Nordig 2.4

joceadaigh

Can / will saorview approved receivers be upgraded to Nordig 2.4 spec to accommodate the change from MHEG5 to HbbTV? Have saorview any intention of utilising any of these services at all?

The Cush

joceadaigh wrote: »

Can / will saorview approved reviewers be upgraded to Nordig 2.4 spec to accommodate the change from MHEG5 to HbbTV? Have saorview any intention of utilising any of these services at all?

The latest version of the Saorview min. receiver requirement, based on the Nording 2.4 specification, makes no mention of HbbTV. Just like previous versions of the Saorview receiver specification made no reference to the MHP requirement in previous versions of the Nordig spec.

Only MHEG-5 UK Profile, version 1.06 is mandatory for Saorview receivers at this time.

watty

joceadaigh wrote: »

Can / will saorview approved reviewers be upgraded to Nordig 2.4 spec to accommodate the change from MHEG5 to HbbTV? Have saorview any intention of utilising any of these services at all?

HbbTV is interactively using content via the Internet. Unless the box or tv has ethernet it can't be added by firmware update.

Most people in Ireland, especially if they are not using UPC as main TV, will not have good enough broadband for HbbTV.

BBC iPlayer does the same thing, but is implemented using MHEG5 for the GUI to launch it and then a separate application provided by box/tv maker using the ethernet port (or sometimes WiFi, but that is hard for makers to support and no assurance of enough bandwidth).

RTE seems to be currently taking the BBC approach rather than HbbTV route.

In any case you need network port on the box/TV and decent Broadband with no cap or very high cap (More than 200Gbyte).

joceadaigh

The Cush wrote: »

The latest version of the Saorview min. receiver requirement, based on the Nording 2.4 specification, makes no mention of HbbTV. Just like previous versions of the Saorview receiver specification made no reference to the MHP requirement in previous versions of the Nordig spec.

Only MHEG-5 UK Profile, version 1.06 is mandatory for Saorview receivers at this time.

The Cush;
http://www.nordig.org/pressrelease_24012013.htm

NorDig release a new Unified IRD Specification v2.4 and Test Specification v2.2.2

The new updated Unified IRD Specification v2.4 includes following main modifications:

All IRDs has to support MPEG2 SD and MPEG4 HD (i.e. removal of M2 and M4 Level)
Update of video requirements
Supplementary Audio is completely update and will become mandatory functionality from 2014
Inclusion of HbbTV (and removal of MHP) as NorDig’s selected API
Inclusion of Immunity against 800MHz LTE signals for terrestrial IRDs

Would this then mean that both MHEG and HbbTV would be included in Saorview boxes.

joceadaigh

watty wrote: »

RTE seems to be currently taking the BBC approach rather than HbbTV route.

In any case you need network port on the box/TV and decent Broadband with no cap or very high cap (More than 200Gbyte).

Watty;

Have you any source of information on RTEs plans? It would seem nuts to me to pursue a standard that is steady being dubbed as legacy by some tech websites rather than implementing what looks like a Pan-European standard.

Isn't Ethernet a requirement of Saorview... making it possible to upgrade all receivers to Nordig 2.4, well any that connect to a network which would be required for these interactive services anyway.

As for the countries Broadband limitations, if people are able to utilise on-demand services on their laptop why not through their saorview receivers.

And 200Gig might be your requirement but it certainly won't be my dads or most non enthusiasts.

watty

You any idea how much data SD never mind HD video can use up? Especially if more than one TV and same quality as off air?

Add that on TOP of existing usage. 60Gbyte wouldn't be enough including normal internet usage.

Ethernet isn't a mandatory requirement. Or hasn't been.

Don't believe everything on Tech Websites. MHP was similarly lauded and it's dead, whereas MHEG has grown.

I have no more information than what has been said. RTE are using MHEG5. (note that the newer spec for CI, CI+ requires MHEG5, so MHEG5 is a pan-European standard).

HbbTv and similar are doomed as they are "walled gardens". Either people will plug HDMI of tablet/laptop into TV or use a "Smart" TV/Box that has Web Browser.

Web Browsers poor on SDTV, but fine on HDTV.

the proprietary BBC iPlayer and RTE player will give way to HTML5 based video available on ANY platform that connects to Internet.

HbbTV is too late and pointless as a replacement for MHP. MHEG5 offers simple environment for slides to say RTE jr starts at 7am or pretty replacement for teletext. Anything more complex for internet only needs to launch a URL to a web browser (which MHEG5 can do).

The BBC iPlayer and RTE player are wasted proprietary developments based on Adobe Flash for DRM. They will be replaced by platform independent HTML5.

Actually currently a Smart TV is a waste of money as standard 42" HDTV and decent laptop or tablet with HDMI is LESS money and has a better GUI in your lap.

The "controller" for a Smart TV is a problem. Apple's pointless add-on mis-named Apple TV (where is the screen?) really needs and ipad or iPhone to control it and the Samsung Smart TV needs a Samsung phone or tablet (as controller) that without subsidy can cost more than a TV!

Ever tried using HbbTV or Smart TV just with a remote?

The Cush

joceadaigh wrote: »

Would this then mean that both MHEG and HbbTV would be included in Sairview boxes.

As I posted above the Saorview minimum receiver requirement doesn't require HbbTV so I assume the receiver won't fail the Saorview testing process if it's not included.

Maybe you should contact the Saorview people to get a definitive answer - http://www.2rn.ie/broadcast/saorview-digital-tv/