Heres one for the chicken and broccoli,avoid white bread and sugar clowns

dor843088

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6H2edyPLU8


This one is for all the gurus giving rubbish advice on this forum like "avoid white bread its fattening , stay away from sugar or any other rubbish like eat this or eat that or avoid this or avoid that(except possibly alcohol but even that can be accounted for). The only advice when it comes to body composition should be to get your protein carbs ,fats and fibre and training in check. Now listen to the good doctor Layne Norton.

Theresalwaysone

Jeez man never mind the diet, you must be seriously stressed out.

Chill.the.beans.

Stench Blossoms

Is clown an offensive term?

Oryx

Great way to start a thread, by breaking the charter.

I agree with theresalwaysone. You need more chilled foods.

Oryx

Stench Blossoms wrote: »

Is clown an offensive term?

When aimed and fired as an insult, yes.

Hanley

Ok... and from a health persepctive?

Change the record dude. The stress ain't good for your GAINZZZ.

lee_baby_simms

Hanley wrote: »

Ok... and from a health persepctive?

Who cares about health when you're totally ripped?!

dor843088

Hanley wrote: »

Ok... and from a health persepctive?

Change the record dude. The stress ain't good for your GAINZZZ.

I said in terms of body comp. I completely agree with a good diet for health purposes. Funny I believe one of the chicken and broccolli gurus no?

Oryx

dor843088 wrote: »

I said in terms of body comp. I completely agree with a good diet for health purposes. Funny I believe one of the chicken and broccolli gurus no?

So what is your argument again?

dor843088

Oryx wrote: »

So what is your argument again?

Ill let someone with a degree in exercise and nutritional science explain it for me just so I don't miss anything .

Oryx

dor843088 wrote: »

Ill let someone with a degree in exercise and nutritional science explain it for me just so I don't miss anything .

No, I want YOUR opinion, if ya dont mind. This is your thread and what you are posting here for.

dor843088

Oryx wrote: »

No, I want YOUR opinion, if ya dont mind. This is your thread and what you are posting here for.

My opinion on what? Do you want me to retype my posts? I made my opinion clear .

Hanley

Oryx wrote: »

No, I want YOUR opinion, if ya dont mind. This is your thread and what you are posting here for.

He's saying that it doesn't matter what you eat once you adhere to kcal requirements, when it comes to being "ripped".

...in the real world it doesn't work because we're concerned with both health and diet adherence. But who cares about the real world on the theoretical internet!

dor843088

Hanley wrote: »

He's saying that it doesn't matter what you eat once you adhere to kcal requirements, when it comes to being "ripped".

...in the real world it doesn't work because we're concerned with both health and diet adherence. But who cares about the real world on the theoretical internet!

Iifym doesnt work ? Maybe layne norton and most of the bodybuilding world are wrong and your right then? if you cant adhere to a flexible diet you certainly wont adhere to a strict super clean diet . You keep mentioning health but the fact is once you get your micronutrients in for the day the rest of your "clean eating" is not necessary. Its proven science hanley you just dont want to let go of your bro diet.

Oryx

dor843088 wrote: »

The only advice when it comes to body composition should be to get your protein carbs ,fats and fibre and training in check.

dor843088 wrote: »

I said in terms of body comp. I completely agree with a good diet for health purposes.

So you can be ripped and unhealthy and that's cool.

I get you now.

kevpants

dor843088 wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6H2edyPLU8


This one is for all the gurus giving rubbish advice on this forum like "avoid white bread its fattening , stay away from sugar or any other rubbish like eat this or eat that or avoid this or avoid that(except possibly alcohol but even that can be accounted for). The only advice when it comes to body composition should be to get your protein carbs ,fats and fibre and training in check. Now listen to the good doctor Layne Norton.

Layne Norton is a sh1t stirrer. I like him but he is. He's creating a cult of Layne to enhance his image and make money which is totally ok but I had to point this out becasue you're a carbon copy of one of his disciples. You reek of his "you got gurud" campaign. But whatever, maybe you'll realise the irony of this and maybe you won't.

Back on topic, how is "avoid sugar" rubbish advice? It's carbs & calories condensed into the smallest possible form that will do the least to alleviate hunger etc etc. If you're all for counting macros why would "avoid sugar" be bad advice for someone with a limit on how many carbs they can have in a day? Regardless of "chicken & brocolli" gurus who think we need to eat exclusively that which we pick up in our lawnmowers, sugary food is just inneficient.

Before you strike me down with your Layne-hammer read my old posts on this forum over the last few years. I'm the antithesis of what you call the chicken & brocolli brigade. I care not for nutrition because it's an almighty clusterfuck of a debate and I'm so unendingly bored by the subject. Don't get me wrong, I'm not on your side, I think the obsession with macros and with protein in particular is the greatest load of ar5e imaginable.

Here's a tip, you've over corrected. You've reacted to the cult of whole foods by diving into another cult. Read all theories and discount the most extreme 20% from each side of the argument would be my advice.

Hanley

kevpants wrote: »

Read all theories and discount the most extreme 20% from each side of the argument would be my advice.

Delete the entire forum, replace it with this, fitness solved.

dor843088

kevpants wrote: »

Layne Norton is a sh1t stirrer. I like him but he is. He's creating a cult of Layne to enhance his image and make money which is totally ok but I had to point this out becasue you're a carbon copy of one of his disciples. You reek of his "you got gurud" campaign. But whatever, maybe you'll realise the irony of this and maybe you won't.

Back on topic, how is "avoid sugar" rubbish advice? It's carbs & calories condensed into the smallest possible form that will do the least to alleviate hunger etc etc. If you're all for counting macros why would "avoid sugar" be bad advice for someone with a limit on how many carbs they can have in a day? Regardless of "chicken & brocolli" gurus who think we need to eat exclusively that which we pick up in our lawnmowers, sugary food is just inneficient.

Before you strike me down with your Layne-hammer read my old posts on this forum over the last few years. I'm the antithesis of what you call the chicken & brocolli brigade. I care not for nutrition because it's an almighty clusterfuck of a debate and I'm so unendingly bored by the subject. Don't get me wrong, I'm not on your side, I think the obsession with macros and with protein in particular is the greatest load of ar5e imaginable.

Here's a tip, you've over corrected. You've reacted to the cult of whole foods by diving into another cult. Read all theories and discount the most extreme 20% from each side of the argument would be my advice.

I actually dont like layne norton but he clearly knows what hes talking about. Im completely with you im not an extreme either . I still eat broccolli and stuff but the advice given here when someone asks a newb question on how to lose weight will be of the food choice variety with not a single mention of calories which is just barkers . One could go miles over maintenance with clean foods .

Oryx

dor843088 wrote: »

I actually dont like layne norton but he clearly knows what hes talking about. Im completely with you im not an extreme either . I still eat broccolli and stuff but the advice given here when someone asks a newb question on how to lose weight will be of the food choice variety with not a single mention of calories which is just barkers . One could go miles over maintenance with clean foods .

I havent checked rigorously, but I never got the impression that calories were ignored in advice given here. Its mentioned ad infinitum in pretty much all weight control threads.

dor843088

Oryx wrote: »

So you can be ripped and unhealthy and that's cool.

I get you now.

Most questions on here will be how to lose weight not how to extend ones life. The answer they will get will be something like "eat healthy foods" . One I saw the other day was "replace bread with oatcakes and peanut butter" . people should be given advice on getting into a calorie deficit and let them make their own food choices. Am I wrong?

dor843088

Oryx wrote: »

I havent checked rigorously, but I never got the impression that calories were ignored in advice given here. Its mentioned ad infinitum in pretty much all weight control threads.

A lot of time its almost mentioned as a side thought after the food choice crew have run wild.

kevpants

dor843088 wrote: »

I actually dont like layne norton but he clearly knows what hes talking about. Im completely with you im not an extreme either . I still eat broccolli and stuff but the advice given here when someone asks a newb question on how to lose weight will be of the food choice variety with not a single mention of calories which is just barkers . One could go miles over maintenance with clean foods .

Ya see I think everyone is trying overcomplicate this. If you told 90% of people to write down a day's eating to lose weight they'd probably write down something that would work.

Everyone would replace the chips with the salad and "gurus" everywhere would lose millions.

The problem with macros is they're tedious. I have two diets. My "I need to get strong now" diet and my "I need to lose weight now diet". The difference between them can actually be summarised in color form, never mind your macros. I simply replace as many beige things with as many green things as I can manage.

This year I actually didn't bother with either and decided to simply out train my bad diet. And it worked!

Problem solved. Where are my cult members? I want them to drink some of this special punch.

Oryx

dor843088 wrote: »

Most questions on here will be how to lose weight not how to extend ones life. The answer they will get will be something like "eat healthy foods" . One I saw the other day was "replace bread with oatcakes and peanut butter" . people should be given advice on getting into a calorie deficit and let them make their own food choices. Am I wrong?

But for someone with no knowledge of nutrition, giving them their own food choices leaves them lost. You tell someone to eat protein, when in some cases they don't actually know what foods contain protein, let alone which are the best protein choices to make. I'm not kidding, I've come across this.

So of course, recommendations are being made. And it is certainly better to recommend healthy (unprocessed) food rather than maccy d's to someone with food issues or weight problems.

xgtdec

dor843088 wrote: »

Most questions on here will be how to lose weight not how to extend ones life. The answer they will get will be something like "eat healthy foods" . One I saw the other day was "replace bread with oatcakes and peanut butter" . people should be given advice on getting into a calorie deficit and let them make their own food choices. Am I wrong?

yes your wrong, peoples food choices could be the very reason they are not in a deficit. its hard to end up on a binge from eating chicken and brocalli...the same can not be said of bread so in the case above the oatcake and peanut butter may be more likely to keep person on the straight and narrow.

thegreatiam

kevpants wrote: »

This year I actually didn't bother with either and decided to simply out train my bad diet. And it worked!

Problem solved. Where are my cult members? I want them to drink some of this special punch.

I am interested in your premise, where can I subscribe to your service?

JJayoo

I like broccoli.

Gummy Panda

While I don't fully agree with the clean foods mantra, it does work because its self limiting and simple. No hidden calories for people to count.

The problem is people get some measure of results so they go "well I ate this much 'clean' food and lose this much fat so if I go extreme, I lose huge amounts". The people then go to every bodybuilding/fitness forum asking is this clean or that clean. Likewise IIFYM has gone to extremes where people are fitting all sorts of junk in their diet to 'annoy the bros and their bro foods'.

In conclusion, I blame Hanley.

conzy

Sometimes adhering to a 100% clean diet is very tough. And on the other side of things you need to make sure you have good macros to achieve your goals.

Im going to try and relax the strictness of my foods to keep me sane.

e.g 1500 cals of clean food and 250 cals of "whatever" which allows 2 bananas, or a small chocolate bar or some peanut butter etc..

amazingemmet

kevpants wrote: »

This year I actually didn't bother with either and decided to simply out train my bad diet. And it worked!

Firstly, This is stolen for the topic of my new e-manual "The beige to green diet" E-millions here I come.

Secondly didn't Norton get raped with logic by Lyle Mcdonald?

Here's a fact about the caloric model of losing weight. 66% of people following it ended up fatter in a two year time span. Imagine I came out with a training plan that was so effective only 33% of people would be able to squat bodyweight?

ref: The American Psychologist april 2007

Show me someone who is already lean and got their training dialled in and I'll show you some one who can use iifym effectively.

Show me your overweight clients who had a ‘dirty meal’ everyday and got shredded then I WILL perk up

floggg

dor843088 wrote: »

Iifym doesnt work ? Maybe layne norton and most of the bodybuilding world are wrong and your right then? if you cant adhere to a flexible diet you certainly wont adhere to a strict super clean diet . You keep mentioning health but the fact is once you get your micronutrients in for the day the rest of your "clean eating" is not necessary. Its proven science hanley you just dont want to let go of your bro diet.

How practical is it actually to get your macros right without eating healthy?

In another thread you said you could lose weight eating only McDonald's.

Well, what does an average daily weight loss diet from McDonald's look like of you hit all the right macros.

And is it sustainable?

E.g. blowing 3/4 of your daily calories on one meal isn't.

the drifter

JJayoo wrote: »

I like broccoli.

freak!

kevpants

conzy wrote: »

Im going to try and relax the strictness of my foods to keep me sane.

e.g 1500 cals of clean food and 250 cals of "whatever" which allows 2 bananas.

cmyk

dor843088 wrote: »

The only advice when it comes to body composition should be to get your protein carbs ,fats and fibre and training in check. Now listen to the good doctor Layne Norton.

I'd love to see you explain that advice to someone who's about 6 stone overweight and doesn't even know what a macro is. It may be decent advise, as amazingemmet has hinted at for those who are somewhat educated on training and nutrition...those people, if you take a look around are very much in the minority.

conzy

kevpants wrote: »

My maintenance calories are pretty low unfortunately so even fitting in fruit / peanut butter etc is tough sometimes..

dor843088

floggg wrote: »

How practical is it actually to get your macros right without eating healthy?

In another thread you said you could lose weight eating only McDonald's.

Well, what does an average daily weight loss diet from McDonald's look like of you hit all the right macros.

And is it sustainable?

E.g. blowing 3/4 of your daily calories on one meal isn't.

Heres a bodybuilder eating nothing but mcdonalds for 30 days hes already lean and got leaner while doing it .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axxpb7TJ7cQ

A_Sober_Paddy

dor843088 wrote: »

Heres a bodybuilder eating nothing but mcdonalds for 30 days hes already lean and got leaner while doing it .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axxpb7TJ7cQ

You can get leaner, no matter what you eat if your running off a calorie deficit

floggg

dor843088 wrote: »

Heres a bodybuilder eating nothing but mcdonalds for 30 days hes already lean and got leaner while doing it .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axxpb7TJ7cQ

I said average - body builder's don't follow an average diet.

I would say for most men an average calorific intake would be circa 2000 (slightly less maybe if trying to loss weight).

What's a balanced 2000 a day diet in McDonalds look like?

dor843088

xgtdec wrote: »

yes your wrong, peoples food choices could be the very reason they are not in a deficit. its hard to end up on a binge from eating chicken and brocalli...the same can not be said of bread so in the case above the oatcake and peanut butter may be more likely to keep person on the straight and narrow.

peoples food choice cannot be the reason they are not in a deficit OVERCONSUMPTION of any food ANY FOOD can make you real fat real fast. you just don't get that simple fact do you ? You have no argument . Your probably the very person giving this BS advice on here .

floggg

dor843088 wrote: »

peoples food choice cannot be the reason they are not in a deficit OVERCONSUMPTION of any food ANY FOOD can make you real fat real fast. you just don't get that simple fact do you ? You have no argument . Your probably the very person giving this BS advice on here .

How much broccoli would you need to over-consume to get real fat?

I think I calculated it at circa 5.8 kilos a day. Good luck to you if you can eat that.

amazingemmet

dor843088 wrote: »

peoples food choice cannot be the reason they are not in a deficit OVERCONSUMPTION of any food ANY FOOD can make you real fat real fast. you just don't get that simple fact do you ? You have no argument . Your probably the very person giving this BS advice on here .

So by your contention a diet of 2000cals from sugar vs 2000cals from mixed sources there'll be no difference?

Obvious troll is obvious at this point.

Love2u

dor843088 wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6H2edyPLU8


This one is for all the gurus giving rubbish advice on this forum like "avoid white bread its fattening , stay away from sugar or any other rubbish like eat this or eat that or avoid this or avoid that(except possibly alcohol but even that can be accounted for). The only advice when it comes to body composition should be to get your protein carbs ,fats and fibre and training in check. Now listen to the good doctor Layne Norton.

So are you promoting white bread and sugar?? You sound like someone who hasn't a clue about what your saying. Mod close the thread. It's a joke :-)

JJayoo

the drifter wrote: »

freak!

I pretend it's a tree and I'm a Dinosaur.

Sangre

amazingemmet wrote: »

So by your contention a diet of 2000cals from sugar vs 2000cals from mixed sources there'll be no difference?

Obvious troll is obvious at this point.

In his defence he isn't saying that as you can't hit your macros just eating sugar.

dor843088

floggg wrote: »

I said average - body builder's don't follow an average diet.

I would say for most men an average calorific intake would be circa 2000 (slightly less maybe if trying to loss weight).

What's a balanced 2000 a day diet in McDonalds look like?

most men eat 2k calories really? Wow must be all midgets where you live .if your ans "average guy" your not gonna give a shi about macros are you? So once your around maintenance cals your good. A big mac has a decent macro profile fats a bit high but then the average guy isnt gonna care.

dor843088

amazingemmet wrote: »

So by your contention a diet of 2000cals from sugar vs 2000cals from mixed sources there'll be no difference?

Obvious troll is obvious at this point.

It all went completely over your head mate your really making yourself look silly .noone including myself claimed that.

Stench Blossoms

dor843088 wrote: »

It all went completely over your head mate your really making yourself look silly .noone including myself claimed that.

I think the only one making themselves look silly around here is you.

I don't think anyone is really disagreeing with the fact that if you stick to within your macros you can lose weight and look shredded but that doesn't mean it's healthy or ideal.

dor843088

Love2u wrote: »

So are you promoting white bread and sugar?? You sound like someone who hasn't a clue about what your saying. Mod close the thread. It's a joke :-)

Not promoting anything except sound advice .whats wrong with white bread and sugar?

floggg

dor843088 wrote: »

most men eat 2k calories really? Wow must be all midgets where you live .if your ans "average guy" your not gonna give a shi about macros are you? So once your around maintenance cals your good. A big mac has a decent macro profile fats a bit high but then the average guy isnt gonna care.

Yes, but you do give a **** about macros, and you're asserting that the right levels of macros and calories can be obtained from McDonalds every day.

So tell us how you see the average person doing that.

runawaybishop

amazingemmet wrote: »

So by your contention a diet of 2000cals from sugar vs 2000cals from mixed sources there'll be no difference?

Obvious troll is obvious at this point.

His contention is that if you are going over by 400 calories it doesn't matter what the source is - you'll get fat either way. That's how i read it anyway.

amazingemmet

You swopped from macros in your first post to calories later on. You need a dose of vitamin mirror as to who is looking silly in this thread.

Ok let me start with your initial argument 2000 calories from

sugar, whey, and vegetable oil versus meats, rice/sweetpotato/veg, and a balance of fats which person will look different at the end? assuming identical twins etc. Who'll have better skin? Better hormonal profile?

JJayoo

Mmmm Broccoli

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJlmYh27MHg