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Ferrari for sale in Galway??

  • 31-07-2013 12:46pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91 ✭✭


    So i i am browsing the Usedcarsni just passing some time when I come across this Ferrari. I am not buying just dreaming. The car is listed as a private sale in Fermanagh with an Irish mobile number.

    Thing is though, I knew I knew the picture locations as I had looked at a car with a dealer about three weeks back. I am positive it is this guy - Quinn Car Sales. A quick google of the number confirms this.

    Why would a dealer in South Galway be selling a Ferrari on Usedcarsni as a private seller. What exactly is going on here and what is he trying to achieve. I think its kind of dishonest.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,130 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Cause it's on English plates? Illegal for a dealer in this country to sell foreign cars.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭Veloce


    Sure it say 'Adrian Quinn Car Sales' on the reg plate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,926 ✭✭✭Grab All Association


    Kinda off topic but why is there no Ferrari dealers based here in the south of Ireland?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,876 ✭✭✭Scortho


    Chris___ wrote: »
    Kinda off topic but why is there no Ferrari dealers based here in the south of Ireland?

    Not exactly the most in demand car marque in the country.
    While we'd all like one, very few in this country would be in a position to buy one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 890 ✭✭✭lifer_sean


    unkel wrote: »
    Cause it's on English plates? Illegal for a dealer in this country to sell foreign cars.

    No it's not. He would have a TAN number which allows him to hold cars on foreign plates until sold.

    @OP, nothing at all wrong with this. I would expect that the guy is trying to hit a broader market, possibly more buyers in NI/UK for a Ferrari than here.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 843 ✭✭✭HandsomeDan


    Has OP thought about re-posting at, www.jimcorr.com?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91 ✭✭phelant


    Veloce wrote: »
    Sure it say 'Adrian Quinn Car Sales' on the reg plate.

    I swear I must be blind! Too much lovely car to look at to notice the number plate.
    lifer_sean wrote: »
    No it's not. He would have a TAN number which allows him to hold cars on foreign plates until sold.

    @OP, nothing at all wrong with this. I would expect that the guy is trying to hit a broader market, possibly more buyers in NI/UK for a Ferrari than here.

    That makes sense, I just don't understand why the trader details are not on the NI website. To me it looks like a private sale.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,363 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    There is little or no market for selling a car like that in the South. As said there is a broader market for it in NI or mainland UK which is the advert's target market.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭ironclaw


    On the (off) topic of exotic dealers, this is my favourite junction in the entire world. You have Ferrari, Maserati and Lamborghini all within about a 5 minute walk. (Ja Jolla, CA, USA)

    http://goo.gl/maps/cNZ2U


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 347 ✭✭Wexfordian


    I know they are expensive to run, but 23k miles in 16 years? Why bother having it?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,130 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    lifer_sean wrote: »
    No it's not. He would have a TAN number which allows him to hold cars on foreign plates until sold.

    Aye, but he can't sell it on foreign plates. The sale would be void until the dealer registers the car here (and pays VRT)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,130 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    bazz26 wrote: »
    There is little or no market for selling a car like that in the South.

    Particularly not because the price would be twice that over here once VRT is taken into account :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,088 ✭✭✭aaakev


    Wexfordian wrote: »
    I know they are expensive to run, but 23k miles in 16 years? Why bother having it?

    Because you can...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 347 ✭✭Wexfordian


    ironclaw wrote: »
    On the (off) topic of exotic dealers, this is my favourite junction in the entire world. You have Ferrari, Maserati and Lamborghini all within about a 5 minute walk. (Ja Jolla, CA, USA)

    http://goo.gl/maps/cNZ2U

    You might like this street as well:

    Avenue Princesse Grace

    In order heading up the road, Bentley, Lamborghini, Rolls, Maybach and McLaren Mercedes.

    You have to go around the corner and down a bit though for the other toys:

    Ferraris, lots of Ferraris


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,028 ✭✭✭H3llR4iser


    Might it also be that the car is his own personal car and wishes to sell it as a private sale, not making a profit and therefore trying not to incur in taxation?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,442 ✭✭✭ofcork


    Still imo the nicest ferrari of recent times,a guy in cork had one i couldnt believe how low and wide it was standing beside it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,363 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    Wexfordian wrote: »
    I know they are expensive to run, but 23k miles in 16 years? Why bother having it?

    These type of cars are not daily drivers and are primarily used as weekend or occasional drivers so most of them don't rack up a lot of mileage over their entire life. I'd say also their owners probably spend a lot of time outside the country for other reasons.
    unkel wrote: »
    Particularly not because the price would be twice that over here once VRT is taken into account :p

    These cars still command high money across the water so due to the low demand for them here the selling price even when VRT is factored into it could still be financially favorable to someone across the water. Especially these days when there is a VRT rebate if exported. When it comes to exotic cars then the reverse is probably the norm to regular average cars.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 347 ✭✭Wexfordian


    bazz26 wrote: »
    These type of cars are not daily drivers and are primarily used as weekend or occasional drivers so most of them don't rack up a lot of mileage over their entire life. I'd say also their owners probably spend a lot of time outside the country for other reasons.

    That's all true of course, but still an average of 120 miles a month? Or maybe 2.5 hrs in the car? Not sure what the original outlay would have been for that...

    Of course its exactly as someone above said, it's because they can. Nice to have that much money!


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,217 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    A friend of a friend I knew ran one of these(non spider model) as a daily driver in Germany for years. Apparently it never once missed a beat and he reckoned it was the most reliable car he ever owned. He racked up the miles too as he traveled throughout Germany and the rest of Europe as part of his biz. He sold it on when it was near 90,000 miles on the clock(he got it second hand around the 10 k mark). Actually he had real problems when he came to sell it because the mileage was so high for a car like that. Really had to butcher his asking price and it took many months before it sold.

    Many years ago I met an older retired English couple who had a Ferrari 308 and were touring Ireland in it and they'd driven around Europe in it too. They weren't rich or anything the car was a saved up for a retirement present to themselves(IIRC he told me the only thing that had gone wrong on it were the rear wheel bearings).

    For me it's a pity such cars don't get driven more. I love how Rowan Atkinson uses his McLaren F1 on a regular basis, to the degree he got rid of all his other exotics and has IIRC done over 40,000 miles in it, even after he had a little oopsie and ended up in a ditch he had it rebuilt and back on the road again(the insurance company got butthurt there as it cost a million quid to fix). Kudos Rowan. True car nut(and a good driver too if his top gear showing was anything to judge by).

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    UK Tax Band: Over 1549 cc (£225 p/a)
    Irish: 3001 - 15000 cc €1809 p/a

    This is probably the reason why it is on sale in the Norniron.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭Flesh Gorden


    ofcork wrote: »
    Still imo the nicest ferrari of recent times,a guy in cork had one i couldnt believe how low and wide it was standing beside it.

    By any chance would that be the one with a Laois reg ? 89 LS I think? if so, that was a replica, a very convincing replica though.
    It was up on donedeal about 2 years ago for around the €10k mark

    The real ones in Lee garage were stunning though, the red coupe, the spider and I think they'd a silver one for a while


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 183 ✭✭Wheres My ForkandKnife


    samih wrote: »
    UK Tax Band: Over 1549 cc (£225 p/a)
    Irish: 3001 - 15000 cc €1809 p/a

    This is probably the reason why it is on sale in the Norniron.

    Guy in bar : "I was thinking of buying that Ferrari thats for sale at £45k stg.Did you see it? I know I'd have to add vrt but it's a nice car."

    Mate : "You know the tax on that is €1,809 per year."

    Guy in bar : "Ah, forget that so!"


    Are you seriously trying to say that anyone in the market for a Ferrari in this country would be considering which tax band it falls into:eek:

    There is an unhealthy obsession on this forum with motor tax/mpg.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,568 ✭✭✭Blue850


    Wibbs wrote: »
    . I love how Rowan Atkinson uses his McLaren F1 on a regular basis, to the degree he got rid of all his other exotics and has IIRC done over 40,000 miles in it,

    Its had 8 clutches in 38,000 miles.:eek:

    and that's a quote from Atkinson himself in an article about the car's repair in Classic and Sportscar magazine from March 2013


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,442 ✭✭✭ofcork


    By any chance would that be the one with a Laois reg ? 89 LS I think? if so, that was a replica, a very convincing replica though.
    It was up on donedeal about 2 years ago for around the €10k mark

    The real ones in Lee garage were stunning though, the red coupe, the spider and I think they'd a silver one for a while

    No this was the real thing iirc it had 355 in the reg as it was imported,guys father is a well known solicitor in cork.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 283 ✭✭ford jedi


    dont see any problem with him selling it up north and him been from south,, chances are it,l be someone in the uk or nirl who will be buying it ,, very straight foward deal as it on uk plates . just hand over cash and drive away, as where down the south it will have have to be vrt,d and so on. making the car a saga with paper work to sell also a hell of alot dearer,
    and so what if aidan is in car sales , whats to say that car is not his own private car? alot of car dealers still own there own personal cars , alot of them all have big personal collections .alot of car dealers i know have numerous cars /motorbikes etc dosent mean they have to sell them with warrantys and the likes ,some of the dealers i know have more personal junk than what they have on there forecourts


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,694 ✭✭✭BMJD


    I remember reading the F40 buyer's guide in Evo magazine years ago, the service items and pricing was eye-watering. Stuff like the fuel tanks needing to be replaced after 10 years or whatever it was at a cost of many thousands...makes ya wonder! There's also that supercar owner blog where he goes into detail about the service schedules for his collection, basically saying that parts were being replaced when there was no need to, just because the resale value would take a massive hit if the schedule wasn't followed. Mad stuff altogether.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,217 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Blue850 wrote: »
    Its had 8 clutches in 38,000 miles.:eek:

    and that's a quote from Atkinson himself in an article about the car's repair in Classic and Sportscar magazine from March 2013
    Needs new propshafts every 10,000 too and the fuel tank needs doing at even less than that. Average yearly service 20-30 grand. You'd really wanna love it.

    Now whatever about the FI, it was at the bleeding edge of tech at the time(and it's level of attention to detail makes a Ferrari F40 look like an L model Fiesta) I dunno why supercars have to be so damned expensive to run and often unreliable, other than they know they can charge the eurotrash loadsamoney. After all the Honda NSX proved you could make them reliable as night follows day and not much more to service than a Civic. Then again they barely sold outside Japan so clearly the more money than sense brigade attitude is part of that(and pretty they were not).

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭Veloce


    Blue850 wrote: »
    Its had 8 clutches in 38,000 miles.:eek:

    and that's a quote from Atkinson himself in an article about the car's repair in Classic and Sportscar magazine from March 2013

    I think it was fifth gear that said, running cost for a year can be 20 - 30k sterling a year. I don't even know what that comprises of!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 449 ✭✭logie101


    I heard that a standard service on a VW Veyron is £13,000!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,237 ✭✭✭✭djimi


    Wexfordian wrote: »
    You have to go around the corner and down a bit though for the other toys:

    Ferraris, lots of Ferraris

    Id probably prefer the Type R parked next door :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭Veloce


    djimi wrote: »
    Id probably prefer the Type R parked next door :pac:

    I'm smashing straight through that window to get my hands on that F430 Scud!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,525 ✭✭✭ION08


    Guy in bar : "I was thinking of buying that Ferrari thats for sale at £45k stg.Did you see it? I know I'd have to add vrt but it's a nice car."

    Mate : "You know the tax on that is €1,809 per year."

    Guy in bar : "Ah, forget that so!"


    Are you seriously trying to say that anyone in the market for a Ferrari in this country would be considering which tax band it falls into:eek:

    There is an unhealthy obsession on this forum with motor tax/mpg.

    Yeah well it's still a fecking rip-off.

    Plenty of others cars that arent Ferraris in that tax bracket that are unaffordable (un-feasible rather) purely due to our extortionate tax rates.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    Scortho wrote: »
    Not exactly the most in demand car marque in the country.
    While we'd all like one, very few in this country would be in a position to buy one.

    It is not the most in demand car marque anywhere. I was surprised that they never had a franchise during the boom/bubble.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,525 ✭✭✭ION08


    porsche959 wrote: »
    It is not the most in demand car marque anywhere. I was surprised that they never had a franchise during the boom/bubble.

    No but im sure they get a lot more business in the middle east, Russia, China etc

    They probably wouldnt even break even with an official dealership over here


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    There is an unhealthy obsession on this forum with motor tax/mpg.

    Maybe in this case but €260 vs 1809 p.a. is a shocking difference nevertheless. Combined with the "it's only a '97" mentality would mean that car like this is worthless in Ireland compared to pretty much anywhere else in Europe.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭ironclaw


    Veloce wrote: »
    I'm smashing straight through that window to get my hands on that F430 Scud!

    Been at that dealership in Monaco. Reliably informed its the 'second hand' dealership for Monaco :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,876 ✭✭✭Scortho


    porsche959 wrote: »
    It is not the most in demand car marque anywhere. I was surprised that they never had a franchise during the boom/bubble.

    You'd have enough though to sustain 2 dealers in mainland uk with a massive population.
    I don't know how the one up the north is surviving however.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 183 ✭✭Wheres My ForkandKnife


    ION08 wrote: »
    Yeah well it's still a fecking rip-off.

    Plenty of others cars that arent Ferraris in that tax bracket that are unaffordable (un-feasible rather) purely due to our extortionate tax rates.

    I agree with you totally but it's not like you don't know the tax payable when you buy the car. Many people on here are driving cars that they could never have afforded new because of this. Look at the luxobarge thread to see the amount of metal you can buy for buttons.
    samih wrote: »
    Maybe in this case but €260 vs 1809 p.a. is a shocking difference nevertheless. Combined with the "it's only a '97" mentality would mean that car like this is worthless in Ireland compared to pretty much anywhere else in Europe.

    Shocking altogether! There is no market for it here and that answers the OP's question who thought there may have been something a little off about a southern dealer advertising on a northern site.

    I don't think it's worthless here. It's just that there is no market for it. The car is going to cost what, €70k, give or take here.That's €70k for a toy you are going to take for a spin the odd weekend. As it stands it's done 23,000 since it came out of the factory. Thats less than 1,500 a year or 30 miles a week.

    In terms of cost of ownership I would say that motor tax is well down on the list of expenses.

    If I were in the income bracket to afford the car would I buy one? In a heartbeat but at that stage I would have as many cars as Denis Mahony or Joe Duffy.

    To be honest we are all in dreamers territory even looking at the car.There's no problem with that. In my case if I only ever looked at the cars I could afford the world would be a very depressing place.

    I just think that now the OP's question is answered it's a pity the actual car is discussed rather than going off in a tangent/rant about motor tax.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,044 ✭✭✭Wossack


    fuggin tax rates, tis like the Motor forums version of godwins law


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 IndyIrish


    phelant wrote: »
    So i i am browsing the Usedcarsni just passing some time when I come across this Ferrari. I am not buying just dreaming. The car is listed as a private sale in Fermanagh with an Irish mobile number.

    Thing is though, I knew I knew the picture locations as I had looked at a car with a dealer about three weeks back. I am positive it is this guy - Quinn Car Sales. A quick google of the number confirms this.

    Why would a dealer in South Galway be selling a Ferrari on Usedcarsni as a private seller. What exactly is going on here and what is he trying to achieve. I think its kind of dishonest.


    Can't sell English reg plates under simi membership unless it's a trade sale


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭dingding


    Looks like it was sold on 15th August.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,221 ✭✭✭NuckingFacker


    Wexfordian wrote: »
    I know they are expensive to run, but 23k miles in 16 years? Why bother having it?
    Because they are a pain in the hole to drive on normal roads and no-one ever wants to spend that much time driving them. And yes, years ago, when I lived in London, I had one. In normal traffic, the engines coke up if you can't keep the revs up, the power is too savage to even try and put your foot down and it's like being crammed into a fiat 500 if you are any way big. Peddals are on top of each other so tiring to use and like a boat, the two happiest days of ownership are the day you buy it and the day you sell it. :) Clutch and brakes like light switches also don't help. Neither does the fact you can't park it anywhere, if you do there's a crowd around it when you come back and half the people hate you, the other half almost crash into you looking and everyone wants a race..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 183 ✭✭Wheres My ForkandKnife


    Because they are a pain in the hole to drive on normal roads and no-one ever wants to spend that much time driving them. And yes, years ago, when I lived in London, I had one. In normal traffic, the engines coke up if you can't keep the revs up, the power is too savage to even try and put your foot down and it's like being crammed into a fiat 500 if you are any way big. Peddals are on top of each other so tiring to use and like a boat, the two happiest days of ownership are the day you buy it and the day you sell it. :) Clutch and brakes like light switches also don't help. Neither does the fact you can't park it anywhere, if you do there's a crowd around it when you come back and half the people hate you, the other half almost crash into you looking and everyone wants a race..

    But at least you know you have had the pleasure/pain in owning one. I wish I could say the same and I suspect a lot of others do too:cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,694 ✭✭✭BMJD


    Because they are a pain in the hole to drive on normal roads and no-one ever wants to spend that much time driving them. And yes, years ago, when I lived in London, I had one. In normal traffic, the engines coke up if you can't keep the revs up, the power is too savage to even try and put your foot down and it's like being crammed into a fiat 500 if you are any way big. Peddals are on top of each other so tiring to use and like a boat, the two happiest days of ownership are the day you buy it and the day you sell it. :) Clutch and brakes like light switches also don't help. Neither does the fact you can't park it anywhere, if you do there's a crowd around it when you come back and half the people hate you, the other half almost crash into you looking and everyone wants a race..

    Modern-day Ferraris are much easier to drive. I know, I have 4 of them*.

    *may not be true


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,221 ✭✭✭NuckingFacker


    BMJD wrote: »
    Modern-day Ferraris are much easier to drive. I know, I have 4 of them*.

    *may not be true
    I had a Dino and it was achingly beautiful but an absolute ball-breaker to drive. And repairs tended to sting. I sold it to a good friend and he still has it to this day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,699 ✭✭✭goochy


    Anyone know Adrian quinns background ? He only seems to have appeared last few years has very large and flashy stk and is located in very rural place ? How do places like this survive ?


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