Tall golfer club lay? Ball goes right every shot, do I need lessons or customization

Megatron!!

Really starting to get annoyed on the course with this, Ive been playing golf for 4 years and I'm alright considering Ive never had a lesson and don't play regularly. Id finish on an average of 110 strokes on most courses.

I'm 6'4" and no matter how I try to modify my swing the ball always goes right... sometimes the club is hitting in a slightly open position and other times I'm swinging outward in creating a slice:rolleyes:. These strokes are obvious but the ones where I actually get the swing 100% the ball still goes straight of the the right.

I am losing my patience with it and need advice. The way I see it is I can either extend the shafts an inch, flatten the lay a few degrees or get either a lesson or have my swing analyzed. Where do I start?

I'm getting midsize grips fitted in a few weeks so extending shafts at that stage might be the man but I'm not sure if its a great idea extending or bending without advice.

Where is the most economic place to start and how much am I looking at to get the clubs to match me?

Cheers

DuckSlice

I don't know about the always going right, but for sure you definitely need longer than standard clubs. I'm 6ft2 and have inch longer and 2 degree more upright clubs so you would probably need something similar. Mine are off the shelf and not custom fitted.

Megatron!!

I was told by a lad in the pro shop that I may need 3-4 degree upright because of my height. He said if the toe is down the loft naturally faces right, which makes sense as I have caught the ground with the toe and it can be quite painful.

The changes I am making to my stance to compensate this is very off putting. I dont suppose you know how much a pro would charge to fit and customize a full set by any chance.

DuckSlice

Megatron!! wrote: »

I was told by a lad in the pro shop that I may need 3-4 degree upright because of my height. He said if the toe is down the loft naturally faces right, which makes sense as I have caught the ground with the toe and it can be quite painful.

The changes I am making to my stance to compensate this is very off putting. I dont suppose you know how much a pro would charge to fit and customize a full set by any chance.

I don't know how much as the set I have were offered in the spec in my last post.
Have a word with your local golf shop they may be able to help you out.

slave1

Megatron!! wrote: »

Really starting to get annoyed on the course with this, Ive been playing golf for 4 years and I'm alright considering Ive never had a lesson and don't play regularly. Id finish on an average of 110 strokes on most courses.

I'm 6'4" and no matter how I try to modify my swing the ball always goes right... sometimes the club is hitting in a slightly open position and other times I'm swinging outward in creating a slice:rolleyes:. These strokes are obvious but the ones where I actually get the swing 100% the ball still goes straight of the the right.

I am losing my patience with it and need advice. The way I see it is I can either extend the shafts an inch, flatten the lay a few degrees or get either a lesson or have my swing analyzed. Where do I start?

I'm getting midsize grips fitted in a few weeks so extending shafts at that stage might be the man but I'm not sure if its a great idea extending or bending without advice.

Where is the most economic place to start and how much am I looking at to get the clubs to match me?

Cheers

Possibly both, before going mad purchasing clubs talk to a local pro and maybe lookup turning and releasing your hands on YouTube which would be a likely solution to cure your slice.

GreeBo

you could just get yours bent (or some of them bent) and see if it makes a difference?

kevgaa

In my opinion the best advice you can take is organize a lesson. The pro will analysis your swing and give you a few things to work on that will help you improve. Also any decent pro will tell you after a few shots with your clubs if they are too short and offer advice on what to do next.

Why spend money modifying your clubs without getting expert advice first...

Myksyk

What ever direction your ball starts off is where the face of the club was pointing on impact.

Straight right - usually means you're coming inside with an open face.
Straight left - coming from the outside with a closed face

If the ball swerves gently in the air (fade left to right or draw right to left) usually means the club was square at impact but the path (coming inside or coming from the outside) imparted a nice bit of spin - these are shots people want to be able to reproduce.

If the ball swerves severely (slice or hook) it means on the draw you came inside with a closed face and on the slice you came into the ball from the outside with an open face.

Go to a pro and start getting that face square at impact.

Rikand

Get a lesson

etxp wrote: »

I don't know about the always going right, but for sure you definitely need longer than standard clubs. I'm 6ft2 and have inch longer and 2 degree more upright clubs so you would probably need something similar. Mine are off the shelf and not custom fitted.

I'm also 6'2 but mine were custom fit to be standard length and half a degree more upright. Dependant on your swing, posture and stance aswell at the time of custom fitting I guess.

Original poster::

Go for the lesson first - could be cured with a change of posture or grip or something

Then get custom fit once you've gone for the lesson and when performing the fitting, swing the way your lesson tells you too

norrie rugger

I am 6'1" and, on the drive, the ball will travel straight for about 200metres and then take a massive swerve to the right about 50metres.
Was always wondering the same.

Rikand

norrie rugger wrote: »

I am 6'1" and, on the drive, the ball will travel straight for about 200metres and then take a massive swerve to the right about 50metres.
Was always wondering the same.

For me, I had this problem and bought an offset Driver - changed everything for me. Might be worth your while going to a range and trying out one and see how you go

mike12

norrie rugger wrote: »

I am 6'1" and, on the drive, the ball will travel straight for about 200metres and then take a massive swerve to the right about 50metres.
Was always wondering the same.

Nothing to do with the club it's your swing.
OP go get a lesson and ask the pro to put you on a hit board takes 30 seconds and it will show if the Lie is correct.
Are u sure it's not a shank if you mean straight right.
How does the driver fly.
When you take a divot is it deaper at the toe or heal, if it is even then the lie is usually ok.
Mike

DuckHook

I would get your grip checked OP, always amazes me how instructors can spot peoples shot shape just by looking at how they hold the club. Your swing might be an issue but often the club has no chance of getting square if your holding the club a certain way, really common error by a lot of amateurs apparently.

This guy's videos are quite good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfRot2k-xJQ

John Divney

It's your swing alright, doesn't matter if your 4 foot or 7 foot. Could be Over the top action with open face, shank with hosel due to early extension/Standing up.

m r c

Height on its own doesn't make a difference to length lie etc

I'm 6'4" too and play std loft lie having been checked by more than 1 pro.
I've had all your issues in the past and it came from my hands being too far forward at impact. Which if you think about it leads to an open face and all of those issues, understanding that gave me great control on my left and right spin.

Don't be taking advice off a forum on the net get a lesson or two with someone who understands your swing and its faults.

Megatron!!

John Divney wrote: »

It's your swing alright, doesn't matter if your 4 foot or 7 foot. Could be Over the top action with open face, shank with hosel due to early extension/Standing up.

funny you should say this because the lads always tell me i stand up funny during the swing. A lesson is in order!

Megatron!!

is there any way of telling if your local clubs pro is any use?

whizbang

hands being too far forward at impact. Which if you think about it leads to an open face

Don't be taking advice off a forum

not this one anyway..;)

GreeBo

m r c wrote: »

hands being too far forward at impact. Which if you think about it leads to an open face and all of those issues,

In *your* case.
For me, hands excessively forward causes a closed face and a hook.

m r c wrote: »

Don't be taking advice off a forum on the net get a lesson or two with someone who understands your swing and its faults.

ahem.

Megatron!!

I do have my hands before the ball but thats what I was told to do and its what I am comfortable with. I think the fact I recently change from beginner clubs with an extra inch on the shafts to good tour callaways standard everything might be part to blame.

Ive obviously got to get used to the new ones with change of stance etc. but finding it uncomfortable with the extra bend in my knees to get the lie flat.

Ive taken the advice from you guys and I have a 1 hour video session tomorrow morning at 9 with a local pro to sort this out. Il let you guys no what the pro says and what way he directs me. Cheers for the advice people and hopefully my problem might shed a bit of light on someone elses;)

GreeBo

Megatron!! wrote: »

I do have my hands before the ball but thats what I was told to do and its what I am comfortable with. I think the fact I recently change from beginner clubs with an extra inch on the shafts to good tour callaways standard everything might be part to blame.

Ive obviously got to get used to the new ones with change of stance etc. but finding it uncomfortable with the extra bend in my knees to get the lie flat.

Ive taken the advice from you guys and I have a 1 hour video session tomorrow morning at 9 with a local pro to sort this out. Il let you guys no what the pro says and what way he directs me. Cheers for the advice people and hopefully my problem might shed a bit of light on someone elses;)

The lesson will certainly help, but note that you dont just bend your knees to get lower, you can bend more from the hips (and indeed should if you are a one-planer)

Megatron!!

well, just got my first lesson there. My grip was wrong (right hand was too underneath) so fixed that. My back swing was too long, I was lifting my right heel on the backswing or putting the weight on the outside of right foot. Also way too much movement in my legs. I was starting my forward swing with my shoulders. I now start it with my left hip. All the above led to an open clubface at impact!

So Basically, I keep from hips down still, head still and this stops me from going too far on the backswing, leading the downswing with my left hip gets the clubface closed. Theres a lot less going on in the swing now but the clubface is square at impact and the ball is going straight now every time so happy days. Cheers for the advise people, hopefully this will drop 10 strokes in my game this weekend.

Osgoodisgood

OP if you're serious about your golf you might want to consider having a couple of inches taken off your legs.

John Divney

Megatron!! wrote: »

well, just got my first lesson there. My grip was wrong (right hand was too underneath) so fixed that. My back swing was too long, I was lifting my right heel on the backswing or putting the weight on the outside of right foot. Also way too much movement in my legs. I was starting my forward swing with my shoulders. I now start it with my left hip. All the above led to an open clubface at impact!

So Basically, I keep from hips down still, head still and this stops me from going too far on the backswing, leading the downswing with my left hip gets the clubface closed. Theres a lot less going on in the swing now but the clubface is square at impact and the ball is going straight now every time so happy days. Cheers for the advise people, hopefully this will drop 10 strokes in my game this weekend.

Fair play.


Word of warning, it'll take more than a week to stop the old habits, 18 holes is an eternity when grooving changes, be patient and enjoy.

Once you've gotten rid of the old ones, you can look forward to your 'better swing bad habits'.

Megatron!!

Osgoodisgood wrote: »

OP if you're serious about your golf you might want to consider having a couple of inches taken off your legs.

Ive thought about it, trust me

lway

Megatron!! wrote: »

well, just got my first lesson there. My grip was wrong (right hand was too underneath) so fixed that. My back swing was too long, I was lifting my right heel on the backswing or putting the weight on the outside of right foot. Also way too much movement in my legs. I was starting my forward swing with my shoulders. I now start it with my left hip. All the above led to an open clubface at impact!

So Basically, I keep from hips down still, head still and this stops me from going too far on the backswing, leading the downswing with my left hip gets the clubface closed. Theres a lot less going on in the swing now but the clubface is square at impact and the ball is going straight now every time so happy days. Cheers for the advise people, hopefully this will drop 10 strokes in my game this weekend.

Thanks for this OP, i'm 6' 4" as well and was advised at the Golf shop to get Clubs with an extra Inch on the shafts. I've been slicing a bit on drives but found moving the ball back in my stance on the tee helped this greatly. Must organise a lesson soon as that seems like some pretty solid advice you got.

PARlance

I'm about 5 inches away from having a valid excuse for my slice

Megatron!!

lway wrote: »

Thanks for this OP, i'm 6' 4" as well and was advised at the Golf shop to get Clubs with an extra Inch on the shafts. I've been slicing a bit on drives but found moving the ball back in my stance on the tee helped this greatly. Must organize a lesson soon as that seems like some pretty solid advice you got.

Yep, never would have considered it out of pride but you cant really underestimate advice from someone physically standing there watching you make these mistakes. The advice will at least give me confidence groundwork for consistency. Cant wait to see the look on the lads faces when theyre stood back waiting for the usual late right turn.

Ive long arms so my hands are normal height from ground, so I look a bit like an orangutang when Im playing. Theres a way of measuring yourself(google it) thats the way the pro put it to me. He knew straight away I didnt need Club adjustment.

Try this link but I would get a lesson too. http://www.callawaygolfpreowned.com/clubs/customization-services,default,sc.html

Going by this chart Im 1/inch longer shaft and 2 degrees up. If my irons keep going right after a few rounds I will add 1inch to the shaft when I put my midsize grips on which will automatically make the clubhead 1 degree upright. Then the clubhead will only be out by 1 degree which i can live with.

Im gonna buy the grips solvent and tape and extensions on adverts, already got a good quote and do it myself all for about €100.
This wont be to stop my slight right shots, its mainly to make me more comfortable in my swing by not feeling as much craned over the club.

GreeBo

Should be much cheaper than 100?
Unless the extensions are pretty expensive?
A full set of grips can be gotten for about 40...

Megatron!!

GreeBo wrote: »

Should be much cheaper than 100?
Unless the extensions are pretty expensive?
A full set of grips can be gotten for about 40...

red multicompound golf prides are a lit bit on the steeper side so thats where the inflation comes from

goodgolfer64

Myksyk wrote: »

What ever direction your ball starts off is where the face of the club was pointing on impact.

Straight right - usually means you're coming inside with an open face.
Straight left - coming from the outside with a closed face

If the ball swerves gently in the air (fade left to right or draw right to left) usually means the club was square at impact but the path (coming inside or coming from the outside) imparted a nice bit of spin - these are shots people want to be able to reproduce.

If the ball swerves severely (slice or hook) it means on the draw you came inside with a closed face and on the slice you came into the ball from the outside with an open face.

Go to a pro and start getting that face square at impact.

no harm....but your severe S.spin can be caused by and S.path....
don't honestly reckon this guy will handle any of the info above....