Yet another Jamaican fails a drug test

Kurt Godel

A thrower this time, the latest in a line of Jamaican athletes caught for doping.

Might be easier to change the charter here to just allow speculation on who is clean:rolleyes: Athletics is where cycling was (is) a few years ago, PED's at world-class level are being shown to be systemic. The IAAF should just permit their use (under strict medical supervision), or reintroduce amatuerism, otherwise we have this farce of every world-class performance being under suspicion (rightfully and with good cause a lot of the time).

pconn062

Disaster of a week, puts a real shadow over the World Championships.

RayCun

But if we can't organise the medical supervision necessary to stop people taking drugs, how can we organise the medical supervision necessary to control the amount of drugs they take? Its a harder task.
I watched that "price of gold" documentary recently and it brought it home to me _ when you look at the injuries people risk and how little value they put on future quality of life when they are training, if it was legal to take drugs that shortened their lives by 10/20 years but gave them an edge, and if they knew their competitors were taking them, few would refuse.

ultrapercy

RayCun wrote: »

But if we can't organise the medical supervision necessary to stop people taking drugs, how can we organise the medical supervision necessary to control the amount of drugs they take? Its a harder task.
I watched that "price of gold" documentary recently and it brought it home to me _ when you look at the injuries people risk and how little value they put on future quality of life when they are training, if it was legal to take drugs that shortened their lives by 10/20 years but gave them an edge, and if they knew their competitors were taking them, few would refuse.

Yes, plus where would it leave athletes who wanted to compete clean? Surely every system should strive for and support whats fair not just concede to the cheats. Talk of legalising peds is just silly.

gerard_65

Kurt Godel wrote: »

A thrower this time, the latest in a line of Jamaican athletes caught for doping.

Might be easier to change the charter here to just allow speculation on who is clean:rolleyes: Athletics is where cycling was (is) a few years ago, PED's at world-class level are being shown to be systemic. The IAAF should just permit their use (under strict medical supervision), or reintroduce amatuerism, otherwise we have this farce of every world-class performance being under suspicion (rightfully and with good cause a lot of the time).

Your joking, right? Maybe increasing bans for those caught and prison for those caught dealing might go some way to prevent its alleged widespread use (although I believe there are a lot more clean athletes than dirty).
Permitting PED's use would destroy the sport at world level.

Frankie Lee

pconn062 wrote: »

Disaster of a week, puts a real shadow over the World Championships.

I don't see anything disastrous about it, cheats are being caught and hopefully will be weeded out of the sport. Hopefully WADA keep up the good work and catch the big names.

T runner

Kurt Godel wrote: »

A thrower this time, the latest in a line of Jamaican athletes caught for doping.

Might be easier to change the charter here to just allow speculation on who is clean:rolleyes: Athletics is where cycling was (is) a few years ago, PED's at world-class level are being shown to be systemic. The IAAF should just permit their use (under strict medical supervision), or reintroduce amatuerism, otherwise we have this farce of every world-class performance being under suspicion (rightfully and with good cause a lot of the time).

They should introduce lifetime bans immediately. The fact that many are being caught is positve. A life time ban might just be enough to tip a change of culture.

I read " the life and deeath of marco pantani". The author makes a strong scientific argument that elite cyclists differred in their adaption rates to EPO. Pantani was not a champion until he strted using drugs. He would not have been a champion if he and everyone was clean. He became a champion because he adapted slighly better to epo than superior cyclists did. That means we are watching freak shows not sport. Whatever it takes it needs to be clean.

Kurt Godel

gerard_65 wrote: »

Your joking, right? Maybe increasing bans for those caught and prison for those caught dealing might go some way to prevent its alleged widespread use (although I believe there are a lot more clean athletes than dirty).
Permitting PED's use would destroy the sport at world level.

Wish I was, I'd be a dyed-in-the-wool Chariots of Fire believer, would love to romanticise in the Higher, Faster, Longer motto, but its all about money, and win at all costs, and that means pharma-enhancement (as we've seen again and again and again...). The sport I believe in is already destroyed by PED's. It's as clean as cycling under Armstrong. Justin Gatlin is the spokesman for it's credibility, FFS.

Rightwing

Frankie Lee wrote: »

I don't see anything disastrous about it, cheats are being caught and hopefully will be weeded out of the sport. Hopefully WADA keep up the good work and catch the big names.

Absolutely.

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pconn062

Frankie Lee wrote: »

I don't see anything disastrous about it, cheats are being caught and hopefully will be weeded out of the sport. Hopefully WADA keep up the good work and catch the big names.

Obviously I meant that it is a disaster than the athletes at the top of the sport chose to dope in the first place. Them being caught is not a disaster, it's a success.

Stojkovic

Its all about the money.
Massive fines and athletes sued by sponsors is whats needed.

Savage Tyrant

It should be a clause within every athletes sponsorship contract (and in employment contracts of those to whom it applies, footballers etc) that if at anytime they are found guilty of doping, they immediately become liable to pay back all the money they have been paid, without an option to use the courts to worm out of repaying.

Lance Armstrong is now known worldwide as a cheat, but he's still a multimillionaire off the back of it.

corny

Two words - Lifetime bans.