In the market for a new .223

vapour_trail

Decided to bite the bullet (excuse the pun) and go in for a .223, been sitting on the fence for a while now where it comes to the .223 and .204
The problem Im having is just deciding which one. I know I want a 1:8 or 1:9 twist rate so I can fire a wider variety of ammo. Im not a huge fan of tikkas, I dont know why but they just dont do anything for me. I was looking for a Cz Kevlar or a Rem 700 maybe. I dont know a whole lot about Rem 700's, can anyone tell me if there is a heavy barrel model that comes in 1:8 or 1:9 ? Also what is accuracy like out of the box? A friend of mine has a Cz kevlar and its a beautiful gun to shoot but I dont like the stock. Its like a child wiped its nose along it :pac: ! Budget for the gun itself is €1000 or under. I know a good mod is going to be another €300 and the same for a scope.

Would I be better off going for the kevlar or a remington 700 ?

clivej

vapour_trail wrote: »

...... I was looking for a Cz Kevlar or a Rem 700 maybe. I dont know a whole lot about Rem 700's, can anyone tell me if there is a heavy barrel model that comes in 1:8 or 1:9 ? Also what is accuracy like out of the box? A friend of mine has a Cz kevlar and its a beautiful gun to shoot but I dont like the stock. Its like a child wiped its nose along it :pac: ! Budget for the gun itself is €1000 or under. I know a good mod is going to be another €300 and the same for a scope.

Would I be better off going for the kevlar or a remington 700 ?

I have the CZ .223 Kevlar and it the dogs bollOx. 1-9 twist and will shoot 40gr's up. Best I shot with it was 28mm @300 off the bench. You can get the same varmint rifle with a laminated profile stock if your not keen not the kevlar.
But the kevlar stock has an ali bedding block built into it so that rifle comes pre bedded.
It also has the single set fully adjustable trigger.
I would say to give it another try but this time think positive.

The rifle has taken many a fox and long range rabbit.
I use VMax, VShok or American Eagle HPBT ammo and all shoot very well from it.

Seen here with a cree torch fitted on top of a Bushnell 6-24x50 4200 tactical scope.

vapour_trail

Mmmmmm clivej , she sure is purrrty :cool:

How much for the gun and scope if you dont mind me asking? Does the gun come factory threaded?

clivej

vapour_trail wrote: »

Mmmmmm clivej , she sure is purrrty :cool:

How much for the gun and scope if you dont mind me asking? Does the gun come factory threaded?

I have it 4 years now so if my memory is correct

CZ Varmint €1100
Bushnell 4200 elite 6-24x50 €420 second hand, Great scope but sold it on and have a Bushnell Tactical elite 5-15x40 on top now @€;300.
I should have kept the 6-24x50 :mad:

€60 to get threaded inc protector

Just remember with the Remingtons you may need to change/upgrade the trigger as many people do.

yubabill1

you asked about Remy 700's - they are available with heavy 1:9 223 configs.

I know the standard 1:12 is a one-hole gun @100 with 55gr ammo. as before, the triggers are a bit heavy from the factory (Health & Safety B/S), but they are not difficult to remedy.

I do not have experience of 1:9 Remy.

A 1:12 twist does not mean you cannot shoot heavier ammo, it just means you will get wider groups with the heavier stuff 1.5 -2" @100 or so.

Unless you are competing, it is accurate enough. It's up to you, whatever you are comfortable with.

The thing about Remy 700's is that you can easily customise them - stocks, triggers, anything you care to look for is available.

The basic 700 out-of-the-box is a standard any sniper worth his salt can gauge with.

TriggerPL

Just throwing it out there what about a steyr pro hunter .223

deeksofdoom

CZ527 is a great out of the box rifle, you won't go wrong with it. You can stick a cheap scope on it and keep an eye on the for sale section here to pick up his and pieces.

vapour_trail

clivej wrote: »

I have it 4 years now so if my memory is correct

CZ Varmint €1100
Bushnell 4200 elite 6-24x50 €420 second hand, Great scope but sold it on and have a Bushnell Tactical elite 5-15x40 on top now @€;300.
I should have kept the 6-24x50 :mad:

€60 to get threaded inc protector

Just remember with the Remingtons you may need to change/upgrade the trigger as many people do.

Did you ever think of getting a moderator for it ? €1100 is a bit more than I wanted to spend, but Id be willing to if its worth it. Its the last gun Im buying for a long time. That kind of accuracy at 300m is outstanding ! Thans very much for the pictures. I think youve helped me make my decision

yubabill1 wrote: »

you asked about Remy 700's - they are available with heavy 1:9 223 configs.

I know the standard 1:12 is a one-hole gun @100 with 55gr ammo. as before, the triggers are a bit heavy from the factory (Health & Safety B/S), but they are not difficult to remedy.

I do not have experience of 1:9 Remy.

A 1:12 twist does not mean you cannot shoot heavier ammo, it just means you will get wider groups with the heavier stuff 1.5 -2" @100 or so.

Unless you are competing, it is accurate enough. It's up to you, whatever you are comfortable with.

The thing about Remy 700's is that you can easily customise them - stocks, triggers, anything you care to look for is available.

The basic 700 out-of-the-box is a standard any sniper worth his salt can gauge with.

I want the 1:8 or 1:9 twist so I can be more accurate with a variety of ammo. To me a 1.5 or 2" group @ 100 yards with a .223 isnt acceptable... or are my standards too high? Shouldnt you at least be getting 3 shots touching each other ?

TriggerPL wrote: »

Just throwing it out there what about a steyr pro hunter .223

Know nothing about them, never even seen them. My local shop has mainly Cz's or Tikkas with the odd Ruger and Marlin

clivej

vapour_trail wrote: »

Did you ever think of getting a moderator for it ? €1100 is a bit more than I wanted to spend, but Id be willing to if its worth it. Its the last gun Im buying for a long time. That kind of accuracy at 300m is outstanding ! Thans very much for the pictures. I think youve helped me make my decision

I use the ASE Northstar mod. It is a few grams lighter than the T8 and is stainless steel. It's 30 cal size for my .308 but both are 5/8" thread so it will fit both rifles. It does the job and I can use it without hearing protection (on both guns)
Check the dealers for up to date pricing on the CZ Varmint you may get a good second hand one.
Those Tikka's are also very good, look at the super varmint - nice looking bit of kit.

ASE northstar on my Sako varmint .308

German pointer

Any one know who has any .223 kevlars in stock preferably in the Midwest region.

German pointer

I am looking for one to maybe buy

TriggerPL

vapour_trail wrote: »

Did you ever think of getting a moderator for it ? €1100 is a bit more than I wanted to spend, but Id be willing to if its worth it. Its the last gun Im buying for a long time. That kind of accuracy at 300m is outstanding ! Thans very much for the pictures. I think youve helped me make my decision




I want the 1:8 or 1:9 twist so I can be more accurate with a variety of ammo. To me a 1.5 or 2" group @ 100 yards with a .223 isnt acceptable... or are my standards too high? Shouldnt you at least be getting 3 shots touching each other ?



Know nothing about them, never even seen them. My local shop has mainly Cz's or Tikkas with the odd Ruger and Marlin

Don't let ur gun dealer restrict ur spending lad get as much as you can for ur bucks .

I have one in .243 , cycles everything no problem and loves 58 grain vmax . First .5 moa all day with anything up to 100grain !

Gud safety system , set trigger , nicely balanced .

yubabill1

vapour_trail wrote: »

I want the 1:8 or 1:9 twist so I can be more accurate with a variety of ammo. To me a 1.5 or 2" group @ 100 yards with a .223 isnt acceptable... or are my standards too high? Shouldnt you at least be getting 3 shots touching each other ?

I'm not a target shooter, so I can live with 1.5"@100.
Happily, I can hold MOA in the field once I have ammo which shoots at least MOA on paper.
If you consider a rabbit's vital area is about 2" square, then it's theoretically hittable out to a bit less than 200yds with MOA accuracy.

Now, I like tight groups as much as the next guy, but it's really down to personal choice: If you want precision, you go down one route - if you want to go "instinctive" (there is a thread here on freehand shots) then you go down another route.

I think you tend towards precision, so you are going to need a rifle and ammunition that are closely-matched.

I find the faster twists are a jack-of-all-trades when it comes to precision. Yes, it will digest a wider range of ammo but you will still need to find ammo that performs with your rifle to get precision - ergo you end-up using one, maybe two loads.

IMHO, you might as well save yourself a lot of hassle and go for 1:12, as you will find several brands that perform and which are widely-available.

There is a lot of talk about heavier 223 ammo giving better performance at long range -2 things (1) are you going to shoot regularly at 600+yds? and (2) Don't assume a 1:8 will perform the same as 1:12 with 55gr.

I wouldn't change my 1:8 for a 1:12, but I hunt and I'm not worried about paper - I worry about holding MOA consistently. Just my thoughts on the matter. Hope I haven't done your head in.

TriggerPL

With quality ammo would most factory rifles not shoot moa at 100 yards with out going to the expense of different barrel !

Can u order factor rifle with different twists ?