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How to open an Autogas station?

  • 07-07-2013 9:46pm
    #1
    blancha
    Closed Accounts Posts: 38 ✭


    Hi to everybody.
    I'm new here and maybe someone can help. The quastion isl how to open autogas station?.
    thanks in advance


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  • #2
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,520 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    You've got the funding I assume? checked viability of it etc?


  • #3
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    You want to start up a autogas station?
    Where?

    I suppose you could get in touch with autogasireland.ie


  • #4
    Bandara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,282 ✭✭✭Bandara


    The question is why would you open a autogas station !


  • #5
    rebel.ranter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭rebel.ranter


    I wouldn't assume straight off the bat that it is just auto gas that the OP is solely interested in selling. I think they are talking about your regular "petrol station" so HT you are definitely the man to know the ins & outs.


  • #6
    blancha
    Closed Accounts Posts: 38 ✭blancha


    biko wrote: »
    You want to start up a autogas station?
    Where?

    I suppose you could get in touch with autogasireland.ie
    Why autogasireland?. It looks like they have one outlet in Cork. I live in Dublin. I've checked web mylpg.eu and company of the name LPGain has already 2 outlets in Dublin so maybe it'll be better choice .
    I'm trying to open conversion centre in Lucan or near this place.


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  • #7
    Scortho
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,876 ✭✭✭Scortho


    blancha wrote: »
    Why autogasireland?. It looks like they have one outlet in Cork. I live in Dublin. I've checked web mylpg.eu and company of the name LPGain has already 2 outlets in Dublin so maybe it'll be better choice .
    I'm trying to open conversion centre in Lucan or near this place.

    Is it the supply of fuel you are thinking of or the full conversion?

    Is there not an lpg station in laraghcon already?


  • #8
    blancha
    Closed Accounts Posts: 38 ✭blancha


    Scortho wrote: »
    Is it the supply of fuel you are thinking of or the full conversion?

    Is there not an lpg station in laraghcon already?

    I'm looking for a place beside M4.It'll be LPG conversion centre with LPG station open 24h. Laraghcon is in the forest:D


  • #9
    Scortho
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,876 ✭✭✭Scortho


    blancha wrote: »
    I'm looking for a place beside M4.It'll be LPG conversion centre with LPG station open 24h. Laraghcon is in the forest:D

    The target market is too small.
    While LPG is growing it wouldn't be widespread enough to support 2 pumps very close together.
    Isn't there a conversion centre around Palmerston as well (beside n4 cars behind the furniture place)?


    According to this There are no LPG stations in celbridge leixlip and maynooth. Likewise there are none between tallaght the city centee and bray or most of north co. Dublin, (2 in finglas).

    Why would you put one in very close proximity to one in laraghcon.
    While it might be up in the woods, it's not that far out of your way.

    I can't see there being enough profit in LPG, just to sell LPG.
    If there is what stops the likes of every maxol or topaz opening one?
    Which leads to my next question, why only LPG?


  • #10
    mullingar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,340 ✭✭✭mullingar


    I would have thought all you needed was
    -setting up a VAT registered company
    -registering with the revenue as a fuel seller
    -a premises
    - and a large skid lpg tank contract with either calor gas or flow gas.


  • #11
    Saab Ed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,374 ✭✭✭Saab Ed


    If you're in here asking you haven't done anywhere near enough research.

    Best of luck.


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  • #12
    blancha
    Closed Accounts Posts: 38 ✭blancha


    There is no LPG station open 24h in Dublin. Somebody has to do this, so why not me?. This country is last one with no good LPG infrastructure. I don"t want to make money on LPG, conversion to LPG is my goal.


  • #13
    Scortho
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,876 ✭✭✭Scortho


    blancha wrote: »
    There is no LPG station open 24h in Dublin. Somebody has to do this, so why not me?. This country is last one with no good LPG infrastructure. I don"t want to make money on LPG, conversion to LPG is my goal.

    Your best bet would be to open a 24 hr filling station with convenience store etc. and an lpg pump.

    The market is not there to satisfy demand for an lpg only fuel station.


  • #14
    Bandara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,282 ✭✭✭Bandara


    Scortho wrote: »
    Your best bet would be to open a 24 hr filling station with convenience store etc. and an lpg pump.

    The market is not there to satisfy demand for an lpg only fuel station.


    He better start saving so !


  • #15
    bmstuff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭bmstuff


    Scortho wrote: »
    Your best bet would be to open a 24 hr filling station with convenience store etc. and an lpg pump.

    The market is not there to satisfy demand for an lpg only fuel station.

    The market is not there because there is only a handful of lpg stations in the country?
    Just thiking out loud...


  • #16
    ironclaw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭ironclaw


    bmstuff wrote: »
    The market is not there because there is only a handful of lpg stations in the country?
    Just thiking out loud...

    The market isn't there because no consumers exist. And those that do exist are early adopters and happy to have a small bit of inconvenience to find a station or already live near one. Coke wouldn't exist if people didn't drink it etc.

    Supply & Demand, thats simple business and I suggest if thats your outlook you stop now considering going into business.


  • #17
    Scortho
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,876 ✭✭✭Scortho


    bmstuff wrote: »
    The market is not there because there is only a handful of lpg stations in the country?
    Just thiking out loud...

    Thats whats putting me off converting mine to lpg.

    However with the business hat on, when will the demand be there? maybe 2-3 years time. Maybe longer.
    Try explain to the bank manager that your business isnt going to be profitable for the next three years (maybe longer) because there is little demand for your product.

    However throw an lpg pump in beside a few diesel and petrol pumps along with a convenience store and it might have some chance of surviving.


  • #18
    bmstuff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭bmstuff


    ironclaw wrote: »
    The market isn't there because no consumers exist. And those that do exist are early adopters and happy to have a small bit of inconvenience to find a station or already live near one. Coke wouldn't exist if people didn't drink it etc.

    Supply & Demand, thats simple business and I suggest if thats your outlook you stop now considering going into business.

    That was my point there is no market because there is virtually no pump
    Same story with electric cars, finally esb started to build charging points around the city and train stations, then people are buying electric cars...


  • #19
    mullingar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,340 ✭✭✭mullingar


    The only reason my car went back on the road, a 15 year old Lexus GS300 now sporting a lpg kit, is the fact that there is a petrol station just 1 mile from me that sells the stuff at a very good price of 80.9c/litre.

    I had a good chat with the owner and that pump has been there 20± years and he remarked that in the last 6 months his sales of lpg has tripled, and yes tripled, so it is getting there but it will be many years before it will get the penetration that LPG enjoys on the continent.


  • #20
    djimi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,237 ✭✭✭✭djimi


    I suspect that if people started seeing the 80c price of LPG beside the 150 for diesel an 160 for petrol more frequently then the interest in LPG would increase. Its a hard one to know what to do though; Im inclined to agree that adding an LPG pump to a full station is more likely to bring success than having a dedicated LPG station, but then again in or within a 10 mile distance of Naas there are three people selling LPG and two of them are standalone (ie not a full station) so maybe there is money to be made.


  • #21
    blancha
    Closed Accounts Posts: 38 ✭blancha


    I have experience with a couple LPG systems : BRC, STAG, PRINS and Landi Renzo. Which one is the most wanted and popular in this country?. All of them good but in my opinion Prins is best.


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  • #22
    TireeTerror
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,271 ✭✭✭TireeTerror


    Im in Monasterboice and there are 3 LPG outlets within 6 km if I head North, West or South. The problem is that they are all Flogas and they charge a ridiculous 99.9c per litre. At that price, its not really worth it. What provider is offering it at 80c and is it pure profiteering thats allowing Flogas to get away with a 99.9c price?


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