Abortion legislation passed

Phill Ewinn

Everyone happy now?

End of the government I hope.

First!!!!!

This will be a cracker.

G_R

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

Everyone happy now?

End of the government I hope.

Delighted. No more bloody debates about it.

GLaDOS

I'll get the miniature flags

Doctor Strange

Grand_Rajnah wrote: »

Delighted. No more bloody debates about it.

Well, the campaign to repeal the 8th amendment will continue. This is just the start.

Dempsey

Surely the end of late night drinking and groping in the dail so??!

drunkmonkey

Whoop , Whoop, now we get to debate about Marijuana and Gay Marriage again, break out the bubbly!

iguana

Well that only took 20 years and 7 months. Who says government takes a long time to get things done?

Phill Ewinn

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

End of the government I hope.

Do you mean this current administration or the total collapse of the system?

So you are an Anarchist now father?

vicwatson

Think they are reconvening at 10.30 in the a.m., PLUS it's called The Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill NOT The Abortion Legislation

Simi

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

Everyone happy now?

End of the government I hope.

I'm not even remotely happy. This isn't abortion legislation, it's just more anti-choice nonsense. The pro-life side can't even tell when they're winning. :rolleyes:

shruikan2553

When will they be announcing the locations of these huge abortionplexes? Will every first or second pregnancy end with a forced abortion? Cant wait for the downfall of society.*





*not sure if any of this is true, just going by what pro life groups claim

errlloyd

I dunno what God thinks of Abortion, but they just spend like 40 hours in the Dail on the two hottest days of the year, so I am fairly sure he hates politicians.

Corkfeen

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

Everyone happy now?

End of the government I hope.

End of Government for following public wishes as a result of two referendums? Mighty confusing country we live in.....

bnt

I have to admit to being confused about what Lucinda Creighton's position on the bill is. There are vague statements about how she could not support the "suicide clause", and "matters of life and death", but is that because the bill is "too much" or "too little"? Is she "pro-choice" or "anti-choice"?

Is it chauvinist of me to expect her, a woman of child-bearing age, to be pro-choice? After all, the other "anti-choice" voices all appear to be men. If she's anti-choice, that looks like a betrayal of women and their health, if you ask me ...

apollo8

I have no sympathy for the militants at the passing of this nescessary bill but i do for the many people who genuinely think its wrong in all conscience.
It cannot be an easy night for them,it would be nice if there was no gloating by those who supported this bill.

Mardy Bum

bnt wrote: »

I have to admit to being confused about what Lucinda Creighton's position on the bill is. There are vague statements about how she could not support the "suicide clause", and "matters of life and death", but is that because the bill "too much" or "too little"? Is she "pro-choice" or "anti-choice"?

Is it chauvinist of me to expect her, a woman of child-bearing age, to be pro-choice? After all, the other "anti-choice" voices all appear to be men. If she's anti-choice, that looks like a betrayal of women and their health, if you ask me ...

She is of the religious persuasion.

Sarky

It's about bloody time. Nice to see a healthy majority in favour, it's like the papers and anti-choice movements were lying through their teeth all along. It's still a crappy bill that's 21 years late, gives worse jail time to women than their rapists and doesn't go nearly far enough to give women the rights they deserve, but progress is progress so still cause for some celebration.

bnt

Mardy Bum wrote: »

She is of the religious persuasion.

And she's on the way out of government, then? Good, you need more rational people running the country.

keelanj69

If I already have kids... Is it too late?

apollo8

bnt wrote: »

And she's on the way out of government, then? Good, you need more rational people running the country.

Religious people can be very rational,sure to atheists religion is a fairytale.
laugh at religion if you like. but the creation of all that there is in a big bang is equally absurd..........yes scientific method claims everything came from nothing,now that is funny

Phill Ewinn

keelanj69 wrote: »

If I already have kids... Is it too late?

Not according to Reily. Just need two "doctors" you may or may not have flown in from abroad handed a brown envelope and you're on.

No time limit on your rights. Just the rights of your children.

keelanj69

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

Not according to Reily. Just need two "doctors" you may or may not have flown in from abroad handed a brown envelope and you're on.

No time limit on your rights. Just the rights of your children.

Seems like hassle flying lads in. But the kids have me head wrecked.

shruikan2553

apollo8 wrote: »

Religious people can be very rational,sure to atheists religion is a fairytale.
laugh at religion if you like. but the creation of all that there is in a big bang is equally absurd..........yes scientific method claims everything came from nothing,now that is funny

Still, i would prefer to side with the people who have a theory and reasoning behind it than magic.

If someone is going to let their religion lead them they have no place leading a country.

kneemos

bnt wrote: »

I have to admit to being confused about what Lucinda Creighton's position on the bill is. There are vague statements about how she could not support the "suicide clause", and "matters of life and death", but is that because the bill is "too much" or "too little"? Is she "pro-choice" or "anti-choice"?

Is it chauvinist of me to expect her, a woman of child-bearing age, to be pro-choice? After all, the other "anti-choice" voices all appear to be men. If she's anti-choice, that looks like a betrayal of women and their health, if you ask me ...

Can't wait to see what her angle is,I would be very surprised if there's not one.

bnt

Meanwhile, other countries are watching this debate and wondering "all that fuss and bother, over ... that?"
- The Guardian (UK):

Mara Clarke, director of the London-based Abortion Support Network, a charity that raises money to help women afford the £400-£2,000 it costs to travel and pay privately for an abortion in England, condemned the restriction on an Irish woman's right to choose. She said: "Given that the Irish government has now had more than 22 years to legislate on the X case, I'm not sure what the hold up is but then I'm not an expert on Irish abortion law.

"I am an expert in what happens to women when access to abortion is restricted. Even if this law is enacted, only a very, very small percentage of women who need abortions will be able to access them in Ireland.

Meanwhile, in the USA, we have the right-wing National Review praising Creighton as "a woman of conscience", in a piece by an anti-abortion activist:

The current bill provides that a pregnant woman threatening suicide may obtain an abortion. Creighton’s amendment would provide that a woman who is threatening suicide be provided with all the psychiatric therapy and treatment necessary. In other words, threats of suicide are evidence of a psychological disorder. Her amendment is in accord with the evidence from extensive hearings in Ireland in January — abortion is not an appropriate or effective treatment for suicide feelings; in fact, abortion can often contribute to suicide “ideation.”
...
William L. Saunders Jr. is senior vice president for legal affairs and senior counsel at Americans United for Life (AUL).

Both Saunders and his subject seem, to me, to be missing the wider issue somewhat - but the same can be said about the bill that just passed, so what do I know? Only this: this isn't settled yet, not until Ireland catches up with the rest of the civilised world.

Sarky

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

Not according to Reily. Just need two "doctors" you may or may not have flown in from abroad handed a brown envelope and you're on.

No time limit on your rights. Just the rights of your children.

You do realise that this is all because of the 8th amendment that anti-choice groups shoved into the constitution 30 years back, right? It's precisely because of that amendment that this case existed in the first place.

I think congratulations are in order for William Binchy, the man who introduced abortion to Ireland, albeit accidentally because he wasn't capable of thinking beyond the short term.

Phill Ewinn

keelanj69 wrote: »

Seems like hassle flying lads in. But the kids have me head wrecked.

Pretty sure you won't be the only one using their services. Be queues around the block don't you know. Wednesday and Thursday. Cheap flights from godknowswhere. Easy money.

Phill Ewinn

bnt wrote: »

Meanwhile, other countries are watching this debate and wondering "all that fuss and bother, over ... that?"
- The Guardian (UK):

Meanwhile, in the USA, we have the right-wing National Review praising Creighton as "a woman of conscience", in a piece by an anti-abortion activist:

Both Saunders and his subject seem, to me, to be missing the wider issue somewhat - but the same can be said about the bill that just passed, so what do I know? Only this: this isn't settled yet, not until Ireland catches up with the rest of the civilised world.

CIvilised people protect the most vulnerable. Not strip human rights from them.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

keelanj69 wrote: »

If I already have kids... Is it too late?

Depends - do you still have the receipt?

Sarky

So where was Creighton's conscience when she was voting for cuts in welfare and special needs support?

apollo8

shruikan2553 wrote: »

If someone is going to let their religion lead them they have no place leading a country.

I agree Country has to come first even so most of our TDs are religious to varying degrees.
This was always going to be tough for Ireland and i repeat this cannot have been easy for many TDs of the Catholic fate they voted for it anyway so secularism won the day.

Derpington95

Pity it took many years of women suffering particularly the most recent case of Savita Halappanavar's death to get the ball rolling....

Mardy Bum

apollo8 wrote: »

Religious people can be very rational,sure to atheists religion is a fairytale.
laugh at religion if you like. but the creation of all that there is in a big bang is equally absurd..........yes scientific method claims everything came from nothing,now that is funny

This reads like a parody.

keelanj69

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Depends - do you still have the receipt?

Nah. Will I be covered by the warranty? He never worked right, from the minute I got him home.

keelanj69

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

Pretty sure you won't be the only one using their services. Be queues around the block don't you know. Wednesday and Thursday. Cheap flights from godknowswhere. Easy money.

Theres is already a crowd of young ones outside Clonmel hospital after a night on the town.

Sarky

Hopefully these open floodgates will help with the heatwave.

Phill Ewinn

Sarky wrote: »

So where was Creighton's conscience when she was voting for cuts in welfare and special needs support?

:??

Fineh Gwael now returned to their previous status as jumped up boggers, no hopers and dependants on the state.

policarp

This will all get unstuck in the courts shortly. IMO.
22, 23, 24, weeks. who knows?

Mardy Bum

Sarky wrote: »

So where was Creighton's conscience when she was voting for cuts in welfare and special needs support?

Conscience is an intangible transient force which only concerns embryos.

Sarky

That, uh, doesn't answer my question Phill. Had she lost it behind the sofa for those votes, then? Where was it?

keelanj69

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

:??

Fineh Gwael now returned to their previous status as jumped up boggers, no hopers and dependants on the state.

Arnt the boggers and the 12 year old children the only ones attending these rallues?

Phill Ewinn

keelanj69 wrote: »

Theres is already a crowd of young ones outside Clonmel hospital after a night on the town.

MIght open a morning after van, just outside the kebab shop. 2am - 6am. Discount for students.

keelanj69

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

MIght open a morning after van, just outside the kebab shop. 2am - 6am. Discount for students.

I look forward to looking my child in the eyes when shes old enough to go out and remind her 'Make sure now that you don't forget your abortion. Be safe!'

Phill Ewinn

keelanj69 wrote: »

Arnt the boggers and the 12 year old children the only ones attending these rallues?

Next year the same, if the children aren't all killed on sight by the tens of opposing protesters.

RayM

Sarky wrote: »

So where was Creighton's conscience when she was voting for cuts in welfare and special needs support?

Clearly her imaginary god is far too pre-occupied with his foetus-fetish to give a damn about actual children.

That's the worst thing about anti-choice politicians - none of them are honest enough to admit that their views stem not from any genuine concern for the welfare of children, but from their deeply held religious idiocy.

keelanj69

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

Next year the same, if the children aren't all killed on sight by the tens of opposing protesters.

How do the bogger 12 year olds get to Dublin? Considering they have the cart before the horse.

No abortions! And no sex for five more years!

apollo8

Mardy Bum wrote: »

This reads like a parody.

Really?as i understand a parody it is a humorous rewriting of another piece of writing,so what is this other piece of writing pray tell?

endacl

apollo8 wrote: »

I have no sympathy for the militants at the passing of this nescessary bill but i do for the many people who genuinely think its wrong in all conscience.
It cannot be an easy night for them,it would be nice if there was no gloating by those who supported this bill.

Gloaty gloat gloat!

:D:D

Phill Ewinn

Sarky wrote: »

That, uh, doesn't answer my question Phill. Had she lost it behind the sofa for those votes, then? Where was it?

Can't speak for Creighton, or the Creightons who voted this shower in.

MadsL

Grand_Rajnah wrote: »

Delighted. No more bloody debates about it.

God, you are one hell of an optimist.