Season 8 Episode 4 - Scar Tissue

gnfnrhead

A little better than last week, but not much. Seems to have gone down hill after a really good opener.

If Yates is indeed the brain surgeon, it was a bit of a crappy way to introduce him. I'm not so sure it will be him myself. Think he's a decoy and the real killer is still out there. Yates, while obviously a killer too, isnt the brain surgeon for me. He'll be lucky to make it past episode 6 in my book.

Also not a fan of Deb being involved in practically everything that is happening. Think the only thing she isnt involved with is Masuka. Everything else, I think, involves her in some way.

Hande hoche!

Fair

Would agree with you as regards Yates longevity. Not a bad episode overall, very Deb centric but glad they have introduced a plot line for Masuka. I feel compelled to buy a refreshing bottle of Pepsi.

TireeTerror

I feel that Im watching a different show.

As I watched this episode spiral even further into the depths of desperation, Ive now resigned myself to the fact I will just watch each episode and try and not groan out loud as each ridiculous plot line is revealed. I will only make myself rage!

The proof of this situation is that Im not even sitting on the edge of my seat as I watch the credits, wondering what is going to happen next. Instead of fearing Dexter will be caught and the series will end, Im actually wishing they would hurry up and save me wasting my data allowance donwloading it!

Bloc Party!

I thought this was one of the best episodes in a long time.Just imagined the end of dexter when deb tried to kill both of them and it was the last episode. Love Masuka aswell.

Rosy Posy

Poor

The Deb storyline is hacking me off. I know it's trying to show her conflicting feelings by trying to kill Dexter and then being compelled to save him but it came across weakly. That whole scene was fraught with inadequacies. Her relationship with Quinn is also ridiculous IMO- she says 'don't let Jaimie pass you by' before giving him a lingering hug and kiss, and conveniently neglects to assure him that she won't be calling him out of her bed at 4am or continually relying on him as a shoulder to cry on. In eight seasons they've managed to change a spunky savvy character that I really enjoyed to a sap who I wish would stop taking up screen time.

I still can't believe that Vogel has access to that kind of damning evidence on Dexter, that Deb can discover it and that Yates can hack into it so easily and that Dexter isn't completely paranoid about that- its hardly come up. The first rule of the code is don't get caught- surely this cache of evidence is the biggest threat to that that we've seen so far. I think Vogel is playing with fire as is Dexter by association. If he was a true psychopath the first thing he would have done would have been to destroy the evidence and kill Vogel.

When Dexter called Vogel from Yates' house and Yates was listening in I think that the fact that he mentioned Harrison is significant. While its been done before in DDK, I think that his closeness to Harrison makes him vulnerable and will be somehow instrumental in his downfall.

I agree that Yates seems weak as the brain surgeon but the evidence overwhelmingly suggests that it's so. I think that now that Yates knows Dexter is on to him he's going to be provoked into action of some sort leading to him controlling the situation and Dexter will be forced to react, pushing him out of his element.

Wurly

After this episode and after thinking back to all 4 episodes, they have well and truly lost it!! Last week was really good I thought. But this isn't the Dexter I know and love. It's a totally different show. The momentum is crap. It's so so so weak. Really disappointed.

vitani

Good

That was... unexpected. This is a weird season. We all know the story is going to have to conclude by the end of the season so it really just feels like we're twiddling our thumbs, waiting for that to happen.

I wonder if Jamie taking Dexter's SUV will become significant at all.

Also, Elroy. Future love interest for Deb or possible psychopath?

Backstreet Moyes

Thought it was a real weak scene where he tried to catch out Yates. He could have stayed outside and followed him to get him in a quiet spot. Instead he try's to get him in a public place.

Rosy Posy

Poor

Nuts102 wrote: »

Thought it was a real weak scene where he tried to catch out Yates. He could have stayed outside and followed him to get him in a quiet spot. Instead he try's to get him in a public place.

Exactly- how was he expecting to smuggle a large unconscious man who is presumably well known to the staff out of the nursing home. At this stage I need to stop cateloguing the numerous plot holes or its going to drive me nutty.

gnfnrhead

Fair

Rosy Posy wrote: »

I agree that Yates seems weak as the brain surgeon but the evidence overwhelmingly suggests that it's so. I think that now that Yates knows Dexter is on to him he's going to be provoked into action of some sort leading to him controlling the situation and Dexter will be forced to react, pushing him out of his element.

Yates seemed to only have female victims, the brain surgeon had male and female.

Also, his reaction to hearing Vogul on the phone. The brain surgeon already knows about her and Dexter, that reaction (to me anyway) seemed like he was only remembering Vogul rather than sending her packages.

pixelburp

Poor

I'll be honest, I kinda half-watched this week's episode, so that's probably not a good sign that this season is sucking me in, but what elements I did pay attention to were very disappointing. There are so many lapses of plotting and basic judgement from the characters by now that it's impossible to take this show seriously anymore. The Deb / Dex storyline isn't particularly interesting and it's frustrating to watch a character as previously confident and pro-active as Deb reduced to a victim.

Rosy Posy

Poor

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Yates seemed to only have female victims, the brain surgeon had male and female.

Also, his reaction to hearing Vogul on the phone. The brain surgeon already knows about her and Dexter, that reaction (to me anyway) seemed like he was only remembering Vogul rather than sending her packages.

So why would he have the bone saws and the surgery diagrams? I thought that the way he said 'so Vogel's found herself a hero' made it seem like she was his nemesis.

whitewave

vitani wrote: »

I wonder if Jamie taking Dexter's SUV will become significant at all.

I wondered about that aswell, seeing as the writers like to spell out everything so clearly, wonder if they were trying to get us ready for an upcoming "twist" wtih Jamie getting kidnapped or something?

That final scene with the car crash/drowning was ridiculous. Seemed like a poor attempt to add drama to the episode, I doubt anyone for even a second was worried that either Deb or Dex wouldn't make it.

gnfnrhead

Fair

Rosy Posy wrote: »

So why would he have the bone saws and the surgery diagrams? I thought that the way he said 'so Vogel's found herself a hero' made it seem like she was his nemesis.

There was something done on him. He could have been trying to figure out what, hence the diagrams. I have a hard time believing a brain surgeon killer needs a step by step drawing.

snausages

This has entered fanfiction.net territory now.

Rosy Posy

Poor

gnfnrhead wrote: »

There was something done on him. He could have been trying to figure out what, hence the diagrams. I have a hard time believing a brain surgeon killer needs a step by step drawing.

Well unless they're an actual brain surgeon, which would make ridiculously easy to catch- its a pretty specialised field and I doubt Vogel had a number on her books, then the brain surgeon killer will need some kind of direction. I agree that it's weak and lazy plot work but I'd be very surprised if Yates turns out to be another red herring.

Backstreet Moyes

I really expected an explosive last season after a fairly poor season 7. But i just find myself hitting my head against the wall with some of the scenes. It is lazy and what made Dexter great has just gone. The days of getting up on a Monday morning with excitement to watch it are gone. I think it would be a lazy way out if Yates is the brain surgeon. He just doesn't appeal to me as at all but not much about this show does anymore. I really expect Deb's new boss to turn out bad in some way.

I really think the ending will involve Quinn. They keep going on about the sergeant exam and he is still in love with Deb. He will probably figure it all out and let Deb and Dexter sail away into the sunset over his love for her.

It is a pity because the show used to be brilliant. Season 1 and especially season 4 are two of the best seasons i saw ever.

snausages

pixelburp wrote: »

I'll be honest, I kinda half-watched this week's episode, so that's probably not a good sign that this season is sucking me in, but what elements I did pay attention to were very disappointing. There are so many lapses of plotting and basic judgement from the characters by now that it's impossible to take this show seriously anymore. The Deb / Dex storyline isn't particularly interesting and it's frustrating to watch a character as previously confident and pro-active as Deb reduced to a victim.

I was tuning out a lot as well. I'm actually more interested in Masuka's daughter than any other plotline this season.

I wish now they saved the Vogel reveal for the end of the season because it's just a completely stupid plotline.

Psychedelic

Fair

whitewave wrote: »

That final scene with the car crash/drowning was ridiculous. Seemed like a poor attempt to add drama to the episode, I doubt anyone for even a second was worried that either Deb or Dex wouldn't make it.

Yeah, I thought the same, that scene was definitely just thrown in to try have something exciting happen to end the episode.

Also, what was Deb actually trying to do, kill Dexter and not herself? Fairly stupid considering there was no way she could know that Dexter would die in the crash and she'd live, it could easily be the other way around. You'd think she figure out a better way to kill him and cover her tracks.

And then Deb immediately changed her mind and saved Dexter which was also stupid. Add in the fact there was no drama as we knew that Dexter was never going to die in this scene.

vitani

Good

Psychedelic wrote: »

Yeah, I thought the same, that scene was definitely just thrown in to try have something exciting happen to end the episode.

Also, what was Deb actually trying to do, kill Dexter and not herself? Fairly stupid considering there was no way she could know that Dexter would die in the crash and she'd live, it could easily be the other way around. You'd think she figure out a better way to kill him and cover her tracks.

And then Deb immediately changed her mind and saved Dexter which was also stupid. Add in the fact there was no drama as we knew that Dexter was never going to die in this scene.

She was trying to kill both of them. You could tell there was something off with her as she was weirdly calm and pleasant to Dexter, and that scene with Quinn was essentially a goodbye scene from her perspective.

I don't think the drama was supposed to come from wondering if Deb & Dexter would survive, but from the fact that she tried to kill both of them in the first place.

The immediate regret and saving of Dexter kind of undermined it for me though, but hopefully it will be explained better next week.

Psychedelic

Fair

If she was trying to kill both of them then it's even worse, why not just use her gun to kill Dexter and then kill herself? And again she couldn't know that it would kill them both, or that she could've died and Dexter lived.

whitewave

vitani wrote: »

She was trying to kill both of them. You could tell there was something off with her as she was weirdly calm and pleasant to Dexter, and that scene with Quinn was essentially a goodbye scene from her perspective.

I actually liked the slight build-up in that we could tell Deb was going to do something drastic by the way she was suddenly so calm. Was sure she was going to kill herself, leaving Dexter in a state of inner turmoil and all that jazz, adn at least giving the viewers a proper shock...but no. Instead we got a 2 minute crap scene where we were never worried that either of them would die!

FearDark

I am so ****ing sick of this show, just hurry up and end it. It isn't a patch on what it used to be.

Also, Deb... seriously I don't even care.

gnfnrhead

Fair

whitewave wrote: »

I actually liked the slight build-up in that we could tell Deb was going to do something drastic by the way she was suddenly so calm. Was sure she was going to kill herself, leaving Dexter in a state of inner turmoil and all that jazz, adn at least giving the viewers a proper shock...but no. Instead we got a 2 minute crap scene where we were never worried that either of them would die!

I think it would have been much better later on in the season. No way either of them were dieing after a third of the season.

Do that in episode 10, but have Dexter go back for Deb and dont show them coming straight back up. With only a couple of episodes left it would have been a maybe scenario instead of the no chance scenario we had.

Reddit says the title of the final episode is

Dan Made Me Do It

. Hopefully they are not going to be that obvious.

mahamageehad

When Deb did her little goodbye scene with Quinn then smiled and walked up to Dex I seriously thought that she was going to blow her own head off there and then in the car park. Would've injected a bit of life into this episode and the season in general. I feel like I'm only watching now just to see how it finishes, not coz I've any particular interest in any of the plot lines.

Yates as the brain surgeon... I still don't buy it! He's a creep and a killer true enough. But I think they're making it *too* obvious that it's him. Although the writing has gotten bad enough lately that that could be true! I think Vogel is just using Dexter to clean up her creepy psychopath experiments from the past!

Bloc Party!

gnfnrhead wrote: »

I think it would have been much better later on in the season. No way either of them were dieing after a third of the season.

Do that in episode 10, but have Dexter go back for Deb and dont show them coming straight back up. With only a couple of episodes left it would have been a maybe scenario instead of the no chance scenario we had.

Reddit says the title of the final episode is

Dan Made Me Do It

. Hopefully they are not going to be that obvious.

Typed in

Dan Made Me Do It

into google and this came up.. Its very similar to dexters story isnt it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Morgan_(bushranger)

John Fuller was adopted by a man known as "Jack the Welshman

a nursemaid to their baby Christina, was allowed to leave the room to attend to the infant. She escaped from the station and told Mr Rutherford, the co-owner of the property, of the hold-up.

He was shot once in the back, just above the shoulder blade, by John Windlaw (also reported as Quinlan), a station employee

Maybe im completely off the mark though

gnfnrhead

Fair

Bloc Party! wrote: »

Typed in

Dan Made Me Do It

into google and this came up.. Its very similar to dexters story isnt it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Morgan_(bushranger)

John Fuller was adopted by a man known as "Jack the Welshman

a nursemaid to their baby Christina, was allowed to leave the room to attend to the infant. She escaped from the station and told Mr Rutherford, the co-owner of the property, of the hold-up.

He was shot once in the back, just above the shoulder blade, by John Windlaw (also reported as Quinlan), a station employee

Maybe im completely off the mark though

Dan is the name of Harrison's imaginary friend (or elephant) from this episode. I'm thinking it's Harrison's dark passenger due to what happened with Rita.

The title is very often said in the episode. Not sure if it is always said, but I've often noticed it. I'm thinking Harrison kills someone or something in the final episode.

Napper Hawkins

This show is still going?! Jesus, I gave up on it after S2 as I thought it was getting really ****ing daft!

Season 8? Did it seriously get any better since I stopped watching?

Honest question, not trolling.

SureYWouldntYa

Fair

Napper Hawkins wrote: »

This show is still going?! Jesus, I gave up on it after S2 as I thought it was getting really ****ing daft!

Season 8? Did it seriously get any better since I stopped watching?

Honest question, not trolling.

skip season 3, maybe read about it if you want to stay up to date. watch season 4, as good as it can get. dont watch after season 4, not worth your while most the time

gnfnrhead

Fair

Napper Hawkins wrote: »

This show is still going?! Jesus, I gave up on it after S2 as I thought it was getting really ****ing daft!

Season 8? Did it seriously get any better since I stopped watching?

Honest question, not trolling.

Season 3 was pretty bad.
Season 4 was one of the best ever.
Season 5 was okay.
Season 6 was very bad.
Season 7 was good.
Season 8 so far is meh.

1 & 4 were the best.

Napper Hawkins

Suppose I might give old D another chance so, god knows I've no Thrones or Walking Dead to keep me going for the next while.

Now that I think about it, I did watch season 3 and thought it was complete ****, probably the reason why I stopped watching.

Cheers for the reply folks!

Rosy Posy

Poor

Napper Hawkins wrote: »

Suppose I might give old D another chance so, god knows I've no Thrones or Walking Dead to keep me going for the next while.

Now that I think about it, I did watch season 3 and thought it was complete ****, probably the reason why I stopped watching.

Cheers for the reply folks!

I stopped watching after season 3 too- it got so formulaic. I really enjoyed seasons 1 & 2. I just caught up on 4-7 last year and now I feel invested to see it through to the end. I'm also missing GoT and filling time til Breaking Bad. I thought season 4 was great, season 5 ok, season 6 awful (as bad as this one is shaping up to be) and season 7 good mostly because of Hannah (isn't she supposed to be back in this season?) and the development of Deb's storyline.

Paully D

Season 4 is arguably the best season of TV ever.

Mr.Crinklewood

"I've just never been this happy to get back a positive test" - fantastic line.

Loved the laughter between Masuka and his daughter.

gnfnrhead

Fair

Mr.Crinklewood wrote: »

"I've just never been this happy to get back a positive test" - fantastic line.

Speaking of that, does anyone else think Batista cheated for Quinn? He was clueless the day before and then gets 85(?)% on the test?

RVD420

Fair

What about the other police officer who's running for sergeant? A bit of a nothing character imo, is her only purpose to run against Quinn for the sergeant position?
I had a thought the other night that they may go all "Scream" on us and have her turn out to be Doakes' sister. Highly unlikely though....

Lovely Bloke

RVD420 wrote: »

I had a thought the other night that they may go all "Scream" on us and have her turn out to be Doakes' sister.

Ha! That would be awesome!

RVD420 wrote: »

Highly unlikely though....

With these writers it's not unlikely in the slightest. Unfortunately.

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jos28

Fair

Been a Dexter fan since season 1 but I really have lost interest at this stage. Gone are the days when you'd be glued to the seat watching and then dying for the next episode. Not any more, like other posters I am just waiting for them to wrap it all up. It could have just ended with the scene in the car and game over.
I think the Vogel character is so unrealistic. Anyone else wondering if Harry is still alive somewhere ?

Merkin

Poor

I am just so fed up with this now. It would have been good if Debs killed herself and would have injected some much needed sensationalism to the show but it's all just one long, unbelievably tedious snore fest at this stage.

I hate the way the script writers never bothered to address LaGuerta's shooting in any depth - all of the script writing is lazy, full of holes and working off the premise that the audience are idiots.

I also really hate Dexter - I just wish someone would put him on a slab and tie him up with plastic asap. I really wish they hadn't killed the Trinity Killer as I'd have loved to have seen him come back and be the one to end it for Dexter once and for all. And Vogel is just like a pantomime baddy.

It lost it's way after Series 5 - watching it just seems like a chore now rather than the show I used to absolutely love

FearDark

Much better than previous weeks but a long long way off being a good show anymore. Im at the stage where i dont care what happens and the show is clearly going nowhere which leads me to believe there will be a huge twist in the last episode and im afraid to say it its so bad.

loveisdivine

FearDark wrote: »

Much better than previous weeks but a long long way off being a good show anymore. Im at the stage where i dont care what happens and the show is clearly going nowhere which leads me to believe there will be a huge twist in the last episode and im afraid to say it its so bad.

I get that feeling too. Its annoying cos a final season should be about ending things. Tying up loose ends and giving the viewers real closure.