Norwegian woman in Dubai raped: gets 1 year 4 months for "sex outside marriage"

Jonny7

Blatantly ripped from reddit, translated article below
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=&sl=no&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vg.no%2Fnyheter%2Futenriks%2Fartikkel.php%3Fartid%3D10105411

Not too many details yet but seems to be pretty shocking

Might be a pretty place to visit, but their system of laws still looks to be in about the 12th century.

wandatowell

Almost reads like one of those "Unlucky Brian" meme's

Amirani

What the ****?

I sincerely hope that Norway does something about this.

Clandestine

This is why Islam and "shariah law" should be kept as far away from modern and civilized societies as possible.

Valetta

More to this than meets the eye.

I'd say she was wearing a short skirt.

*Backs away slowly *

Amirani

Clandestine wrote: »

This is why Islam and "shariah law" should be kept as far away from modern and civilized societies as possible.

I agree on the second one for sure. I know plenty of Muslims who'd condemn this, so I think you're being quite unfair in that respect when saying Islam should be kept away. Dubai and the UAE aren't even democratically elected Governments, so you can't really say they represent Muslims as a whole.

becost

You're better off staying well away from Arab countries.

Artful_Badger

Its ridiculous and I'm in no way trying to put blame on the victim here but why do people move to such a backwards fcukin place ? Particularly women ?

Nodin

Jonny7 wrote: »

Blatantly ripped from reddit, translated article below
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=&sl=no&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vg.no%2Fnyheter%2Futenriks%2Fartikkel.php%3Fartid%3D10105411

Not too many details yet but seems to be pretty shocking

Might be a pretty place to visit, but their system of laws still looks to be in about the 12th century.

....bizarre backwards patriarchal crap.

spank_inferno

Artful_Badger wrote: »

Its ridiculous and I'm in no way trying to put blame on the victim here but why do people move to such a backwards fcukin place ? Particularly women ?

No income tax.

Dubai is built on slavery and staffed by near or actual slave labour. I wouldn't support an economy that profits from exploitation on that scale by giving them my tourist dollars.

Cases like this just harden my resolve. The only way this kind of thing can be combated is by hitting them hard in the pockets until they realise that international standards of acceptable justice and behaviour are the only things that'll make it a popular destination again.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Dubai

kylith

Norway should, metaphorically, go Viking on them.

vicwatson

"He stressed that he did not read the judgment and therefore do not know the details of what the woman has been convicted"

Interesting

1ZRed

This is why I'll never go to the Middle East as long as these medieval laws are still enforced.

You want my money, then change your backward ways and move into the 21st century.

GatesOfVienna

Candie wrote: »

Dubai is built on slavery and staffed by near or actual slave labour. I wouldn't support an economy that profits from exploitation on that scale by giving them my tourist dollars.

Cases like this just harden my resolve. The only way this kind of thing can be combated is by hitting them hard in the pockets until they realise that international standards of acceptable justice and behaviour are the only things that'll make it a popular destination again.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Dubai

They are swimming in oil money. The west shall remain silent.

balfe1990

The country is actually backwards, in both senses...

Surely they can't actually lock her up like that though? Norway is obviously going to object?

GatesOfVienna

GatesOfVienna wrote: »

They are swimming in oil money. The west shall remain silent.

That's why people have to take the initiative, because governments won't.

If Westerners boycotted it as a ex-pat or tourist destination, if they lost the expertise and the holiday money and the rose-tinted reviews, things would change. Governments can stay as silent as they want to. The people don't have to, if they care enough.

eireannBEAR

Artful_Badger wrote: »

Its ridiculous and I'm in no way trying to put blame on the victim here but why do people move to such a backwards fcukin place ? Particularly women ?

you are 100% correct it would be like me moving to the afghan country side,it makes no sense. its just asking for trouble.

its no different than a jew moving to nazi germany during ww2. if they are not protected by law then why do they go there.

kylith

kylith wrote: »

Norway should, metaphorically, go Viking on them.

I hope they open a can of Techno_Viking whoopass on them

GatesOfVienna

Candie wrote: »

That's why people have to take the initiative, because governments won't.

If Westerners boycotted it as a ex-pat or tourist destination, if they lost the expertise and the holiday money and the rose-tinted reviews, things would change. Governments can stay as silent as they want to. The people don't have to, if they care enough.

Westerners wont though. They are as money obsessed as their governments. With obvious exceptions, of course. Cash is king.

Boom_Bap

1ZRed wrote: »

This is why I'll never go to the Middle East as long as these medieval laws are still enforced.

You want my money, then change your backward ways and move into the 21st century.

Yeah, move into the 21st Century Irish style were the government is having a debate on abortion, the members involved girate with each other in a playful manner, have a few shandies during the proceedings. A country were the banks and government destroy the economy and impose tax increases after tax increases on the public....because that is not backwards.

I've been to the middle east many times before, and I'll most likely be going back but with the respect for the customs and traditions.

theUbiq

Nuke them; we don't need their oil or their misogynist laws...

GatesOfVienna

eireannBEAR wrote: »

you are 100% correct it would be like me moving to the afghan country side,it makes no sense. its just asking for trouble.

its no different than a jew moving to nazi germany during ww2. if they are not protected by law then why do they go there.

Westerners emigrate there as the wages on offer are exceptional. They normally plan to work there for a year or two, save some cash and return home with enough to put down a large deposit. Westerners are treated much better out there than lads from the Indian subcontinent and fellow impoverished arabs. They are treated and paid horribly.

theUbiq

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Yeah, move into the 21st Century Irish style were the government is having a debate on abortion, the members involved girate with each other in a playful manner, have a few shandies during the proceedings. A country were the banks and government destroy the economy and impose tax increases after tax increases on the public....because that is not backwards.

I've been to the middle east many times before, and I'll most likely be going back but with the respect for the customs and traditions.

Best leave the girlfriend or the wife at home then... apparently its open season on western women there.

LizT

Mod

GatesofVienna is a rereg troll, banned.

Nodin

theUbiq wrote: »

Nuke them; we don't need their oil or their misogynist laws...

Aren't you the one with the ideas. You should write letters to governments. They'll listen to your insights. They won't listen to me. I'm not allowed write them anymore.

eireannBEAR

GatesOfVienna wrote: »

Westerners emigrate there as the wages on offer are exceptional. They normally plan to work there for a year or two, save some cash and return home with enough to put down a large deposit. Westerners are treated much better out there than lads from the Indian subcontinent and fellow impoverished arabs. They are treated and paid horribly.

yes western men...NOT WOMEN!!

Amirani

Boom_Bap wrote: »

I've been to the middle east many times before, and I'll most likely be going back but with the respect for the customs and traditions.

At least you have the opportunity to do this. This Norwegian woman probably intended the same. She hardly set out to be raped.

Femme_Fatale

Artful_Badger wrote: »

Its ridiculous and I'm in no way trying to put blame on the victim here but why do people move to such a backwards fcukin place ? Particularly women ?

Really good money, western compounds offer a little more freedom.
I wouldn't go for all the tea in China myself though.

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Yeah, move into the 21st Century Irish style were the government is having a debate on abortion, the members involved girate with each other in a playful manner, have a few shandies during the proceedings. A country were the banks and government destroy the economy and impose tax increases after tax increases on the public....because that is not backwards.

Still paradise compared to Dubai. Hopefully your respect for their customs doesn't extend to the more barbaric ones. Or is it a case of it being "their culture"...

EGriff

If I get shot over there will I be charged with stealing bullets?

theUbiq

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Yeah, move into the 21st Century Irish style were the government is having a debate on abortion, the members involved girate with each other in a playful manner, have a few shandies during the proceedings. A country were the banks and government destroy the economy and impose tax increases after tax increases on the public....because that is not backwards.

I've been to the middle east many times before, and I'll most likely be going back but with the respect for the customs and traditions.

Nodin wrote: »

Aren't you the one with the ideas. You should write letters to governments. They'll listen to your insights. They won't listen to me. I'm not allowed write them anymore.

Thanks... I appreciate your feedback. Can you recommend a government?

Boom_Bap

NiallSparky wrote: »

At least you have the opportunity to do this. This Norwegian woman probably intended the same. She hardly set out to be raped.

I am not saying she deserved to be raped, no one does. But from the article, it sounds like she certainly wasnt abiding by custom if she is also being prosecuted for drinking alcohol and purjury.

FYI - i do not agree with the judicial system there, and do not agree that she should suffer or do jail time.

Boom_Bap

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Still paradise compared to Dubai. Hopefully your respect for their customs doesn't extend to the more barbaric ones. Or is it a case of it being "their culture"...

I don't get involved with thier customs, I respect that they exist.

theUbiq wrote: »

Thanks... I appreciate your feedback. Can you recommend a government?

No, I am merely stating that nowhere is perfect, we live in a pretty backwards place as well is all that I am saying.

Nodin

theUbiq wrote: »

Thanks... I appreciate your feedback. Can you recommend a government?

Well...one with nukes. US, Russia, French, Israel (they'll say they don't, but they do), India, Pakistan. Write to North Korea - they may not really have any, but they feel better when people treat them as if they're important.

Amirani

Boom_Bap wrote: »

I am not saying she deserved to be raped, no one does. But from the article, it sounds like she certainly wasnt abiding by custom if she is also being prosecuted for drinking alcohol and purjury.

FYI - i do not agree with the judicial system there, and do not agree that she should suffer or do jail time.

Yeah I wasn't necessarily having a go at you, and I wasn't under the impression that you meant that.

I was just pointing out that it's a lot easier for one gender to simply "abide by the traditions", without referring to just this case.

theUbiq

Boom_Bap wrote: »

I don't get involved with thier customs, I respect that they exist.



No, I am merely stating that nowhere is perfect, we live in a pretty backwards place as well is all that I am saying.

Indeed nowhere is perfect but jailing a woman after she had been raped and charging her with sex outside marriage is taking the biscuit... We all know Ireland's not perfect but you know we wouldn't accept this kinda ****e!

Sleepy

Why should traditions and customs that treat women as meat be respected?

Have never been and have no intention of ever going.

ScumLord

Boom_Bap wrote: »

I am not saying she deserved to be raped, no one does. But from the article, it sounds like she certainly wasnt abiding by custom if she is also being prosecuted for drinking alcohol and purjury.

I thought tourists could drink in their hotel?

I don't know why anyone would want to go to these places. I wouldn't step foot in the country, I wouldn't be able to enjoy myself with the fear of doing something wrong and ending up in prison.

Femme_Fatale

"Nowhere is perfect" is such a feeble rebuttal to criticism of atrocious autocracies like Saudi Arabia. For starters, I don't think I've ever heard anyone say any society was perfect. And it's a tad more than being imperfect that is what's objectionable about Saudi.

Ireland may have its flaws, some of them serious, but it is still a shining beacon of progressiveness compared to Saudi. And we have freedoms here people in Saudi can only dream of.

It seems to be a case too that while we should respect the customs of other ethnicities in this country (which I have no problem with, once they're not customs that violate people, e.g. FGM) the reverse ain't happening, which is another example of how this society is fairer.

theUbiq

Nodin wrote: »

Well...one with nukes. US, Russia, French, Israel (they'll say they don't, but they do), India, Pakistan. Write to North Korea - they may not really have any, but they feel better when people treat them as if they're important.

North Korea or France it is then... The rest of them are awful backwards places especially Amerika. Never heard of this Israel place you're talking about.

Amirani

theUbiq wrote: »

North Korea or France it is then... The rest of them are awful backwards places especially Amerika. Never heard of this Israel place you're talking about.

UK and China have some too if they're of interest to you?

Boom_Bap

Sleepy wrote: »

Why should traditions and customs that treat women as meat be respected?

Have never been and have no intention of ever going.

Because you are a guest in thier country.

ScumLord wrote: »

I thought tourists could drink in their hotel?

Yes, and there are places that you are allowed to drink in moderation. We dont know the full circumstance of the girl in the articles story.

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

"Nowhere is perfect" is such a feeble rebuttal to criticism of atrocious autocracies like Saudi Arabia. For starters, I don't think I've ever heard anyone say any society was perfect. And it's a tad more than being imperfect that is what's objectionable about Saudi.

Ireland may have its flaws, some of them serious, but it is still a shining beacon of progressiveness compared to Saudi. And we have freedoms here people in Saudi can only dream of.

It seems to be a case too that while we should respect the customs of other ethnicities in this country (which I have no problem with, once they're not customs that violate people, e.g. FGM) the reverse ain't happening, which is another example of how this society is fairer.

I have 2 female, Irish, white friends living in Saudi, and they love the place, they have no problems there at all. In fact they are looking at extending thier stays there for another few years.
But I do agree, that I or you do not agree with the practicices that take place in these countries, specifically to women.

jmayo

By all accounts she got 1 year 4 months and the convicted rapist got 1 year 1 month.

http://www.newsinenglish.no/2013/07/17/woman-jailed-for-reporting-rape/

But shure aren't the Al Maktoums a great bunch and don't they love their horses.

This isn't isloated incident.
In 2012 a Brtion who alleged gang rape by three men was charged with being drunk.
In 2010 an 18 year old Emirati was sentenced to a year in prison for illicit sex after she reported that she had been gang raped by six men.

Sarky

Not sure which is more likely to make me vomit, the fact that a rape victim is to be jailed for being raped, or that there are posters here telling us she was asking for it.

1ZRed

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Yeah, move into the 21st Century Irish style were the government is having a debate on abortion, the members involved girate with each other in a playful manner, have a few shandies during the proceedings. A country were the banks and government destroy the economy and impose tax increases after tax increases on the public....because that is not backwards.

I've been to the middle east many times before, and I'll most likely be going back but with the respect for the customs and traditions.

Yeah, and to a country were I wouldn't be jailed just for being gay, a woman wouldn't be made a criminal for getting raped and in general be nothing but a second class citizens directly under men in their society.

Yeah, but it's not so cheery here either sure it isn't?

We live in a utopia compared to them.

Hiding behind tradition is no excuse for violating basic human rights and it never will be either.

wp_rathead

jmayo wrote: »

By all accounts she got 1 year 4 months and the convicted rapist got 1 year 1 month.

...**** sake, what a wrapped sense of priorities

EDIT:
What is worse, we are only hearing about this because she is Norwegian. That is completly irrelevant. A Woman was raped and is being jailed- longer than the feckin rapist. ugh- feel dirty even typing that out

Femme_Fatale

Sarky wrote: »

Not sure which is more likely to make me vomit, the fact that a rape victim is to be jailed for being raped, or that there are posters here telling us she was asking for it.

I don't know that that was being said. I think asking why a woman would go to live there is a fair question. As a woman, I wonder it myself. It most certainly does not mean I think she'd ask to be raped/jailed for being raped.
Recently someone (a woman actually) posted a charming comment about a woman being raped in India, along the lines of "Well what did she expect going to that savage place - no point in crying about it now".
THAT sure was f'ucked up. But I don't think ruminations as to why a woman would go live in Dubai is the same thing.

Although any western women I know who live there like it because of the luxurious lifestyle. The majority of them are mad into money and expensive stuff (I'd say that in itself is reason alone for many people to move there) but not all the women I know over there are; they just want to save a lump sum and return home after a relatively short stint.

Generally speaking (not in relation to this specific case) disobeying laws over there too, no matter how draconian they are, is stupid. Not because it's a wrongdoing, but because you'd have no defence. Saying that isn't a respect for their laws, it's still an acknowledgement of how ****ing ridiculous they are.

ScumLord

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Although any western women I know who live there like it because of the luxurious lifestyle.

I would assume like most places that if they like the luxurious lifestyle they have plenty of money. I would guess having loads of money in a country like that means you get away with more and get to avoid dangerous places by being ferried from one place to another.

Derpington95

NiallSparky wrote: »

I agree on the second one for sure. I know plenty of Muslims who'd condemn this, so I think you're being quite unfair in that respect when saying Islam should be kept away. Dubai and the UAE aren't even democratically elected Governments, so you can't really say they represent Muslims as a whole.

If you are a Muslim that means that you must follow Sharia law.
Sharia law is the Law set by God according to Islam.

If you do not agree with Sharia law then you are disagreeing with a major aspect of Islam and are not a Muslim.

In a religion you can't pick and choose the nice bits you'd like to obey and those which you wouldn't like to obey.

Nodin

Derpington95 wrote: »

If you are a Muslim that means that you must follow Sharia law.
Sharia law is the Law set by God according to Islam.

If you do not agree with Sharia law then you are disagreeing with a major aspect of Islam and are not a Muslim.

In a religion you can't pick and choose the nice bits you'd like to obey and those which you wouldn't like to obey.

...there are various sects of Islam, various readings of Sharia law.

Sonics2k

Derpington95 wrote: »

If you are a Muslim that means that you must follow Sharia law.
Sharia law is the Law set by God according to Islam.

If you do not agree with Sharia law then you are disagreeing with a major aspect of Islam and are not a Muslim.

In a religion you can't pick and choose the nice bits you'd like to obey and those which you wouldn't like to obey.

And yet millions of Muslims, Jews, Christians and more all do the same thing.

I'm pretty sure a defining point of religion is picking and choosing.