Water Meters

Moonbeam

http://www.leinsterleader.ie/news/meter-campagin-kicks-off-in-kildare-1-5333009

We appear to be the 1st places getting them:(
I wonder how it works in the winter when we have no water?

granturismo

Moonbeam wrote: »

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I wonder how it works in the winter when we have no water?

Why dont you have water in winter?

L1011

granturismo wrote: »

Why dont you have water in winter?

Pressure drops below useable in parts of the town during frost

angeldelight

I would prefer to have a meter installed and pay for the water I use than pay for an estimate which is what those without one will be paying

gerrowadat

Moonbeam wrote: »

http://www.leinsterleader.ie/news/meter-campagin-kicks-off-in-kildare-1-5333009
I wonder how it works in the winter when we have no water?

I would imagine that the meter would read 0.

brian_t

gerrowadat wrote: »

I would imagine that the meter would read 0.

I would imagine that the meter would stay at the previous reading until the water started to flow again.

zenno

There's only one way of getting rid of this crud... stand up and out in enormous numbers like the old days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYmz7oXPbWU

L1011

Enjoy having no water if you do that.

dublinbhoy88

zenno wrote: »

There's only one way of getting rid of this crud... stand up and out in enormous numbers like the old days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYmz7oXPbWU

Too many sheep in the country for that to happen

L1011

dublinbhoy88 wrote: »

Too many sheep in the country for that to happen

Or people who obey the law - seeing as your previous post was encouraging criminal behaviour.

dublinbhoy88

MYOB wrote: »

Or people who obey the law - seeing as your previous post was encouraging criminal behaviour.

Why should I obey the law of a country run by banks and crooks?

L1011

And that country would be?

Are you even liable for water charges?

BuffyBot

The charge is here, and it's a fact. This is not the forum for debating the ins and outs of it.

Let's keep it on topic (the roll-out in Kildare). Any further posts dragging it off-topic and/or stupidity (such as advocating criminal activities) will lead to extremely swift bans.

Danpad

Folks, like it or loathe it, the charges are coming. I have already pre-empted the roll out by installing water butts for rain collecting plus some decent filters and water purifiers. Incidentally, in Frankfurt,Germany, they have the water meters (or at least the dial) on top of the toilet cistern so you can see the needle spinning around ferociously every time you flush the jacks!

donspeekinglesh

Nobody's written to me yet:

Each meter is expected to take two hours to install, and homeowners will be written to 14 days in advance of the works taking place.

While Irish Water said it could not guarantee the repair materials for the pavement, such as concrete or tarmacadam, would match the material in place, it would "do its best" to return it to a similar condition.

The reinstatement works could be completed in many cases within three days, but the maximum 10-day period applies.

brian_t

According to the Liffey Champion - Moyglare Hall and Parklands estates will be the first to get their meters starting from Monday 12th August.

Staplor

donspeekinglesh wrote: »

Nobody's written to me yet:

I know a lad who works for a company that do stuff like this, he said if the homeowner objects they have to replace the full section of concrete. He said its a pain he has everyday, and will be inflicting it on the workers himself this time.

brian_t

Staplor wrote: »

I know a lad who works for a company that do stuff like this, he said if the homeowner objects they have to replace the full section of concrete. He said its a pain he has everyday, and will be inflicting it on the workers himself this time.

Would the Water Company not have already agreed with Kildare Co Co what the standard of finish must be.

We will complete permanent reinstatement typically in three working days but within a maximum of ten working days.

We can’t guarantee that the repair material used, such as concrete or tarmacadam, will match the material that was there before but we will do our best to return it to a similar condition and in accordance with protocols agreed between Irish Water and the Local Authorities.

It is important to realise that the colour of new materials will be different from the original surface for a time..

http://www.water.ie/help-centre/questions-and-answers/what-happens-after-installation/?category=metering

n0brain3r

Got a notice in the letter box last Monday in Moyglare Hall to say it would be happening in the next 2 weeks. There was a guy checking the meter boxes that day too so looks imminent all right.

donspeekinglesh

n0brain3r wrote: »

Got a notice in the letter box last Monday in Moyglare Hall to say it would be happening in the next 2 weeks. There was a guy checking the meter boxes that day too so looks imminent all right.

We didn't get a notice yet so they haven't managed to get to the entire estate yet.

brian_t

Apparently Kildare was chosen to be first to get the meters because of the County Councils swift co-operation in providing the necessary metering survey information.


Also in the Liffey Champion Naoise Ó Cearúil (Fianna Fáil Representative for Maynooth :eek:) is planning to hold a public meeting about the meters.

“I will be organising a public meeting in the coming weeks to gauge local opinion and see if a campaign to stop the implementation of these meters is wanted by our communities”

http://naoiseocearuil.wordpress.com/

L1011

Anyone care to remind him what party signed us up to an agreement with the EU to implement water metering in the first place? FFs arrogance amazes me, even after 14 years of their recklessness.

Appointing people as fake councillors to get over the fact that they had nearly none elected is even more pathetic, though.

dave45dave

What happens if the builder hasn't handed over the estate to the council yet. Surely they have no right to dig up the path on an estate that the council have no rights to. (yet)

brian_t

dave45dave wrote: »

What happens if the builder hasn't handed over the estate to the council yet. Surely they have no right to dig up the path on an estate that the council have no rights to. (yet)

The installation of the meters and the meter boxes is being carried out by contractors working on behalf of Irish Water.

http://www.water.ie/help-centre/questions-and-answers/who-will-install-the-meters-and-meter-boxes/?category=metering

L1011

Newer estates would have appropriately sized boundary boxes already in place, hence no digging anyway.

Am Chile

Is there any public meetings in kildare to build a campaign of opposition to block the water meters being installed?

L1011

Am Chile wrote: »

Is there any public meetings in kildare to build a campaign of opposition to block the water meters being installed?

I think the "Campaign" has gone home with its tail between its legs after its humiliation with the "one million non-payers" on the HHC, and then spending a few weeks desperately trying to redefine figures before even those ones got smashed.

They're being installed. There is nothing you can do legislatively about it, and you'll rather rapidly end up in a court-contempt-prison cycle if you try to physically prevent it.

Am Chile

MYOB wrote: »

I think the "Campaign" has gone home with its tail between its legs after its humiliation with the "one million non-payers" on the HHC, and then spending a few weeks desperately trying to redefine figures before even those ones got smashed.

They're being installed. There is nothing you can do legislatively about it, and you'll rather rapidly end up in a court-contempt-prison cycle if you try to physically prevent it.

Going by tv3 news they re picking areas where they wont expect resistance-in some areas and parts around the country they gonna face resistance- going by the lack of court cases with the household charge I see it as unlikely people being brought to court-they will likely put people on a higher flat rate charge for blocking water meters-its early days yet.

L1011

Am Chile wrote: »

Going by tv3 news they re picking areas where they wont expect resistance-in some areas and parts around the country they gonna face resistance- going by the lack of court cases with the household charge I see it as unlikely people being brought to court-they will likely put people on a higher flat rate charge for blocking water meters-its early days yet.

The reason there's not been many household charge prosecutions is because, despite the guff and bluster from the assorted malcontents, there was a very very high compliance rate in the end.

If you block a meter installation, fully expect an injunction and all that follows - just look at the bin charge protests in Dublin. This being why a number of the ULA TDs have seen the inside of Mountjoy.

Am Chile

MYOB wrote: »

The reason there's not been many household charge prosecutions is because, despite the guff and bluster from the assorted malcontents, there was a very very high compliance rate in the end.

If you block a meter installation, fully expect an injunction and all that follows - just look at the bin charge protests in Dublin. This being why a number of the ULA TDs have seen the inside of Mountjoy.

If anyone is jailed for opposing water meters being installed- when following the realease of the anglo tapes and no investigations or prosecutions have taken place against anyone in anglo is playing with fire.

L1011

Am Chile wrote: »

If anyone is jailed for opposing water meters being installed- when following the realease of the anglo tapes and no investigations or prosecutions have taken place against anyone in anglo is playing with fire.

The two are unconnected.

Am Chile

MYOB wrote: »

The two are unconnected.

If someone is brought to court and jailed for peacefully opposing a water meter being installed-while no one from anglo is investigated or prosecuted-a lot of people out there will see it as double standards one law for the ordinary working person jailed for opposing a water meter being installed- and another law for the rich anglo bankers committing fraud getting away with it-as I said I see it as playing with fire if anyone is jailed for reasons opposing water meters being installed-all it takes is one spark to ignite the flames to get fires alight- all it took in turkey was the redesigning of a park to ignite a spark same in brazil with increase bus fares was all it took it ignite a spark.

Am Chile

Danpad wrote: »

Folks, like it or loathe it, the charges are coming. I have already pre-empted the roll out by installing water butts for rain collecting plus some decent filters and water purifiers. Incidentally, in Frankfurt,Germany, they have the water meters (or at least the dial) on top of the toilet cistern so you can see the needle spinning around ferociously every time you flush the jacks!

I have seen on different threads and forums some people saying they buy water butts or water tanks to get around water charges-even with water butts- you do realease there will be a standing charge and you will also be charged for the water thats flowing out as well as the water thats following in?

chuckyarelaw

Am Chile wrote: »

If someone is brought to court and jailed for peacefully opposing a water meter being installed-while no one from anglo is investigated or prosecuted-a lot of people out there will see it as double standards one law for the ordinary working person jailed for opposing a water meter being installed- and another law for the rich anglo bankers committing fraud getting away with itQUOTE]


Who will see it as double standards? The courts won't.

Pay the damn water charges and quit this moral high-ground nonsense.

Nobody LIKES to pay them, but if we are to reveloutionise the way we fund the state, and prevent another boom-bust, a sustainable taxation system is needed.

Linking Anglo to Water metres is like linking the spread of AIDS to Bird Flu. Totally unrelated.

donspeekinglesh

Kildare estate's dubious honour of water-meter first

They started in Rockfield.

We got our initial leaflet last Friday anyway.

Danpad

Am Chile wrote: »

I have seen on different threads and forums some people saying they buy water butts or water tanks to get around water charges-even with water butts- you do realease there will be a standing charge and you will also be charged for the water thats flowing out as well as the water thats following in?

There isn't a charge for collecting and using rain water.

brian_t

https://twitter.com/MarieMulcahyTV3/status/365444821877420032/photo/1

L1011

Am Chile wrote: »

If someone is brought to court and jailed for peacefully opposing a water meter being installed

They'll be brought to court for breaking an injunction. Attempting to bring "the banks" in to a debate like this is pathetic and wildly misinformed.

Am Chile wrote: »

you do realease there will be a standing charge and you will also be charged for the water thats flowing out

There is no metering on outflow.

n0brain3r

brian_t wrote: »

https://twitter.com/MarieMulcahyTV3/status/365444821877420032/photo/1

That's a serious hole for a single meter!

brian_t

MYOB wrote: »

There is no metering on outflow.

It appears that there will be some charge for it though.

How much will I be charged for wastewater?

The tariff for wastewater removal and treatment will be determined by the Commission for Energy Regulation (CER).

Will I receive a separate bill for water and wastewater?

No, you will receive a single bill if you are supplied with both water and wastewater services.

http://www.water.ie/help-centre/questions-and-answers/will-i-receive-a-separate-bill-for-water-and-wastewater/?category=billing

Danpad

MYOB wrote: »

They'll be brought to court for breaking an injunction. Attempting to bring "the banks" in to a debate like this is pathetic and wildly misinformed.



There is no metering on outflow.

...also, unless they meter the rain clouds that frequent the area above my house, my water butts and rain water collectors will provide me with free water. These units do not have anything to do with the mains.

L1011

brian_t wrote: »

It appears that there will be some charge for it though.

Calculated off inflow, same as commercial water. So if you're using waterbutts etc, you aren't being charged for the outflow of that, or for storm drainage.

BuffyBot

Attempting to bring "the banks" in to a debate like this is pathetic and wildly misinformed.

Indeed, and as already pointed out, wildly OT for this forum.

beertons

Have we a choice where the meter goes? I wouldn't like the cobblelock taken up, but don't mind if it's around the side where the concrete footpath is.

brian_t

beertons wrote: »

Have we a choice where the meter goes? I wouldn't like the cobblelock taken up, but don't mind if it's around the side where the concrete footpath is.

No. The Council have already decided that.

It's located just outside your property wherever the water mains happens to enter it.



https://twitter.com/MarieMulcahyTV3/status/365438121761964032/photo/1

Joe Public

Danpad wrote: »

...also, unless they meter the rain clouds that frequent the area above my house, my water butts and rain water collectors will provide me with free water. These units do not have anything to do with the mains.

I hope it keeps fine for you or should that be ....

brian_t

The Leinster Leader has put up an article today which includes a 6 min video of the first instalation been done.

http://www.leinsterleader.ie/news/video-first-water-meter-installed-in-maynooth-co-kildare-1-5374403

Am Chile

I see from facebook the CAHWT group in kildare are planning to hold a public meeting this wednesday night on the water charge/water privatisation issue

Local Cahwt presents: Water is a Human Right, Public Forum, Wednesday 14th August at 8pm, Glenroyal Hotel, Maynooth

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=419184204857588&set=a.312257942216882.68414.181883045254373&type=1&theater

L1011

Rabble rabble rabble. Same ten people as always, protest against everything on any grounds they can think up.

Leaflet came through the door today, most notable thing is a warning that if you use the mains as earth for power, it won't be earth anymore when the meter is in.

Am Chile

MYOB wrote: »

Rabble rabble rabble. Same ten people as always, protest against everything on any grounds they can think up.

Leaflet came through the door today, most notable thing is a warning that if you use the mains as earth for power, it won't be earth anymore when the meter is in.

I mighnt know the activists in kildare~but i commend them for making an attempt trying to organise~ it sure beats complaining about things and ringing up joe duffy and local radio shows.

brian_t

Am Chile wrote: »

I see from facebook the CAHWT group in kildare are planning to hold a public meeting this wednesday night on the water charge/water privatisation issue

This is the People Before Profits and Sinn Fein crowd.

That Fianna Fail lad will have to hurry up and arrange his meeting or else he will be left behind. :pac: