male. Without Vince McMahon they wouldn't be national/international professional wrestling that lead to WCW. Without carnivals professional wrestling would never have existed. Non of these where the start of the attitude era just like the nWo was not the start of the attitude era.
As they were never in the attitude era. The nWo were part of the nWo era.
Saying that the nWo was the start of the attitude era. It's like saying that the Mega Drive was the start of PlayStation consoles.

DEFTLEFTHAND

The funny thing I find is that the nWo were all older than the original DX when they formed in 1996. Nash was 37 Hall 36 and Hogan 43. Maybe that played a factor in their dominance, they were men not boys, they looked like men and they acted like men.

It had an adult feel to it, they weren't just gonna to goof around like teenagers they were gonna to run a fcukin truck through you and kill ya. Bad Ass's with no redeeming features. The perfect heels.

eireannBEAR

Jester252 wrote: »

It's like saying that the Mega Drive was the start of PlayStation consoles.

The snes lead to the start of the playstation consoles and thats an actual fact,if it was not for the nintendo company there would be no playstation,so your argument is flawed.

Jester252

eireannBEAR wrote: »

The snes lead to the start of the playstation consoles and thats an actual fact,if it was not for the nintendo company there would be no playstation,so your argument is flawed.

So is the snes the start of the playstation or did it belong to another company?
The nWo couldn't have been the start of the attitude era because it was never apart of the attitude era. For someone who is a fan of nWo why not state that the nWo era was better than the attitude era instead of forcing the nWo into somewhere they don't belong?

eireannBEAR

Jester252 wrote: »

So is the snes the start of the playstation or did it belong to another company?
The nWo couldn't have been the start of the attitude era because it was never apart of the attitude era. For someone who is a fan of nWo why not state that the nWo era was better than the attitude era instead of forcing the nWo into somewhere they don't belong?

Nintendo licensed sony to produce a CD gaming system and then pulled the plug causing sony to create the PS1.

The NWO era was the attitude era as we know it,it inspired and created that form of entertainment,the nwo/attitude era are one in the same.

Jester252

eireannBEAR wrote: »

Nintendo licensed sony to produce a CD gaming system and then pulled the plug causing sony to create the PS1.

The NWO era was the attitude era as we know it,it inspired and created that form of entertainment,the nwo/attitude era are one in the same.

They're two different product from two different companies. For someone who loves the nWo why are you trying to stick them into another company product?

eireannBEAR

Jester252 wrote: »

They're two different product from two different companies. For someone who loves the nWo why are you trying to stick them into another company product?

Im not, im sticking the attitude era in to the nwo,its belongs there.

you are focusing to much on a copyrighted name.

do you get this annoyed if you hear some one refer to pepsi as coke? or walkers as tayto?

Jester252

eireannBEAR wrote: »

Im not, im sticking the attitude era in to the nwo,its belongs there.

you are focusing to much on a copyrighted name.

do you get this annoyed if you hear some one refer to pepsi as coke? or walkers as tayto?

Well what you used are different products produce from different companies.

The attitude era and nWo era were different products from different companies. Is TNA part of the pg era? Is a Ford GT the same as Opel Astra? They weren't the same. Even the wrestling done in the ring was different.

eireannBEAR

Jester252 wrote: »

Well what you used are different products produce from different companies.

The attitude era and nWo era were different products from different companies. Is TNA part of the pg era? Is a Ford GT the same as Opel Astra? They weren't the same. Even the wrestling done in the ring was different.

I agree for the most part wcw had the better in ring wrestlers, the wcw cruisers weight division and luchadors were years a head of their time. it was incredible stuff to watch back in 96/97 you just didnt see that form of wrestling anywhere else,unless you had access to NJPW which i didnt.

Jester252

eireannBEAR wrote: »

I agree for the most part wcw had the better in ring wrestlers, the wcw cruisers weight division and luchadors were years a head of their time. it was incredible stuff to watch back in 96/97 you just didnt see that form of wrestling anywhere else,unless you had access to NJPW which i didnt.

I spend most of the morning watching old WCW matches and they are some of the best wrestling but some of the matches had a terrible ending e.g Goldberg & Bret(c) vs. Hall & Nash. The outsiders win the tag championship when Nash pins Bret (both illegal) just before Goldberg gave Nash the jackhammer. The crowd were not happy.

eireannBEAR

Jester252 wrote: »

I spend most of the morning watching old WCW matches and they are some of the best wrestling but some of the matches had a terrible ending e.g Goldberg & Bret(c) vs. Hall & Nash. The outsiders win the tag championship when Nash pins Bret (both illegal) just before Goldberg gave Nash the jackhammer. The crowd were not happy.

TBH goldberg was great for wcw,but in hindsight looking back over his matches in wcw they were just bad,he couldnt wrestle.

Nash and hogan got away with it as they usually had good story lines so you were interested in the result rather than the match.

when i look back over videos i usually watch jericho, malenko and ultimo dragon matches. ah ulitmo dragon i didnt appreciate him at the time,but my god he really was 15 years ahead of his time.