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Looking to set up an online station, what do I need to know about licensing?

  • 13-08-2013 1:17pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46


    Looking for a bit of info for setting up an online station,

    do I need to pay IMRO/PPI for broadcasting music?

    do I need to register with the BAI?

    any help appreciated!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 201 ✭✭Greyham


    Quii wrote: »
    do I need to register with the BAI?


    No the BAI have absolutely no jurisdiction over the content you choose to stream online unless you are using radio bandwidth in Ireland (i.e F.M OR A.M) etc


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Quii wrote: »
    Looking for a bit of info for setting up an online station,

    do I need to pay IMRO/PPI for broadcasting music?

    do I need to register with the BAI?

    any help appreciated!

    Its IMRO you would be dealing with there.Just for example,if you were to run a hobby station,making no money on adverts,you could get a webcastingservice digital starter account.That would be 75 euro per annum ex vat.That would allow 82 ,000 streamed works.If you were broadcasting for an hour,and during that hour played 10 songs,and had ten listeners to the show,that would be 100 streams...If you go on the imro site,you can get more information there.Hope this helps you..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,176 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    BAI don't care.

    Irish licencing is HORRENDOUSLY expensive compared to what a broadcast station pays for the same listeners. There's IMRO and PPI as two separate payments with separate rules and the potential of higher rates for overseas listeners.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,381 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    just switch on and be done with it

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 675 ✭✭✭DT100


    Do any of you guys have an internet station? If you have pm the url,I would love to listen.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭StaticNoise


    I've been involved with many radio projects, including online services, although I am not at the moment due to other work constraints. Being honest, I have been involved in services that we paid royalties for, and ones where we didn't pay. In the early days, we never really paid a penny, but this is because we were not making any money, and it was actually costing us more to maintain the stations and the listeners, than it was to pay for royalties. Over time we found ways around it and started to pay royalties. We still live by the idea that we should pay for artists' work. We would cut back in other places in order to give them money for their work. However, the money that IMRO/PPI charge is crazy, and I won't deny that.

    Maybe, OP, you could tell us more information about the service you which to start? How many are involved? What kind of broadcast genre/format? Will you advertise, or it is for a hobby? Also, have you been involved with broadcasting in the past?

    Unfortunately I can't publicly link you to stations that I have worked with, for anonymity reasons, but there are a few, and I could point you in the right direction.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 675 ✭✭✭DT100


    Quii wrote: »
    Looking for a bit of info for setting up an online station,

    do I need to pay IMRO/PPI for broadcasting music?

    do I need to register with the BAI?

    any help appreciated!

    Did you do anything about setting up the radio?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 675 ✭✭✭DT100


    just switch on and be done with it

    Did you switch on and be done with it?:D maybe you shouldn't answer that,at least not in the public forum...But I would really like to hear of any Internet radio setup that is about,from what playout system,to what equipment you use.I would love to know if the op who started thread ever got going.Feel free to pm with any station information:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,381 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    zara for playout and edcast for streaming, you could run them on the one PC using VAC, both edcast and zara are free and i think VAC is 29 £ or something around that

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 675 ✭✭✭DT100


    Would you be able to do a music and voice pre record with Zara ?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,748 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    i used to run an online radio server but shut it down since i couldnt afford to pay imro. It was mainly small irish bands that where being played, but once imro told me I had to pay them royalties for my own music then I just gave up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 675 ✭✭✭DT100


    maccored wrote: »
    i used to run an online radio server but shut it down since i couldnt afford to pay imro. It was mainly small irish bands that where being played, but once imro told me I had to pay them royalties for my own music then I just gave up.[/QUO

    What about the likes of live 365 that pay royalties for you? or Radionomy...I think they do the same? I have never tried any of these,so don't know exactly how it works,but I would imagine it would end up costing a lot anyway.Are there any more like the two I mentioned?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,381 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    maccored wrote: »
    i used to run an online radio server but shut it down since i couldnt afford to pay imro. It was mainly small irish bands that where being played, but once imro told me I had to pay them royalties for my own music then I just gave up.
    they were looking for you to pay them royalties to play music owned and produced by you? all these sorts are just a scam in my opinion

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 675 ✭✭✭DT100


    I thought they paid the royalties for all music,but the amount of listeners you could have,depended on how much you paid.....I may be wrong...But the Irish payments are crazy..............


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,967 ✭✭✭JDxtra


    Let’s say you run an internet radio station and pay your appropriate PPI/IMRO fees. Does this absolve you of being liable for similar fees from outside the state?

    Internet broadcasting by its nature (SHOUTcast, Icecast etc.) does not have geo-locking abilities built-in. Having to pay fees to everybody and anybody would make all internet broadcasting completely unworkable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,381 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    JDxtra wrote: »
    Let’s say you run an internet radio station and pay your appropriate PPI/IMRO fees. Does this absolve you of being liable for similar fees from outside the state?

    Internet broadcasting by its nature (SHOUTcast, Icecast etc.) does not have geo-locking abilities built-in. Having to pay fees to everybody and anybody would make all internet broadcasting completely unworkable.
    i have heard a couple of different things.
    1. you only pay to the agency in the country where the server is based.
    2. you pay to the agency in all countries that receive your broadcast.
    so i suspect nobody actually knows, some stream companies do offer geo locking/blocking but whether thats on windows media only i don't know

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 4,621 Mod ✭✭✭✭Mr. G


    2. you pay to the agency in all countries that receive your broadcast.
    so i suspect nobody actually knows, some stream companies do offer geo locking/blocking but whether thats on windows media only i don't know

    I cannot see this happening. Imagine all the local stations that broadcast online, surely they can't be paying for a license in say South Korea if there is a listener there?

    I'm not too sure really about the whole licensing arrangements but I would assume it would be to the agency of which your servers and equipment are based, i.e. Ireland. IMRO and PPI should be able to advise you on this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,967 ✭✭✭JDxtra


    Just spoke to IMRO. You can pay them an additional percentage, and they will pay the royalties to their equivalents on your behalf. You have to supply listener logs each quarter detailing the geographic of your listeners.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,748 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    DT100 wrote: »
    What about the likes of live 365 that pay royalties for you? or Radionomy...I think they do the same? I have never tried any of these,so don't know exactly how it works,but I would imagine it would end up costing a lot anyway.Are there any more like the two I mentioned?

    Then its live 365's problem and not yours. I ran a show for a few years on an american web radio station called Jackalope radio and I could play what I wanted as they were covered.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,748 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    they were looking for you to pay them royalties to play music owned and produced by you? all these sorts are just a scam in my opinion

    they wanted me to pay them so then they could pay me - and keep their percentage


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