Rules query regarding unplayable lie

big_drive

Guys just a query on this situation.

Player hits 2nd shot at green but finishes long in a bush that's up against boundary ditch.
Ball is unplayable. So player can't go back in line with the flag as that would mean having to go over the ditch which is out of bounds.
The bush is big so 2 club lengths would not be enough to get out of the bush.

Can player drop within 2 club lengths and claim another unplayable , then move a further 2 club lengths which would take them out of bush and so drop and be playing their 6th shot?

The best course of action I think would be to go back and replay from the point of the 2nd shot but in just wondering if the above situation of taking two consecutive unplayables allowed

GreeBo

Yep.
You can declare a ball unplayable whenever you want (barring in a water hazard)

DuckSlice

are you sure greebo? i didnt think you could drop a ball, and then declare that unplayable again? i dont see the point of it anyway. you would be taking your 5th shot, whereas you would be taking 4 probably in an easier location back on the fairway someplace.

alxmorgan

etxp wrote: »

No he the player can not do that.

Why not ? As Greebo says you can declare it unplayable anywhere bar a water hazard.

If you putt into a bunker you can call it unplayable and replace it from where you last hit even.

DuckSlice

alxmorgan wrote: »

Why not ? As Greebo says you can declare it unplayable anywhere bar a water hazard.

If you putt into a bunker you can call it unplayable and replace it from where you last hit even.

Edited the last post, as realised i could be wrong

if you declare a ball unplayable in a bunker then you have to drop it in the bunker, you cant go back to wear you played it from previuosly.

mike12

etxp wrote: »

No he the player can not do that.

Of course he can as long as he is no nearer the hole. 2 into the bush take a penalty drop still in the bush take another drop and play 5 i think.

Mike

alxmorgan

etxp wrote: »

Edited the last post, as realised i could be wrong

if you declare a ball unplayable in a bunker then you have to drop it in the bunker, you cant go back to wear you played it from previuosly.

http://golf.about.com/cs/rulesofgolf/a/rfaq_unplayable.htm

DuckSlice

alxmorgan wrote: »

http://golf.about.com/cs/rulesofgolf/a/rfaq_unplayable.htm

i stand corrected.

OilBeefHooked2

big_drive wrote: »

Guys just a query on this situation.

Player hits 2nd shot at green but finishes long in a bush that's up against boundary ditch.
Ball is unplayable. So player can't go back in line with the flag as that would mean having to go over the ditch which is out of bounds.
The bush is big so 2 club lengths would not be enough to get out of the bush.

Can player drop within 2 club lengths and claim another unplayable , then move a further 2 club lengths which would take them out of bush and so drop and be playing their 6th shot?

The best course of action I think would be to go back and replay from the point of the 2nd shot but in just wondering if the above situation of taking two consecutive unplayables allowed

You can and in your scenario after 2 penalty drops you'll be playing your 5th shot not your 6th.

big_drive

Thanks guys. Just one I wanted to be clear about.

I've seen guys take unplayables and move further than 2 club lengths as they think they're entitled to be in a "better" place for next shot

alxmorgan

big_drive wrote: »

Thanks guys. Just one I wanted to be clear about.

I've seen guys take unplayables and move further than 2 club lengths as they think they're entitled to be in a "better" place for next shot

Played with a guy off 12 recently (only reason I bring up handicap is that he must have played a lot of comps) who was convinced that if you hit OB you can drop the ball next to where it crossed OB line :eek:

GreeBo

big_drive wrote: »

Thanks guys. Just one I wanted to be clear about.

I've seen guys take unplayables and move further than 2 club lengths as they think they're entitled to be in a "better" place for next shot

As you said, its 2 clubs from the ball, not the thing thats making the ball unplayable.
Often see people dropping from the edge of the bush for example.


Also, you are not entitled to anything when taking an unplayable, even if the balls rolls back into the original unplayable position (but less than 2 clublengths and not closer to the hole) 28/3.

Decision 28/5 Covers your question OP.

realgolfgeek

GreeBo wrote: »

As you said, its 2 clubs from the ball, not the thing thats making the ball unplayable.
Often see people dropping from the edge of the bush for example.


Also, you are not entitled to anything when taking an unplayable, even if the balls rolls back into the original unplayable position (but less than 2 clublengths and not closer to the hole) 28/3.

Decision 28/5 Covers your question OP.

Or you can go back to where you originally hit your ball from.
Or you can drop as far back as you like in line between where the ball currently lies, and the pin.

Kace

alxmorgan wrote: »

Played with a guy off 12 recently (only reason I bring up handicap is that he must have played a lot of comps) who was convinced that if you hit OB you can drop the ball next to where it crossed OB line :eek:

Played with a guy off 12 recently (only reason I bring up handicap is that he must have played a lot of comps) who was convinced that if you hit OB you can drop the ball next to where it crossed OB line :eek:[/QUOTE]

Wow - permission granted to bitchslap him the next time you see him.

This is a classic Mulligan Golf type of mentality and one that doesn't exist in any rulebook.

Does he get to use a leather wedge once in the round as well ?

Ronney

Kace wrote: »

Played with a guy off 12 recently (only reason I bring up handicap is that he must have played a lot of comps) who was convinced that if you hit OB you can drop the ball next to where it crossed OB line :eek:

Wow - permission granted to bitchslap him the next time you see him.

This is a classic Mulligan Golf type of mentality and one that doesn't exist in any rulebook.

Does he get to use a leather wedge once in the round as well ?[/QUOTE]

While OB is usually obvious, some links courses for example class parts of their boundaries as lateral hazards, so the above action would be ok on some occasions.

Rikand

etxp wrote: »

i stand corrected.

etxp wrote: »

56%, shocking. A lot of the situations rarely happen which is probably why I forget some of the rules!

Just another one of those rules you forget eh :P [there needs to be a smiley]

Almaviva

Ronney wrote: »

...some links courses for example class parts of their boundaries as lateral hazards, so the above action would be ok on some occasions.

Big fan of this, and it is a design choice that is sorely underused, particularly on tight courses where there can be OB on many holes.

One hole with an OB tight to a fairway is reasonable, but many on one course is simply too punishing. Lateral hazard making the punishment effectively one shot rather than two can allow a course cope with its limitations better than the obvious OB option.

DuckSlice

Rickylovesuall wrote: »

Just another one of those rules you forget eh :P [there needs to be a smiley]

I'm just so good I never have an unplayable
And don't go bringing the quiz results up I do believe u had such a bad score you didn't post it up haha

Miley Byrne

Almaviva wrote: »

Big fan of this, and it is a design choice that is sorely underused, particularly on tight courses where there can be OB on many holes.

One hole with an OB tight to a fairway is reasonable, but many on one course is simply too punishing. Lateral hazard making the punishment effectively one shot rather than two can allow a course cope with its limitations better than the obvious OB option.

The problem with this is that fellas overestimate the length of their drive so take a drop 100 yards further on than they should have. OB eliminates this. We have a drain running along inside the OB line on a par five. The drain used to be a lateral hazard( red stakes). But now the OB line runs where the red stakes used to run thereby making the drain OB. It is a slight dogleg right so the drain isn't visible off the tee. I saw lots of fellas say (after slicing it 50 yards right) "oh thats in the drain, I can drop above where it crossed". Sorry buddy, reload!!!

Domo86

denisoc16 wrote: »

The problem with this is that fellas overestimate the length of their drive so take a drop 100 yards further on than they should have. OB eliminates this. We have a drain running along inside the OB line on a par five. The drain used to be a lateral hazard( red stakes). But now the OB line runs where the red stakes used to run thereby making the drain OB. It is a slight dogleg right so the drain isn't visible off the tee. I saw lots of fellas say (after slicing it 50 yards right) "oh thats in the drain, I can drop above where it crossed". Sorry buddy, reload!!!

not to worry - sure he can just re-enter the same competition tomorrow(and the day after) in your place and have another go;)

Miley Byrne

Domo86 wrote: »

not to worry - sure he can just re-enter the same competition tomorrow(and the day after) in your place and have another go;)

Wish i had a golf course at "my place". Wouldn't fit into 3/4 acre unfortunately;)