Getting a car-van NCT'd

rizzee

Hi, I drive a 07 Grande Punto car van. It's taxed and DOE'd (both private not commercial)

The DOE runs out in September and I'd like to get it NCT'd purely for the fact it'll be for two years instead of one on a DOE. I've rang DOE centre's, NCT centre's, local tax office and the RSA and they are all saying it's not possible. Bit ridiculous imo the only difference is there are no back seats and the rear windows are bordered up, it even has seat belt slots etc in the back looks like it was made a car first ha! I was just wondering are there any legal loopholes in order for me to get it NCT'd? Thanks

DIESEL TOM

rizzee wrote: »

I was just wondering are there any legal loopholes in order for me to get it NCT'd? Thanks

there must be because last year I see old Toyota starler van with a nct disc on it. as well few weeks ago on done deal I saw a navara with a nct disc on it.

CiniO

I doubt it.
Goods vehicles must be DOEd, not NCTed.

Bpmull

For a small period of time nct tested car derived vans. This Is no longer the case the loop hole was closed and now all car derived vans must be doed annually regardless of whether you have it down as private or commerical on the log book also regardless of whether its taxed privately or commerically. Basically it cant be nct once its a car derived van under any circumstances and I know that for a fact.

CiniO

Bpmull wrote: »

For a small period of time nct tested car derived vans. This Is no longer the case the loop hole was closed and now all car derived vans must be doed annually regardless of whether you have it down as private or commerical on the log book also regardless of whether its taxed privately or commerically. Basically it cant be nct once its a car derived van under any circumstances and I know that for a fact.

There isn't such classification on the logbook.

It can be either goods vehicle (which need to be DOEd) or passenger vehicle (which needs to be NCT, obviously unless it's a bus).

Bpmull

CiniO wrote: »

There isn't such classification on the logbook.

It can be either goods vehicle (which need to be DOEd) or passenger vehicle (which needs to be NCT, obviously unless it's a bus).

I think it's quite obvious that commercial is goods vehicle and passenger is the private most people would understand what I meant. Anyway ultimately it answers ops question they cant nct it regardless of what way it's taxed.

CiniO

Bpmull wrote: »

I think it's quite obvious that commercial is goods vehicle and passenger is the private most people would understand what I meant.

Yes, I understood as well.
But my point mainly was that if it's a van then it is going to be as "goods vehicle" on the logbook (vehicle type).
You said that OP will have to DOE is no matter if it's goods or passenger on logbook.
That's not true. If it's down as passenger vehicle on the logbook, then it means that vehicle is not a van, and it must be NCTed.

Bpmull

CiniO wrote: »

Yes, I understood as well.
But my point mainly was that if it's a van then it is going to be as "goods vehicle" on the logbook (vehicle type).
You said that OP will have to DOE is no matter if it's goods or passenger on logbook.
That's not true. If it's down as passenger vehicle on the logbook, then it means that vehicle is not a van, and it must be NCTed.

No I am right In what I say. My last van the astra was a car derived van. I was sent out the log book and goods vehicle was written on the log book. I went into the tax office and asked them to change the classification to passenger vehicle as it would be taxed privately and used privately. They took the log book back and sent me a new log book with the vehicle down as a passenger vehicle. I then Doe'd the van and that was it. So my point stands the van can't be NCTed even if its down as a passenger vehicle this is because its still physically a van I.e. two seats.

CiniO

Bpmull wrote: »

No I am right In what I say. My last van the astra was a car derived van. I was sent out the log book and goods vehicle was written on the log book. I went into the tax office and asked them to change the classification to passenger vehicle as it would be taxed privately and used privately. They took the log book back and sent me a new log book with the vehicle down as a passenger vehicle. I then Doe'd the van and that was it. So my point stands the van can't be NCTed even if its down as a passenger vehicle this is because its still physically a van I.e. two seats.

Something is definitely not right here.

If information about type of vehicles in logbook (and their database) wasn't related to what kind of vehicle it is (goods or passenger), then how would they even know if it's due NCT or DOE?

What I suspect, is they changed Motor Taxation Class (field J.2 on logbook) from comercial to private.

But field D.3 (which described body type) must have remained the same (goods vehicle).

Bpmull

I'd have to go over to the office and see if there is an old photocopy of the logbook to see exactly what it's down as maybe they just changed the tax from commercial to private. Ill check tomorrow. All I remember is they took back the log book and sent me back a new one.

rizzee

Thanks for the replies. What if I put seats and seatbelt's etc in the back? Is there absolutely no way for it to be changed on the log book from a van to a car?

CiniO

rizzee wrote: »

Thanks for the replies. What if I put seats and seatbelt's etc in the back? Is there absolutely no way for it to be changed on the log book from a van to a car?

Of course there is.
If you modify it to be a car (put seats back, seatbelts, etc), I think you need an engineers report to confirm that and you can change a vehicle type from van to a car.

homingbird

2 Seater cars exist so once you change the log book to private you will be able to nct the car.

rizzee

Thanks - I was on the phone to the RSA earlier and they basically said it can't be some "it's a van can't be changed, " BS excuse's, just can't be right. Will ring again tomorrow..

Guy:Incognito

rizzee wrote: »

Thanks for the replies. What if I put seats and seatbelt's etc in the back? Is there absolutely no way for it to be changed on the log book from a van to a car?

The cost of putting seats /windows/seatbelts etc then vrting it will pay for years worth of doe tests . Its hardly worth the hassle. Its be easier to sell it and buy a passenger version.

Bpmull

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

The cost of putting seats /windows/seatbelts etc then vrting it will pay for years worth of doe tests . Its hardly worth the hassle. Its be easier to sell it and buy a passenger version.

I'd of been thinking the same. You will save less than 60 euro a year by ncting it. Then when the van reaches 10 years old you'll save 32 euro a year. Hardly worth the hassle of changing it to a car. And it's not just a matter of throwing in rear seats. If the van has rear panels they would have to be replaced with Windows all the seat belt holes would be welded up from when it was made a van. If the op actually wanted a car grand but doing it to save money would make no sense at all. And according to the rsa you can't do It. If op wanted a car in the first place why did you not just buy a car version I thought there would be plenty punto cars around.

corktina

add to that it is easier to get a vehicle through the DoE imo AND easier to get an appointment at the moment. Test is dearer for some reason

Quazzie

If it's possible to change the van to a car why would people pay high VRT when bringing a car into the country. Why not just bring it in as a commercial for small VRT then throw the seats in and change class thus avoiding the larger VRT fee.

corktina

Quazzie wrote: »

If it's possible to change the van to a car why would people pay high VRT when bringing a car into the country. Why not just bring it in as a commercial for small VRT then throw the seats in and change class thus avoiding the larger VRT fee.

serious? because you then would have to pay the VRT on conversion.(if they catch you of course)