Decision time; Canyon vs Rose

cjt156

Bike to Work Scheme budget; hoping to order in the next couple of weeks. Is there anything to chose the Canyon Roadlite 6.0SL over the Rose Pro-SL 2200?

To my uneducated eyes they are practically identical in spec and geometry. I'm leaning towards the Apex over the 105 from Canyon, Rose is Apex by default. I've no real bias as I'm coming from a steel gate with friction shifters. Anything I should know to sway me in either direction?

Canyon

Rose

Incidentally Rose have all sizes and colours available. Canyon says out of stock on all but the largest sizes - do they generally build to order? Anyone have experience in delivery times from either supplier?

Seweryn

cjt156 wrote: »

Anything I should know to sway me in either direction?

The main difference is that you can customise your bike with Rose while taking your order through their website, i.e. you can change the stem type, angle and length, handlebars, saddle, tyres, etc. I think this is a huge, huge advantage towards Rose, especially if you know what size and fit components you need, as this would save you money and hassle on a long run.

I would also go with Sram Apex rather than 105.

Sarz91

Just thought I'd throw a spanner in the works. Have you looked at these? Or are you dead set on the canyon/rose?

fat bloke

Shoot me for my gullible consumerism but personally I would buy a canyon simply because they're in the pro pelothon.
No harm when you're selling it on again at a later date. Canyon have become a very recognisable brand. Much more so than Rose, in my opinion, though that is not to say or indicate that either is the "better" bike.

As usual, I'll give the advice that is never taken, which is to spend your money now. If you buy a 1000 euro bike now, I bet you dollars to cents that you'll be back here in less than 12 months asking which bike you should buy for 2000 euro, and wishing you hadn't "wasted" your btw scheme money.

Seweryn

fat bloke wrote: »

If you buy a 1000 euro bike now, I bet you dollars to cents that you'll be back here in less than 12 months asking which bike you should buy for 2000 euro, and wishing you hadn't "wasted" your btw scheme money.

That is why I would be in favour of Rose, as you can practically customise the bike exactly the way you want it. If you think an 11-26T cassette is more suitable for you than a 12-26T that comes as standard, then you can change it before the bike is assembled. I guess they can install a higher specification cassette as well, and so on. Sure, you may end up with a bill of twice the amount from where you stared, but you get the bike you want without major future upgrades needed :-).

mp31

The Canyon appears to be more 'relaxed' geometry bike..eg:

Canyon M(56): Top Tube = 542, Head Tube = 175, Chainstay = 410
Rose 55cm....: Top Tube = 545, Head Tube = 147, Chainstay = 406

But I'm sure someone who know more about these things will confirm/reject my suggestion

slap/dash

ive a rose xeon rs 3000. very nice. well put together. great customer service. no hassle when i returned wrong size bike.

i'll admit that the canyon do tend to look a little nicer, but from what the dude in the lbs said, theyre basically identical frames.

one thing that would make me advise against a canyon is their 1 1/4 sizing, versus 1 1/8 on almost all other bikes. it means you are tied to the richey or a limited number of stem options down the line if you need to change that.

i ended up feeling a bit bad not supporting the lbs, but they get plenty of cash from me anyway.

slap/dash

mp31 wrote: »

The Canyon appears to be more 'relaxed' geometry bike..eg:

Canyon M(56): Top Tube = 542, Head Tube = 175, Chainstay = 410
Rose 55cm....: Top Tube = 545, Head Tube = 147, Chainstay = 406

But I'm sure someone who know more about these things will confirm/reject my suggestion

the rose do have shorter headtubes than say, cannondale or specialized for example. def make sure you specify some spacers. i think they are modifying that for 2014 though

Plastik

mp31 wrote: »

The Canyon appears to be more 'relaxed' geometry bike..eg:

Canyon M(56): Top Tube = 542, Head Tube = 175, Chainstay = 410
Rose 55cm....: Top Tube = 545, Head Tube = 147, Chainstay = 406

But I'm sure someone who know more about these things will confirm/reject my suggestion

What's the next size up Rose like compared to the 56 Canyon?

I have a 56 Planet X and had to go to a 57 Storck to try and replicate similar geometry. Storck size their frames in 55 & 57 - but the 55 is much more similar to a regular 54 in terms of headtube etc.

slap/dash

my 57 has a 163mm headtube. but i think the pro-sl differ

in comparison, a 58 cannondale i rented in the us had a 200!

McGrath5

I bought the Canyon last month, its a fantastic bike.
Although I came from a MTB so I do not have much experience with any other road bike's.

petethedrummer

They are both very well specc'd so I would buy the one you like the look of most. You'll look after it better and you'll feel better when you check yourself out rolling past any large windows.

Brian?

There's really nothing to seperate them spec wise, I prefer the look of the Canyon though.

hueylewis

I think Canyon make the better looking bikes, but Rose offer more options and their bikes certainly don't look bad at all. I've been speccing out a future bike, and of the two I'll probably go with Rose due to their setup options for gearset, saddle, and bars.

harringtonp

cjt156 wrote: »

Bike to Work Scheme budget; hoping to order in the next couple of weeks. Is there anything to chose the Canyon Roadlite 6.0SL over the Rose Pro-SL 2200?

Incidentally Rose have all sizes and colours available. Canyon says out of stock on all but the largest sizes - do they generally build to order? Anyone have experience in delivery times from either supplier?

Rose Xeon CW ordered Jan 14th, shipped April 2nd. Longer wait than normal (they advise 6 weeks) due to parts being out of stock. Club mate got a Canyon about a month ago and his wait time was even longer. Both are great bikes though and worth the wait.

Others here made the point about ordering a bike for a 1000 and then going back a year later and spending more. If you have the money and reckon you will be into road biking for the longer run this point is very true. IMO the sweet spot for a high quality bike is about 2.5K-3K. There is a big difference between what you can get for this and 1K (especially through the usual schemes) but a much smaller difference between this amount and 5K.

cjt156

Sarz91 wrote: »

Just thought I'd throw a spanner in the works. Have you looked at these? Or are you dead set on the canyon/rose?

Arrrghh!!!

Now I'm really confused. TBH I'm not committed to anything, I just found those 2 to be the best spec at that price point. The Ribble muddies the water as it has lower spec groupset (not by much admittedly) but a carbon frame.

I'll confess at this point that I'd cover less than 100k per week, and am dabbling in Triathlon world. I doubt very much I'll have the budget or the inclination to upgrade any time soon, so this is kind of a one shot deal.

So, should I disregard the Ribble & just chose the subtle Rose over the garish Canyon?

Seweryn

cjt156 wrote: »

So, should I disregard the Ribble & just chose the subtle Rose over the garish Canyon?

Yes, in your current situation :-).

By the way, a carbon fibre frame is not necessarily any better than a quality alloy frame. It is more expensive though and that is why you pay more for it or you get a bike with cheaper components for the same money.

cjt156

OK now I'm busy spec'ing up a TT bike on the Ribble site - this is getting silly!

Briando

I'm on a Canyon, friend has a ribble.

Lifting just the frames+forks of each, the Canyon frame+fork is noticeably lighter.

It seems there is a lot more carbon used in the Ribble frame. If they are coming in around the same price, go Canyon.

Leroy42

Briando wrote: »

I'm on a Canyon, friend has a ribble.

Lifting just the frames+forks of each, the Canyon frame+fork is noticeably lighter.

It seems there is a lot more carbon used in the Ribble frame. If they are coming in around the same price, go Canyon.

All depends on which frames you are comparing. If canyon is higher spec frame than you would expect it to be lighter. So unless you are comparing identically priced frames its kind of meaningless.

Briando

Leroy42 wrote: »

All depends on which frames you are comparing. If canyon is higher spec frame than you would expect it to be lighter. So unless you are comparing identically priced frames its kind of meaningless.

If they are coming in about the same price go Canyon.

cjt156

Canyon 2014 stock just released. Slightly different paint job, same spec AFAIK.
Still confused. Mainly by the possibility of getting a Ribble TT bike instead.

mp31

What sort of cycling are you planning on doing?
If you are going to do TT in a big way then maybe a separate TT bike is what you need... alternatively you could stick on TT bars onto a road bike.

If you are new to the sport then I would recommend something with a relaxed geometry e.g Canyon as it would be more comfortable to ride. Also it would be annoying to find out the head tube is too short on the bike after a few weeks even with all the spacers under the stem.

cjt156

So I talked myself round, had a bit of sense and went with the 2014 Canyon Roadlite AL 6.0 SL. Delivery scheduled for 5 weeks. Excited!:D

mp31

cjt156 wrote: »

So I talked myself round, had a bit of sense and went with the 2014 Canyon Roadlite AL 6.0 SL. Delivery scheduled for 5 weeks. Excited!:D

Good move I'd say.

slap/dash

although im still leery on the odd headtube of canyon, they are nice enough to include a torque wrench with their bikes

hueylewis

cjt156 wrote: »

So I talked myself round, had a bit of sense and went with the 2014 Canyon Roadlite AL 6.0 SL. Delivery scheduled for 5 weeks. Excited!:D

Congrats! Please give us an update when it arrives if you can, pics and all. Love seeing new bikes and the Canyon looks real nice.

LloydChristmas

Were you able to purchase the Canyon on the Bike to Work scheme? Im in the market for a new bike on the BTW but I thought that ruled the Canyons out...?

harringtonp

LloydChristmas wrote: »

Were you able to purchase the Canyon on the Bike to Work scheme? Im in the market for a new bike on the BTW but I thought that ruled the Canyons out...?

If your employer is flexible (and a lot aren't), you can purchase it anywhere. I got a planet x bike from the UK some years back on the scheme

cjt156

Arrived Friday and here it is straight out of the box. Saddle angle needed a tweak and I really need to get some decent pedals and shoes but for now I'm very pleased. Went for a quick run around Kilternan/Enniskerry to try it out and the weight and gearing compared to my old steel 10-speed is only hoooge.

Roger Hassenforder

lovely bike; well wear!

denbatt

Nice. Enjoy it.

Hungrycol

Schweet.

Smokeyskelton

I'd say there's a world of difference going from an old bike to a beauty like that. Safe cycling to you!

cjt156

Thanks all. It is a massive step up in quality, though I'm still learning the subtleties of the SRAM shifters. So far I've been dropping about 3 gears at a time in my over-enthusiasm. This after I finally got my old friction shifters to co-operate.
Looking forward to the weekend to give it a longer run now I've tweaked it a bit.