Avensis Red Paint Problem

Posh Boy

Hi All,

My in-laws have an 05 Avensis (red) and lately the lacquer coating is bubbling up all over the car in patches. I've noticed a few others in recent weeks, all the same model, colour & year with the same problem.

They took it to a garage but were told it was not going to be repaired for them.

From my research it seems this can occur as a result of the first coat not being allowed to dry before the second coat goes on.

Just wondering if anyone else has this problem and what success they had with Toyota in getting it fixed.

sumo12

I would very much suspect that the car has been painted previously. Little or no paintwork problems from the factory on any modern cars.

colm_mcm

If you're talking the 03 to 08 model in solar red id be shocked if its a defect. I've seen heaps of these from when i sold them and never saw what you describe.
Id imagine it repaired at some stage.

What areas is it happening on?

Posh Boy

It's actually happening all over the car which is why I suspect a factory defect, that and I know someone at work with the same issue. Since they made me aware of it I have spotted at least 2 more with the same problem.

I believe they went to their local place about it but got no joy.

Where do they go next? It is clearly nothing they have done to the car as they've had it for years and never abused it.

colm_mcm

Are you the first owner?

Have someone independant look at it and measure the thickness of the paint. I'd put money on it being a respray,

On what grounds did toyota reject the claim?

OldmanMondeo

I have seen this happen on a 2001 Yaris. I know the year and model are way out, but I am sure I have seen other Toyota with the same problem.

colm_mcm

OldmanMondeo wrote: »

I have seen this happen on a 2001 Yaris. I know the year and model are way out, but I am sure I have seen other Toyota with the same problem.

Not sure if it counts but yaris is 3p0 red as is the celica and corolla, aygo and other Toyotas

Avensis is 3e5 i think

The missus has a red yaris on original paint and theres not one bit of paint gone wrong.

OldmanMondeo

colm_mcm wrote: »

Not sure if it counts but yaris is 3p0 red as is the celica and corolla, aygo and other Toyotas

Avensis is 3e5 i think

Sorry the Yaris was silver. I am sure I have seen other colour Toyotas with the same problem.

colm_mcm

OldmanMondeo wrote: »

Sorry the Yaris was silver. I am sure I have seen other colour Toyotas with the same problem.

I dunno I've seen plenty in for services when i was in the dealership and never noticed ones with all over problems, also can't really remember warranty work done over paint

Posh Boy

They're not the first owners but have had the car for several years and it's only developed lately.

They were told the car had never been in an accident etc. so a respray at any statge seems unlikely to be honest, they would have known about it.

It started on the bonnet but is now affecting the doors etc.

Not sure what Toyota said to them about it, will have to ask them at the weekend.

sofitalliah

colm_mcm wrote: »

If you're talking the 03 to 08 model in solar red id be shocked if its a defect. I've seen heaps of these from when i sold them and never saw what you describe.
Id imagine it repaired at some stage.

What areas is it happening on?

Funnily enough I have seen loads of them, it do appear to be a fault where the laquer peels off.

166man

As I read it, is it not a bit rich to be bringing an 8 year old flat red car back to the dealership and expecting them to cough up for it? You aren't the first owners, and have no real way of knowing how it was taken care of beforehand. The previous owner could have washed it with Fairy liquid 4 times a week and generally neglected it for the laquer to start peeling.

Mums Alfa Spider is 5 years old this year and is a flat red, there's small spots of laquer peeling around the car and we won't be running to the dealership asking them to pay for it! Obviously not entirely pleased with the spots but we'll get them fixed out if our own pocket.

I honestly don't mean to offend just giving my own view on the situation.

tin79

Maybe it was cleaned with too many abrasives or something else that was too harsh?

Red does seem to be a problem colour too you see flaking paint and awful discolouration on a fair number of red cars.

Posh Boy

I don't think it's a bit rich at all, I have an 11 year old car and the paint work is pristine on it and I have been pretty harsh with my cleaning of the car.

Toyota claim to be the best build cars in the world ........ they are just looking for them to back that claim up.

No matter how old the car is the paint should not deteriorate in this way especially in our climate. I can guarantee you that no harsh cleaning methods were applied to the car.

The bits that aren't bubbling up are perfect, no dulling of the paint at all. Thing is if they went to sell it now, nobody would want it, the car has been devalied as a result of an apparent manufacturing defect. I say apparent as they have no solid evidence of what happened with the car before they owned it, however the fact that others are reporting similar problems and I have seen a few of these myself would point to the fact that it is not isolated to their car alone.

colm_mcm

OP, is the paint peeling on the roof?

Posh Boy

Not sure about the roof, will have to have a look at the weekend. Does this make a significant difference?

tin79

Posh Boy wrote: »

I don't think it's a bit rich at all, I have an 11 year old car and the paint work is pristine on it and I have been pretty harsh with my cleaning of the car.

Toyota claim to be the best build cars in the world ........ they are just looking for them to back that claim up.

No matter how old the car is the paint should not deteriorate in this way especially in our climate. I can guarantee you that no harsh cleaning methods were applied to the car.

The bits that aren't bubbling up are perfect, no dulling of the paint at all. Thing is if they went to sell it now, nobody would want it, the car has been devalied as a result of an apparent manufacturing defect. I say apparent as they have no solid evidence of what happened with the car before they owned it, however the fact that others are reporting similar problems and I have seen a few of these myself would point to the fact that it is not isolated to their car alone.

No warranty runs to 8 years though. And you cant proove the previous ower didnt damage the paint in some way. Cant see you having any success with toyota on this one.

Posh Boy

I understand this but if you don't try you don't succeed. If they can prove it was never resprayed there may be some chance as it will have been a defect present from when the car was manufactured but we'll wait and see how this plays out.

RedDeadMarshal

it's red what do you expect? You don't buy a red car in a country like Ireland. That's what I learned.

Posh Boy

And this helps with their current situation how?

RedDeadMarshal

Posh Boy wrote: »

And this helps with their current situation how?

sell it the way it is and never again buy a red car if you look at all of them all the paint is faded no matter whether it's old or new

tin79

Posh Boy wrote: »

I understand this but if you don't try you don't succeed. If they can prove it was never resprayed there may be some chance as it will have been a defect present from when the car was manufactured but we'll wait and see how this plays out.

Go ahead and try but I would say save your time and effort. I cant see you gettign anywhere. Not with a cosmetic defect on an 8 year old car.

Even if you could prove it wasnt resprayed you cant prove that a previous owner didnt clean it with Mr Muscle and a brillo pad.

Its a pity but sometimes you have to live with these. Happened to me on my first car. It was green. Was fine for 3 years then one summer the laquer fell to bits.

Good luck with it anyway but I would be surprised if you met with success

tin79

RedDeadMarshal wrote: »

sell it the way it is and never again buy a red car if you look at all of them all the paint is faded no matter whether it's old or new

Not all i would say. Red beemers seem to do well.

Opels seem very prone to it. Others somewhere in the middle.

RedDeadMarshal

tin79 wrote: »

Not all i would say. Red beemers seem to do well.

Opels seem very prone to it. Others somewhere in the middle.

yea what's up with beemers? never saw a red one with faded paint unless it's an e30. Can't agree with opels though.

fabvinny

Red is a problem colour with Toyotas,have seen loads of them like that. I had a corolla myself that it happened to,if red isn't polished regular it fades very fast.

RedDeadMarshal

fabvinny wrote: »

Red is a problem colour with Toyotas,have seen loads of them like that. I had a corolla myself that it happened to,if red isn't polished regular it fades very fast.

yeah starlets yaris avensis you name them they all fade in colour

JohnBoy26

fabvinny wrote: »

Red is a problem colour with Toyotas,have seen loads of them like that. I had a corolla myself that it happened to,if red isn't polished regular it fades very fast.

So does the vast majority of old red cars however fading paint is not the issue the op has. It's the laquer that is peeling on the car.

colm_mcm

Posh Boy wrote: »

Not sure about the roof, will have to have a look at the weekend. Does this make a significant difference?

Yes in that the roof would escape supermarket scrapes and careless driving (you'd hope) and would be less likely to be resprayed. Its just as likely to get sun damage.
That would tell a lot.

Mollystar

I'm having the same problem with my 04 avensis the laquor is peeling off it all over the car.

I've seen a few cars the same. The cant all have been crashed!!! And resprayed!!

Mollystar

Mollystar wrote: »

I'm having the same problem with my 04 avensis the laquor is peeling off it all over the car.

I've seen a few cars the same. The cant all have been crashed!!! And resprayed!!

Is there anything that can be done.

biko

Red cars seems to be more trouble than others when it comes to paint fading but I'm not so sure about peeling.

So you've owned it since 2007? How was the paint then? Have you kept washing and waxing up?

ofcork

I like the op have a 04 avensis bought in 07 and the only problem with my paint is that it seemed to scratch easily.

L-M

Red is a bad colour to fade.

Toyota red is (or was, probably still is) the worst of the lot.

Ive seen a few being fully resprayed

Mollystar

Limerick man wrote: »

Red is a bad colour to fade.

Toyota red is (or was, probably still is) the worst of the lot.

Ive seen a few being fully resprayed

Its only after it peeled it faded though!

JohnBoy26

The laquer peel can effect some cars more than others and some colours more than others.

For example late 90's uk built hondas suffered a lot from this problem. It was obviously a problem some where in the factory's painting process as the Japanese and American built equivalent didn't seem to suffer half as much with peeling paint.

With regards to colours, the highest offender of peeling laquer in my experience is maroon. I seen many a maroon car with peeling laquer from almost all mainstream manufacturers.

The only real cure for this problem is to repaint the effected areas Imo.

Mar4ix

my '98 avensis red color stays as it should. no problems at all,,,

colm_mcm

any pictures of the roof OP?

Mollystar

colm_mcm wrote: »

any pictures of the roof OP?

Image of the roof

L-M

Mollystar wrote: »

Its only after it peeled it faded though!

Peel it all off so and polish it.

Then polish everyday for the rest ofbyour life, lol

Mollystar

Limerick man wrote: »

Peel it all off so and polish it.

Then polish everyday for the rest ofbyour life, lol

Ha dont think so!!!

Pulsating Star

I read in some paper lately some guy was trying to get in contact with as many red avensis owners as possible. It seems there was an issue with the painting of a certain amount of them and he was trying to get enough evidence together to try and get Toyota take it on board . I wil try and find it.

Mollystar

Pulsating Star wrote: »

I read in some paper lately some guy was trying to get in contact with as many red avensis owners as possible. It seems there was an issue with the painting of a certain amount of them and he was trying to get enough evidence together to try and get Toyota take it on board . I wil try and find it.

Hiya
Thanks for that but i actually seen the artical in the star today. I contacted the guy and hopefully somethin might be done

Cee-Jay-Cee

Limerick man wrote: »

Red is a bad colour to fade.

Toyota red is (or was, probably still is) the worst of the lot.

Ive seen a few being fully resprayed

No it's not, that title goes to Honda Milano red which goes pink within 3 or 4 years unless you wax the car heavily very regularly to protect the paint although lacquer peel does seem to effect red toyotas quite a bit. Can you imagine how bad they'd be if we got bright sunshine on a regular basis!!

ferrodo

I also have a red Avensis 04 with the lacquer lifting ...

Mollystar

ferrodo wrote: »

I also have a red Avensis 04 with the lacquer lifting ...

If u cant read the contact details in the attched photo let me know.

ferrodo

Mollystar wrote: »

If u cant read the contact details in the attched photo let me know.

Cheers for that....

Mollystar

ferrodo wrote: »

Cheers for that....

No prob hopefully they'll do somethin about it

Posh Boy

Hi,

Wouldn't mind getting in touch with that person from the paper also. Can someone pass on the contact details please?

Avns1s

Eamonn McGowan 085 <snip, numbers by PM>

Posh Boy

Just tried searching for the article online without success. I'd like to see what he is saying. Is there a link available anywhere?

Avns1s

Can you open the link in this post by Mollystar?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=86058176&postcount=16