Setanta Card / Box Pairing

Bubonic

Hi,

I have a combo receiver that I have been using for Saorview/Freesat.

I have read how Sky are pairing their cards with the box in some way. I was
thinking of getting a Setanta card now and I was wondering will that work
with a non-sky box. I assume as I would be picking it up on 28 e that it would
still use NDS and so on. I really don't want to have to get a sky sub if at all possible.

mickko

Won't work with a non-Sky box. Even though it's Setanta's service, the encryption techniques, and the viewing card you use belongs to Sky.
Essentially what you're looking for is an NDS cam you can slot into the combo.
This is a big NO-NO in Sky's rulebook.
But you don't have to get a sky sub, you just contact Setanta, and they should arrange viewing card from sky.

Bubonic

Thanks for the info, sounds like I would have to get a sky box though, which won't do Saorview.

So I am better off getting a sky freeview card and add a setanta sub to it?

Tom Hanks

It will work in linux-based boxes with 3rd party software on them.

Can't get into that area though because of the rules.

Bubonic

Tom Hanks wrote: »

It will work in linux-based boxes with 3rd party software on them.

Can't get into that area though because of the rules.

Are you sure it will still work with the changes going on now. I thought every card will be locked to a box once inserted into it.

I am slowly heading towards a motorised dish.

Kristopherus

The Setanta card will work on the likes of the Ferguson Ariva boxes. There are big threads on the Terrestial Forum on the Ariva 120, 150 & 250. Have a look there.

Johnboy1951

Kristopherus wrote: »

The Setanta card will work on the likes of the Ferguson Ariva boxes. There are big threads on the Terrestial Forum on the Ariva 120, 150 & 250. Have a look there.

+1

I am using one and have been for some time.

I checked with Setanta at the time and confirmed they do not require the customer to use any particular hardware for their card.

I don't have any of their paid services but there are a few other services made available with the card (Sony etc).


I cannot imagine the make/model of the hardware makes any difference, provided a suitable card slot is present.

Bubonic

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

+1

I am using one and have been for some time.

I checked with Setanta at the time and confirmed they do not require the customer to use any particular hardware for their card.

I don't have any of their paid services but there are a few other services made available with the card (Sony etc).


I cannot imagine the make/model of the hardware makes any difference, provided a suitable card slot is present.

I didn't realise it made some other channels work, is there a list up somewhere?

lertsnim

I had a Setanta subscription working perfectly in a Technomate receiver. Wasn't a linux based receiver either.

icdg

Remember that viewing cards for Setanta, although they are requested by Setanta, ARE Sky Digital viewing cards and the terms and conditions of service apply equally to these cards.

Discussion on how to circumvent Sky's terms and conditions is not allowed here.

Johnboy1951

icdg wrote: »

Remember that viewing cards for Setanta, although they are requested by Setanta, ARE Sky Digital viewing cards and the terms and conditions of service apply equally to these cards.
.......

Not according to Setanta.

If you have documentation to show Setanta are wrong I would dearly love to see it.

I may use my Setanta issued card in any STB I wish ....... and if it were subject to Sky's terms & conditions that would not be allowed.
Therefore those Ts&Cs do not apply.

*****

If you check you will find I posted about this same thing back in nov/dec 2011.

I asked for clarification from Setanta on the matter, at that time (29th Nov 2011), and received a response which was a little ambiguous due to terminology (referring to Sat reception as Sky digital) and subsequently received a clarification - second quoted email.

Thank you for contacting Setanta Sports.

We can clarify that the FTA card supplied can be used in any equipment
that allows you to receive Sky Digital services. The box itself does not
need to be a Sky branded device. There are several brands of Sky
Digital box available and the card supplied to you should be compatible
with these boxes.

I hope the information provided has clarified any concerns you may have
had, however If we can be of any further assistance, please do not
hesitate to contact our customer service team and one of my colleagues
will be happy to help. We are open from 9:30am to 6pm, Monday to Saturday.

Regards

Customer Services Department
Setanta Sports

Thank you for contacting Setanta Sports.
We are happy to advise that the sky digital does mean a satellite box. It would be fine to use your Ferguson box as longs its works through your satellite connection ie sky dish.

I hope the information provided has clarified any concerns you may have
had, however If we can be of any further assistance, please do not
hesitate to contact our customer service team and one of my colleagues
will be happy to help.

We are open from 9:30am to 6pm, Monday to Saturday.

Regards

Customer Services Department
Setanta Sports

The situation is quite clear.

The card issued by Setanta can be used without worries in my Ferguson STB or any other STB I choose.

It is therefore not subject to Sky's Terms & Conditions.

I hope that clarifies the matter for everyone.

Bubonic

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Not according to Setanta.

If you have documentation to show Setanta are wrong I would dearly love to see it.

I may use my Setanta issued card in any STB I wish ....... and if it were subject to Sky's terms & conditions that would not be allowed.
Therefore those Ts&Cs do not apply.

*****

If you check you will find I posted about this same thing back in nov/dec 2011.

I asked for clarification from Setanta on the matter, at that time (29th Nov 2011), and received a response which was a little ambiguous due to terminology (referring to Sat reception as Sky digital) and subsequently received a clarification - second quoted email.






The situation is quite clear.

The card issued by Setanta can be used without worries in my Ferguson STB or any other STB I choose.

It is therefore not subject to Sky's Terms & Conditions.

I hope that clarifies the matter for everyone.

Thanks for the information, that is great news.

byte

The initial question though, was to whether the NDS cards would continue to work in Linux or Ferg/TM box after Sky/NDS roll out the new wave of security measures, which are supposedly to occur before year's end.

I read it's only to affect HD channels initially and gradually roll out across the board (and was to affect the old Thomson Sky+HD boxes which will not be able to handle "the change").

STB

byte wrote: »

The initial question though, was to whether the NDS cards would continue to work in Linux or Ferg/TM box after Sky/NDS roll out the new wave of security measures, which are supposedly to occur before year's end.

I read it's only to affect HD channels initially and gradually roll out across the board (and was to affect the old Thomson Sky+HD boxes which will not be able to handle "the change").

Yes I gather that is the grasp of it byte.

Ferguson boxes cant update entitlements for Sky cards anyhow so you would be forever switching them back and forth every few months.

Either way the card marrying will end all third party boxes and Sky cards.

I am curious as to how long the entitlements are on those Setanta cards. How do they receive EMMs if the card isnt in a proper environment. They will just stop working and have to be reactivated some day. They cannot be openended.

kooga

quick question. can one get the setanta package legally without a sky box, will any decoder suffice?
tks

frank50

Can you subscribe to Setanta/BT with an Ariva 120 combo box. 20 euros seems a pretty reasonable price per month in my opinion.

kooga

frank50 wrote: »

Can you subscribe to Setanta/BT with an Ariva 120 combo box. 20 euros seems a pretty reasonable price per month in my opinion.

I agree have a combo box myself and would happy pay €20 a month for a bit of epl and rugby

kooga

paulboland wrote: »

Yes if your TV has a card slot for this purpose like freesat/freeview TV
Setanta have info on there UK site for this but not sure if they do this in Ireland

any link cant seem to find anything.

Johnboy1951

STB wrote: »

Yes I gather that is the grasp of it byte.

Ferguson boxes cant update entitlements for Sky cards anyhow so you would be forever switching them back and forth every few months.

Either way the card marrying will end all third party boxes and Sky cards.

I am curious as to how long the entitlements are on those Setanta cards. How do they receive EMMs if the card isnt in a proper environment. They will just stop working and have to be reactivated some day. They cannot be openended.

If this change only applies to HD channels from Sky, why would it make any difference to a Setanta card which is supposed to allow reception of very limited content?

My card has not been in any other box except the Ariva since I got it.
Setanta cannot issue a card under the scheme which would force me to use a particular service or equipment. They have to provide the content FTV. (personally I believe they should be obliged to provide the content FTA so no cards are necessary as I believe the requirement for a card slot is contrary to the original intention of the scheme)

To require a particular device or service to receive their content would be contrary to the scheme ...... of course they could withdraw from the scheme altogether and not get the funding that goes with it.
Is that likely?

batistuta9

paulboland wrote: »

Yes if your TV has a card slot for this purpose like freesat/freeview TV
Setanta have info on there UK site for this but not sure if they do this in Ireland

would it work on a satellite box with a CAM slot & S** card?

kooga

paulboland wrote: »

No that option is no longer available
it used to be but setanta uk no longer operate

As of now its only available
if you
have 1 of the following
Sky box
Upc box
Eircom Broadband

perfect case closed

batistuta9

paulboland wrote: »

No that option is no longer available
it used to be but setanta uk no longer operate

As of now its only available
if you
have 1 of the following
Sky box
Upc box
Eircom Broadband

why are setanta uk needed?

can the boxes not read sky cards with a sub on them?

STB

paulboland wrote: »

Sorry This is no longer possible
Setanta only available from

Sky
UPC
Eircom

They have done away with card for Freeview and Freesat

You sure ?

byte

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

If this change only applies to HD channels from Sky, why would it make any difference to a Setanta card which is supposed to allow reception of very limited content?

Well, it's only supposed to affect HD channels initially, before being rolled out across the board, though God knows what sort of time-frame.

Would it affect BT Sport1 HD and Sport 2 HD, which would be on the Setanta pack?

Is there anything written on the Page that the viewing card is stuck to, like "this remains the property of Sky/Setanta/NDS" or does it have a small print section? I'm curious.

STB

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

If this change only applies to HD channels from Sky, why would it make any difference to a Setanta card which is supposed to allow reception of very limited content?

My card has not been in any other box except the Ariva since I got it.
Setanta cannot issue a card under the scheme which would force me to use a particular service or equipment. They have to provide the content FTV. (personally I believe they should be obliged to provide the content FTA so no cards are necessary as I believe the requirement for a card slot is contrary to the original intention of the scheme)

To require a particular device or service to receive their content would be contrary to the scheme ...... of course they could withdraw from the scheme altogether and not get the funding that goes with it.
Is that likely?

Good question and one for you to go back to Setanta on.

I reckon that the answer was specifically in regard to the FTV card not the subscription card which utilises NDS encryption and requires a proprietary Sky box.

I am fully in agreement with you on the FTV card. If they are receiving monies from the BAI Sound & Vision scheme they must satisfy the requirements for easy reception, ie not limited to those with proprietary subscription boxes. Ger Roe raised this some time ago and was dead right.

I think we may find that those FTV cards issued by Setanta dont require EMMs/updates and are for a set duration, hence why you can use them in any old box that has a CI.

Anyone coming into this thread is going to pick up on the standalone FTV Setanta card as being the same as the subscription Setanta Card which are not the one and the same. You need a Sky box for that (just in case we have people running off to subscribe on an Ariva ).

STB

icdg wrote: »

We've had this argument in a thread over in Satellite, no need to reprise it here please.

It is clear to me that 2 different things were being talked about (in that other thread).

1) Subscribing to Setanta
2) availing of the FTV card scheme.

which makes perfect sense as one requires Setanta complying with their (or rather NDS and Sky's) encryption terms with Sky. The other does not.

Arguing. That would never happen here.

batistuta9

paulboland wrote: »

Setanta
only available if you have a
SKY box and a sky card and subscribe with Setanta
or
Upc
or
Eircom broadband

them boxes are not able to decode it, is it?

i have a sky box, card but have cancelled the sub, so can sub. to setanta but without the functionality of the sky box i was thinking of getting a linux box that does the same (record, etc.) and viewing setanta on that but it definitely won't work then?

muffler

paulboland wrote: »

Setanta
Sky Box only works with a sky card and subscription

Subscription with who? Sky or Setanta?

batistuta9

paulboland wrote: »

If you have a Sky box and Sky Card that's not active it wont work as you need an active sky card to subscribe to Setanta

how sure are you on that?

muffler

paulboland wrote: »

Setanta
Sky Box only works with a sky card and subscription
if you have a Sky Card and Sky Box with sky Subscription

Then you get a subscription with Setanta

If you have a Sky box and Sky Card that's not active it wont work as you need an active sky card to subscribe to Setanta

That's 100% wrong so you need to check your facts before making the same claim repeatedly.

I raised this very issue with Setanta and this is the relevant part of their response

Dear muffler,


Thank you for contacting Setanta Sports.

We are delighted to advise that you are still able to recieve the Setanta Sports package, all you need is the relevant equipment such as the sky box, sky viewing card and dish.

Johnboy1951

STB wrote: »

Good question and one for you to go back to Setanta on.

I reckon that the answer was specifically in regard to the FTV card not the subscription card which utilises NDS encryption and requires a proprietary Sky box.

I am fully in agreement with you on the FTV card. If they are receiving monies from the BAI Sound & Vision scheme they must satisfy the requirements for easy reception, ie not limited to those with proprietary subscription boxes. Ger Roe raised this some time ago and was dead right.

I think we may find that those FTV cards issued by Setanta dont require EMMs/updates and are for a set duration, hence why you can use them in any old box that has a CI.

Anyone coming into this thread is going to pick up on the standalone FTV Setanta card as being the same as the subscription Setanta Card which are not the one and the same. You need a Sky box for that (just in case we have people running off to subscribe on an Ariva ).

Certainly, if the Setanta card ever stops working in the Ariva, I will revert to Setanta and demand to know why.
That situation has not arisen since 2011 so maybe it is not set even for a time period.
I would expect that Setanta might need to re-issue cards if something Sky does impacts on the Setanta card, but that would be a rare event.

The Setanta card uses NDS decryption but apparently does not require any 'renewal' ..... which is apparently necessary for Sky cards.

They could eliminate the need for a card & CI slot, by broadcasting the S&V content in the clear.
That would be preferable for the user, but of course would not do any advertising for Setanta .... as in providing an opportunity for them to encourage users to pay for their other content.

What would help people reading to differentiate between Sky & Setanta cards would be for everyone to stop referring to the Setanta card as a Sky card as they are not the same and are not issued under the same conditions (regardless the Sky brand on the Setanta card).

Maybe the distinction between Setanta FTV & Setanta sub card needs to be highlighted better.

regards.

Bubonic

STB wrote: »

Good question and one for you to go back to Setanta on.

I reckon that the answer was specifically in regard to the FTV card not the subscription card which utilises NDS encryption and requires a proprietary Sky box.

I am fully in agreement with you on the FTV card. If they are receiving monies from the BAI Sound & Vision scheme they must satisfy the requirements for easy reception, ie not limited to those with proprietary subscription boxes. Ger Roe raised this some time ago and was dead right.

I think we may find that those FTV cards issued by Setanta dont require EMMs/updates and are for a set duration, hence why you can use them in any old box that has a CI.

Anyone coming into this thread is going to pick up on the standalone FTV Setanta card as being the same as the subscription Setanta Card which are not the one and the same. You need a Sky box for that (just in case we have people running off to subscribe on an Ariva ).

Hi,

This is exactly what I am trying to get the bottom of.

I have emailed Setanta but no answer so far.

lertsnim

I have had it working with a non Sky box and Sky viewing card so a Sky box is not needed at all

batistuta9

lertsnim wrote: »

I have had it working with a non Sky box and Sky viewing card so a Sky box is not needed at all

What type of boxes are capable of doing that, them all?

muffler

paulboland wrote: »

sky box, sky viewing card and dish.
SKY box and a sky card and subscribe with Setanta
That's the same do you not understand that
Please do not ever again quote me wrong again
or
Upc
or
Eircom broadband
That what I have said

and please refrain from sending me multiple PMs.

You stated clearly that a Sky subscription is needed when it fact it isnt


here you go

paulboland wrote: »

Setanta
Sky Box only works with a sky card and subscription
if you have a Sky Card and Sky Box with sky Subscription

Then you get a subscription with Setanta

If you have a Sky box and Sky Card that's not active it wont work as you need an active sky card to subscribe to Setanta

paulboland

icdg wrote: »

Paulboland and muffler drop this now. As it is you will both be getting infractions for ignoring my last post when I get back to a PC I can issue them on. If there are any more posts on this issue from either of you by that time it will be bans I will be issuing instead. The issue of viewing cards is now off topic for this thread - there's a thread over in Satellite it can be discussed in and all of those posts will be moved there later.

Ok sorry about that will leave it at that

L1011

paulboland wrote: »

Note Setanta use to supply you with a sky freesat card and then it could be made active and then be used to subscribe to Setanta but that was in the uk only

No, it wasn't. You are horribly misinformed here and I have no idea why you're so unwilling to accept correction. I can dig up details of my short-ish lived subscription to them, which was done on a nothing-but-Setanta card. In Ireland.

First salesperson couldn't figure out what I wanted but their supervisor could, arrived in the post a week later.

Remember that Setanta Ireland can also provide you a card that decodes only Setanta Ireland and only when its showing Film Board funded content. They have never lost their ability to issue cards.

kooga

lads just rang setanta

setanta on satellite is only available on a sky box. you do not need to be a sky subscriber

yes setanta can issue you with their own card but this will only work in a skybox and not on a fta decoder with a cam.

Bubonic

So here is a standard response I got from Setanta Customer Services:

Thank you for contacting Setanta Sports.

Unfortunately we are unable to broadcast the channels through a freesat box, it would have to be a satellite sky box.

Setanta Sports brings you exclusively live Barclays Premier League football on Saturdays at 3pm, UEFA Champions League and Europa League football, French Top 14 and RaboDirect Pro 12 Rugby, every Formula 1 race live, exclusively live golf from the Masters and the Open, GAA hurling and football. We would love you to continue to enjoy all this and more.

If we can be of any further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact our customer service team on 0818 20 30 40 (from the Republic of Ireland) or 08712 770393 (from Northern Ireland) and one of my colleagues will be happy to help.

We are open from 9:30am to 6pm, Monday to Saturday.

marco2068

paulboland wrote: »

Setanta
Sky Box only works with a sky card and subscription
if you have a Sky Card and Sky Box with sky Subscription

Then you get a subscription with Setanta

If you have a Sky box and Sky Card that's not active it wont work as you need an active sky card to subscribe to Setanta

thats what i'm doing at the moment, I've just got a second hand skyhd box and just pay the setanta sub. I was actually with them to see nascar but o think it's great an irish company is coming up with the goods eventually.

It cost me 55€ for the box,remote and hdmi cable. Setanta will send you out a card.

20€ a month for 5sports channels and also motors tv (i also watch some lower league nascar on this) and all the ftv channels. vs €32 + €35 +€5 for access to sky sports in hd €73.

icdg

All the Setanta card posts from the BT Sport thread have been moved here. I'm keeping an eye on this thread - **please keep it civil please** or it will be closed.

Tom Hanks

marco2068 wrote: »

thats what i'm doing at the moment, I've just got a second hand skyhd box and just pay the setanta sub. I was actually with them to see nascar but o think it's great an irish company is coming up with the goods eventually.

It cost me 55€ for the box,remote and hdmi cable. Setanta will send you out a card.

20€ a month for 5sports channels and also motors tv (i also watch some lower league nascar on this) and all the ftv channels. vs €32 + €35 +€5 for access to sky sports in hd €73.

Just to add to this, my card is opening Liverpool TV too.

Tom Hanks

paulboland wrote: »

Note Setanta use to supply you with a sky freesat card and then it could be made active and then be used to subscribe to Setanta but that was in the uk only
Setanta UK is no longer in operation

I would suggest to those who don't have a active sky card to contact Setanta Ireland if they can supply you with a card
Setanta Ireland might have this option but as far as I know they don't

A non active Sky card will not work it must be a active card yes you don't need a subscription with sky but the card must be a active card

Setanta had no issue ordering me a card from Sky so I could view there channels.

All you do is ask stating you have no card but a Sky Box to hopefully view their channels on it.

kooga

guys
i'm i correct in saying that if you don't have a sky sub you cannot save to the hard drive or use series link on the sky box?

taking the info above i will opt to get a second hand sky box and get a setanta sub, so as having never been a sky subsciber what sky box should i get?

tks

Johnboy1951

kooga wrote: »

lads just rang setanta

setanta on satellite is only available on a sky box. you do not need to be a sky subscriber

yes setanta can issue you with their own card but this will only work in a skybox and not on a fta decoder with a cam.

I have a Setanta issued card for their FTV broadcasts, so do not pay any sub.

I cannot speak to Setanta issued cards with sub, but those without sub for the FTV broadcasts most definitely work in any STB with a compatible card slot.

Furthermore, Setanta does not require me to use any particular STB, and in fact I have been using a Ferguson Ariva 120 since I received the card in 2011.

I realise that threads have been merged, so I suggest you refer back to a previous post of mine which quotes from emails I received from Setanta on the matter.

We need to be very specific when referring to cards ..... Setanta issued FTV or Setanta issued subscription.

I know the situation with the FTV cards, and having communicated with Setanta I am inclined to believe that if I took out a sub I could continue to use the card in my Ariva 120.

basill

Looking at ditching sky and getting a Linux based box - probably an Amiko Alien triple. If I avail of a setanta FTV card under the BAI scheme will it give me the rte tv3 and tg4 channels that I would have otherwise had to get by putting up another aerial? If so will save me a lot of hassle.

Johnboy1951

basill wrote: »

Looking at ditching sky and getting a Linux based box - probably an Amiko Alien triple. If I avail of a setanta FTV card under the BAI scheme will it give me the rte tv3 and tg4 channels that I would have otherwise had to get by putting up another aerial? If so will save me a lot of hassle.

No, the card is issued ONLY to permit you to receive broadcasts under the Broadcasting Authority of Ireland Sound & Vision Scheme.

For anything else you require a subscription ..... although a few channels might be decrypted by the card, such as Sony movies etc, that is incidental and not part of the card's purpose.

kooga

quick question

i don't have a sky box. to get setanta would it be as simple as getting a sky box second hand ringing setanta and getting a subscription card from them for the sport, popping it in and off i go with the sports?

basill

Johnboy - cheers. What a shame would have been easy enough to make it a precondition of getting the BAI funding by making the providers carry the Irish channels on their FTV cards and save people having to run cable etc. Bit like the white cards in the UK. So much for being all green.

muffler

kooga wrote: »

quick question

i don't have a sky box. to get setanta would it be as simple as getting a sky box second hand ringing setanta and getting a subscription card from them for the sport, popping it in and off i go with the sports?

That appears to be the best way to do it.

Johnboy1951

kooga wrote: »

quick question

i don't have a sky box. to get setanta would it be as simple as getting a sky box second hand ringing setanta and getting a subscription card from them for the sport, popping it in and off i go with the sports?

In your case I would check with Setanta whether their card will work for subscription services in hardware devices other than those provided by Sky.

I suspect it would, but don't have personal experience.
They enable transmission to their cards from their own end, IIUC, on foot of a phone call from the user.

So maybe you will have a wider choice than just old Sky boxes.

The main difficulty dealing with customer services in Setanta appears to be terminology.
Any time I have communicated with them "Satellite" is referred to as "Sky" which is extremely confusing when trying to differentiate between FTA, Sky services, Setanta FTV and Setanta subscription services.
A lot of clarification is often needed before one can be sure what is meant.