Lazy Irish companies

gutteruu

What is it about Irish companies. I've tried ringing a few companies this week to get quotes, buy things etc. and not one could be arsed getting back to me. I've been ringing the same 2 companies in limerick trying to give them business, but they won't even return my calls. I rang over 10 companies to get quotes for another simple job, easy money and only 1 company came back with a price that was double the cost of flying someone from the UK to do it.

Its hard to give your money away these days!!

MadsL

...because professionalism and the Sales industry in Ireland are not exactly best friends.

mikeyariss

whats the job

you rang 10 companies like

kneemos

A bit of two by four,no bother,top man.Go on ya good thing.

General General

Is the OP serious? We are blah blah blah best in world, world class blah blah, for too long we have heard the begrudgers say that Ireland isn't smart, well-educated, soulful(?) blah blah blah.

Celtic tiger, selling all over the world. Everyone is talking about us. Most professional. Way ahead of the competition, blah blah blah, China. US. We are the biggest software producer outside the US, as you probably know.. cutting edge. Our bright, young, incredibly focussed, blah blah blah, this is it boys, this is war, 99 red balloons...

Sunday business post, most innovative, international, young company award, seventeen companies in Limerick alone, retail excellence blah blah. Truly we have arrived on the world stage.

Experts largely agree, phenomenon, phenomenal, amazing, IPO, management buyout, setting the bar & the pace for all their competitors.

Indigenous.

humbert

10 different companies. Perhaps the problem is on your end?

wendell borton

kneemos wrote: »

A bit of two by four,no bother,top man.Go on ya good thing.

It's a four by two this side of the Atlantic.:D

mikeyariss

General General wrote: »

Is the OP serious? We are blah blah blah best in world, world class blah blah, for too long we have heard the begrudgers say that Ireland isn't smart, well-educated, soulful(?) blah blah blah.

Celtic tiger, selling all over the world. Everyone is talking about us. Most professional. Way ahead of the competition, blah blah blah, China. US. We are the biggest software producer outside the US, as you probably know.. cutting edge. Our bright, young, incredibly focussed, blah blah blah, this is it boys, this is war, 99 red balloons...

Sunday business post, most innovative, international, young company award, seventeen companies in Limerick alone, retail excellence blah blah. Truly we have arrived on the world stage.

Experts largely agree, phenomenon, phenomenal, amazing, IPO, management buyout, setting the bar & the pace for all their competitors.

Indigenous.

put down that crack pipe!

studiorat

gutteruu wrote: »

What is it about Irish companies. I've tried ringing a few companies this week to get quotes, buy things etc. and not one could be arsed getting back to me. I've been ringing the same 2 companies in limerick trying to give them business, but they won't even return my calls. I rang over 10 companies to get quotes for another simple job, easy money and only 1 company came back with a price that was double the cost of flying someone from the UK to do it.

Perhaps they were busy. I find it better to email people for quotes and give quotes to people who email me. In general the phone calls are usually tire kickers.

kneemos

wendell borton wrote: »

It's a four by two this side of the Atlantic.:D

A four by two wouldn't fit.

gutteruu

mikeyariss wrote: »

whats the job

you rang 10 companies like

That one was just to service an air compressor, but its all sorts of work. When I got that one mad quote, I rang a few companies in UK for the laugh, everyone got back to me within the day. They seem hungry for the business.

Rang a fella about a different thing today saying I wanted to buy a unit, "sales guy will call you back" he said. No phone call. I have to call them again tomorrow to chase them to give them money. :mad:

mikeyariss

gutteruu wrote: »

That one was just to service an air compressor, but its all sorts of work. When I got that one mad quote, I rang a few companies in UK for the laugh, everyone got back to me within the day. They seem hungry for the business.

Rang a fella about a different thing today saying I wanted to buy a unit, "sales guy will call you back" he said. No phone call. I have to call them again tomorrow to chase them to give them money. :mad:

you get free calls on your package huh.........

Augmerson

I'd say it's you OP.

kneemos

gutteruu wrote: »

That one was just to service an air compressor, but its all sorts of work. When I got that one mad quote, I rang a few companies in UK for the laugh, everyone got back to me within the day. They seem hungry for the business.

Rang a fella about a different thing today saying I wanted to buy a unit, "sales guy will call you back" he said. No phone call. I have to call them again tomorrow to chase them to give them money. :mad:

Sounds a bit mad in fairness.You're not being a complete bollocks over the phone presumably."Call you back"in Ireland doesn't always mean today.

Aineoil

kneemos wrote: »

Sounds a bit mad in fairness.You're not being a complete bollocks over the phone presumably."Call you back"in Ireland doesn't always mean today.

That sounds right. But maybe these are small companies and don't have the manpower to answer straight away? Just a thought.

kraggy

MadsL wrote: »

...because professionalism and the Sales industry in Ireland are not exactly best friends.

The OP knows that, his question is "why?".

gutteruu

kneemos wrote: »

Sounds a bit mad in fairness.You're not being a complete bollocks over the phone presumably."Call you back"in Ireland doesn't always mean today.

Naw. I'm not being awkward or asking for anything out of the ordinary. I'm sure some more quotes will come in in dribs and drabs over the coming weeks, but its just the Irish ethos and way of doing business. Companies in other countries always seem more keen for the work.

dmc17

gutteruu wrote: »

Rang a fella about a different thing today saying I wanted to buy a unit, "sales guy will call you back" he said. No phone call. I have to call them again tomorrow to chase them to give them money. :mad:

A unit of what? Electricity?

Christ the Redeemer

We used to get calls from oulwans wanting an oul weld done on their gates. the company had "invested" in an ad in the blue pages "no job too small" - ****ing disaster. Yes, some jobs are too small to bother with.

truebluesac

Christ the Redeemer wrote: »

We used to get calls from oulwans wanting an oul weld done on their gates. the company had "invested" in an ad in the blue pages "no job too small" - ****ing disaster. Yes, some jobs are too small to bother with.

Well then why say it ???

In this day and age is word of mouth not bringing in work ? Iv done a small job in a house (. Changed a light fitting ) 3 years ago didnt charge for the 15mins i was there but was trown €20 . Since then iv gotten untold paid work from faimly , friends neibours etc .because i was honest and didnt try rip them off .

Its whats down the line thats somtimes forgotten about

estate agents are the worst, they dont bother their holes at all, at all

Munstermissy

gutteruu wrote: »

Naw. I'm not being awkward or asking for anything out of the ordinary. I'm sure some more quotes will come in in dribs and drabs over the coming weeks, but its just the Irish ethos and way of doing business. Companies in other countries always seem more keen for the work.

Hmmmmm, have you ever dealt with the French?? I have spent the last two days run ragged by them chasing an answer to a query of mine. Couldn't be bothered their arses replying to me!

Eight Ball

Went searching for a decent price including delivery of corrugated roofing sheets last month. Rang around three adds on donedeal and each business said they'd get back to me on a quote. None did so I had to drive down to Kildare and pick some up myself. Same thing happened with a motorbike part I needed this summer. Maybe they don't need the business??

Eight Ball

Christ the Redeemer wrote: »

We used to get calls from oulwans wanting an oul weld done on their gates. the company had "invested" in an ad in the blue pages "no job too small" - ****ing disaster. Yes, some jobs are too small to bother with.

False advertising then im afraid.

General General

Eight Ball wrote: »

False advertising then im afraid.

I bet he doesn't redeem either...

Christ the Redeemer

truebluesac wrote: »

Well then why say it ???

In this day and age is word of mouth not bringing in work ? Iv done a small job in a house (. Changed a light fitting ) 3 years ago didnt charge for the 15mins i was there but was trown €20 . Since then iv gotten untold paid work from faimly , friends neibours etc .because i was honest and didnt try rip them off .

Its whats down the line thats somtimes forgotten about

I didn't make the ad, I just lugged a welding plant by hand across a fking housing estate to put a tac on a gate, then listen to the boss moaning about it.

MadsL

Christ the Redeemer wrote: »

I didn't make the ad, I just lugged a welding plant by hand across a fking housing estate to put a tac on a gate, then listen to the boss moaning about it.

Get a cart maybe?

BeerWolf

Throughout the years, I've found that a lot of Irish tradesman are not trustworthy, and are dishonest - primarily in the construction business.

Completely agree. Used to work in a business and there were times that if they needed maintenance, the majority of the time they were either late, didn't show, did a half-ass job, or didn't even finish it.

shruikan2553

Jake1 wrote: »

estate agents are the worst, they dont bother their holes at all, at all

This! They often dont call back. I had to call again for someone else to answer immediately. Another didnt answer the phone 3 out of 4 times I called, once 35 mins before a showing to confirm and then he called me 20 mins later to tell me its already been let. Another told me they would arrange something later in the week for me to find the place was gone through daft already. I hate dealing with them. Thats if I can manage to deal in the first place.

truebluesac

BeerWolf wrote: »

Throughout the years, I've found that a lot of Irish tradesman are not trustworthy, and are dishonest - primarily in the construction business.

I was a project manager and forman before i left that sector . I was up front and would only employ or hire guys i found trustworthy . I totally know where you are coming from though ,

Deleted User wrote: »

Completely agree. Used to work in a business and there were times that if they needed maintenance, the majority of the time they were either late, didn't show, did a half-ass job, or didn't even finish it.

Dont call them again , get someone who highly recommened . And if they dont finish the work to a highest working standard dont pay untill they do .

Not all trademen are untrustworthy or incompetitent

banquo

Have to side with the OP here, even when it comes to calling landlords too.

"Hi, I'd like to rent / purchase product X."

"Sure, I'll let Y know and they'll call you back."

Never hear anything. You seriously have to harass some companies into selling you their product or service.

NuckingFacker

I've an industrial maintenance company and we specialise in trying to have someone on site almost as soon as the phone-call is finished - we never advertise but are always very busy - people joke that don't ring them unless you're ready for them.

On the flip side, if there's somthing (pretty rare) that we have to sub-contract to another company, forget about it -it will become a cluster fcuk of the highest order as finding people that will do what they say when they say for how much they said, is a nightmare. There are exceptions, but they're like hens teeth.

Generally, a pain in the hole, it's like they don't want the work and I usually end up shaking my head and wondering how the hell they stay in business. It mystifies me, tbh.

truebluesac

Get better subies :-)

Get preffered sub contractors list together . It can somtimes be worth waiting for them . And the bottom line shouldnt always be price

shane9689

generally that sector is very poor. its our medical and i.t sector that's of a high standard...the rest is still good aul ireland.

get a polish lad in...they can be abit nuts sometimes but they do the job generally and they aint too expensive

truebluesac

shane9689 wrote: »

generally that sector is very poor. its our medical and i.t sector that's of a high standard...the rest is still good aul ireland.

get a polish lad in...they can be abit nuts sometimes but they do the job generally and they aint too expensive

You reckon our medical sector is of a high standard . Id disagree with that . Our medical sector is a shambles a the moment

shane9689

truebluesac wrote: »

You reckon our medical sector is of a high standard . Id disagree with that . Our medical sector is a shambles a the moment

i mean in the business end, not health care. big difference.... im talking about Boston scientific and etc....

truebluesac

shane9689 wrote: »

i mean in the business end, not health care. big difference.... im talking about Boston scientific and etc....

So you mean the americans who have come over and set up a facility here not "our" medical sector . I have worked in the likes of the whyatts , physers bristol myers squibs . takida and so on and so forth , these projects are run useing mostly american higherarchy to set up polices standards and procedures , they impliment them . Middle management , quality managers and the labour force work to the standards laid down for them by both the company and international standards that where in place before these companies availed of the tax breaks that ireland have in place

d1234

I agree with the op on how lazy some companies are. Last year I wanted to get some leaflets and brochures printed. I was astonished by the service which I received with some printers. I had to ring a few at least 3 times to get quotes. In fact some businesses in the printing sector haven't even a website which is unbelievable especially in this line of business as I would have like to seen some of the companies work. Trying to get a quote was hard work I'll admit. On the other hand, some (a minority) were very cooperative and informative.

mikemac1

Strange about the printers. There is huge competition in that area so you'd think they would be hungry for business.

Joe Duffy had printers on several times in 2012 and they complained constantly they were being undercut by Nordie printers.

If they won't give quotes they can't get a job though

Sir Osis of Liver.

kneemos wrote: »

A bit of two by four,no bother,top man.Go on ya good thing.

wendell borton wrote: »

It's a four by two this side of the Atlantic.:D

Both incorrect. I think youll find its a four be two around these parts.

Femme_Fatale

General General wrote: »

Is the OP serious? We are blah blah blah best in world, world class blah blah, for too long we have heard the begrudgers say that Ireland isn't smart, well-educated, soulful(?) blah blah blah.

Celtic tiger, selling all over the world. Everyone is talking about us. Most professional. Way ahead of the competition, blah blah blah, China. US. We are the biggest software producer outside the US, as you probably know.. cutting edge. Our bright, young, incredibly focussed, blah blah blah, this is it boys, this is war, 99 red balloons...

Sunday business post, most innovative, international, young company award, seventeen companies in Limerick alone, retail excellence blah blah. Truly we have arrived on the world stage.

Experts largely agree, phenomenon, phenomenal, amazing, IPO, management buyout, setting the bar & the pace for all their competitors.

Indigenous.

Calm down... Lots of people don't think that. Especially now that it's not 2004 anymore.

OP, they might be too busy and plan to call you - I don't agree they ALL couldn't be bothered their holes.

gutteruu

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

OP, they might be too busy and plan to call you - I don't agree they ALL couldn't be bothered their holes.

Its not just this time. I'm talking in general. Its an ongoing thing with companies in most sectors I find. I reckon the bigger the company the better they respond, as I'm sure there are more checks/managers in place to watch things.

That company I rang on Thursday asking to buy something who never called me back, well I rang them again on Friday. Same thing. "Sales guy is on the road, I'll get him to call you" I just want to give them cash but if I'm lucky and if I chase them enough, I might be able to get it next week.

I find myself just ringing UK/northern companies for parts, quotes, etc more and more. They are delighted to get the business. It kills me to do it as I'm stubborn about buying Irish, keeping work local etc, but business is suffering over it.

Lyra Fangs

What is with estate agents who never ring back?

I've offered to rent somewhere and yet they don't bother to contact me!

Flibbles

I emailed an NHS person yesterday, and got a response (not automated) with useful information at 4pm yesterday.

Doing the same here would take weeks!

I know it's not private sector but it's the same mindset.