RAM without headsinks/spreaders

viperirl

Hi folks,

Can anyone recommend any particular brand of RAM that have no heatsink/spreakers, just the naked RAM module?

I'm trying to remove the heatsink off my current Corsair RAM and whereas I've got one side off, the other side is stuck on with very strong adhesive. I tried the blowdryer trick but its no use, its not gonna come off.
I have XSPC RAM waterblocks so it would be a shame not to able to use them if I cant get the heatsinks off.

Thanks

NTMK

viperirl wrote: »

Hi folks,

Can anyone recommend any particular brand of RAM that have no heatsink/spreakers, just the naked RAM module?

I'm trying to remove the heatsink off my current Corsair RAM and whereas I've got one side off, the other side is stuck on with very strong adhesive. I tried the blowdryer trick but its no use, its not gonna come off.
I have XSPC RAM waterblocks so it would be a shame not to able to use them if I cant get the heatsinks off.

Thanks

Samsung usually dont have heat spreaders on their ram modules and from what ive heard is very good

deceit

viperirl wrote: »

Hi folks,

Can anyone recommend any particular brand of RAM that have no heatsink/spreakers, just the naked RAM module?

I'm trying to remove the heatsink off my current Corsair RAM and whereas I've got one side off, the other side is stuck on with very strong adhesive. I tried the blowdryer trick but its no use, its not gonna come off.
I have XSPC RAM waterblocks so it would be a shame not to able to use them if I cant get the heatsinks off.

Thanks

Why didnt you choose the blocks for the dominator ram or is it not dominator ram your using?
Its also going to be difficult to get decent quality high speed ram without head spreaders but mushkin stuff has spreaders that are very easy to take off/ put back on.

viperirl

deceit wrote: »

Why didnt you choose the blocks for the dominator ram or is it not dominator ram your using?
Its also going to be difficult to get decent quality high speed ram without head spreaders but mushkin stuff has spreaders that are very easy to take off/ put back on.

It is the dominator ram I have. I can get the spreader off the top easily by removing the 3 screws but its the 'sidewalls' which are attached to the ram PCB with adhesive that are VERY difficult to get off. I got one side off but the other seems impossible and if I use any more force I'll end up breaking the RAM.

game4it70

Samsung Green has no heatsinks and overclocks very well but isn't cheap.

deceit

viperirl wrote: »

It is the dominator ram I have. I can get the spreader off the top easily by removing the 3 screws but its the 'sidewalls' which are attached to the ram PCB with adhesive that are VERY difficult to get off. I got one side off but the other seems impossible and if I use any more force I'll end up breaking the RAM.

There is an xspc block specifically for dominator ram that connects to the top of it. I taught you would have picked them?

viperirl

deceit wrote: »

There is an xspc block specifically for dominator ram that connects to the top of it. I taught you would have picked them?

Yes I have them but they have sidewalls too not just the top part.

deceit

viperirl wrote: »

Yes I have them but they have sidewalls too not just the top part.

Them blocks i'm not sure if they include the right screws to attach them but either way you wouldnt use the sidewalls for your dominator ram, the blocks attach to the top of your ram.

viperirl

The screws dont actually fit which is a bummer.

I've also hit another snag where the XSPC CPU waterblock tall screws are actually in the way of inlet/outlet ports of the EK waterblocks for the Mosfets & SB. I went for those EK ones as the XSPC ones are not suitable for 1/2" compression fittings due to space limitations. So I think I'm gonna have to swap that CPU block for an EK one.
A slight oversight on my part but I'll just have to take the bullet for it.

I might end up going for the Samung Green RAM as people seem to get very good overclocks from it. Since I'm putting waterblocks & sideplates on them anyway, I might as well overclock them.

deceit

viperirl wrote: »

The screws dont actually fit which is a bummer.

I've also hit another snag where the XSPC CPU waterblock tall screws are actually in the way of inlet/outlet ports of the EK waterblocks for the Mosfets & SB. I went for those EK ones as the XSPC ones are not suitable for 1/2" compression fittings due to space limitations. So I think I'm gonna have to swap that CPU block for an EK one.
A slight oversight on my part but I'll just have to take the bullet for it.

I might end up going for the Samung Green RAM as people seem to get very good overclocks from it. Since I'm putting waterblocks & sideplates on them anyway, I might as well overclock them.

The samsung stuff wouldnt overclock as well as the dominator sticks I would have taught.
I taught that was the whole point of dominators was that they overclock well. Can you not order the screws to fit the dominators?
If the screws are in the way for one block would they not be in the way for all as they are in the same place or are you hoping to go over them?
You got a pic update to show where you are with your layout?

Monotype

Gskill sell a set without heatspreaders. Black Dragon, iirc.


It's Geil actually that sells the dragon one.
http://www.memoryc.ie/products/description/8GB_GeIL_DDR3_Dragon_RAM_PC3_12800_1600MHz_CL11_Dual_Channel_kit-2x4GB_/index.html

Or maybe this is what I was thinking of.
http://www.memoryc.ie/products/description/8GB_G_Skill_DDR3_PC3_12800_1600MHz_CL11_NT_Series_Desktop_dual_channel_memory_kit-2x4GB_/index.html


There's 2x8GB versions of these as well.
http://www.memoryc.ie/products/description/16GB_GeIL_DDR3_Dragon_RAM_PC3_12800_1600MHz_CL11_Dual_Channel_kit-2x8GB_/index.html
http://www.memoryc.ie/products/description/16GB_G_Skill_DDR3_PC3_12800_1600MHz_CL11_NT_Series_Desktop_dual_channel_memory_kit-2x8GB_/index.html

Gskill has usually done well in the past for me anyway, though I haven't tried any extreme overclocks with them.

deceit

Monotype wrote: »

Gskill sell a set without heatspreaders. Black Dragon, iirc.


It's Geil actually that sells the dragon one.
http://www.memoryc.ie/products/description/8GB_GeIL_DDR3_Dragon_RAM_PC3_12800_1600MHz_CL11_Dual_Channel_kit-2x4GB_/index.html

Or maybe this is what I was thinking of.
http://www.memoryc.ie/products/description/8GB_G_Skill_DDR3_PC3_12800_1600MHz_CL11_NT_Series_Desktop_dual_channel_memory_kit-2x4GB_/index.html


There's 2x8GB versions of these as well.
http://www.memoryc.ie/products/description/16GB_GeIL_DDR3_Dragon_RAM_PC3_12800_1600MHz_CL11_Dual_Channel_kit-2x8GB_/index.html
http://www.memoryc.ie/products/description/16GB_G_Skill_DDR3_PC3_12800_1600MHz_CL11_NT_Series_Desktop_dual_channel_memory_kit-2x8GB_/index.html

Gskill has usually done well in the past for me anyway, though I haven't tried any extreme overclocks with them.

If your worried about overclocking the g.skill stuff in the link its out of the question as it doesn't clock well. I have 48gb in one machine and 64gb of it spare waiting to to in my main rig but I know I wont get much over 1600mhz and barely a drop in timings.

viperirl

deceit wrote: »

If the screws are in the way for one block would they not be in the way for all as they are in the same place or are you hoping to go over them?
You got a pic update to show where you are with your layout?

It will be midweek before I get a pic up as I'm away until then.
Basically I need to route from either end of the Mosfet waterblock across to the inlet of the CPU block. No matter what end of the Mosfet block I choose, the tall screws get in the way of the compression fitting.
Its a similar story for routing from the CPU outlet downto the SB block. Again a tall screw impeeds the way.

Here is a diagram that shows the route I want to take. The critical one is the part joining the SB block to the CPU. I cannot go any other direction because of the very tall RAM block on the right and the Titan card below it.
I could go over the screws I suppose but I'm wondering if flow would be severly impeeded then.



...and here is a review of the Samsung Green.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Samsung/MV-3V4G3/

deceit

Are you not watercooling the gpu's in the same loop?
If you do you I can show you are much better route?

viperirl

deceit wrote: »

Are you not watercooling the gpu's in the same loop?
If you do you I can show you are much better route?

The GPU's will be in a seperate loop.

If you can think of a better route than the above then of course let me know, but I cant see how another route is possible. Those blasted screws are the problem. If I just got an EK CPU waterblock it would be problem solved as I've seen a photo of it done so I know it would work.

deceit

viperirl wrote: »

The GPU's will be in a seperate loop.

If you can think of a better route than the above then of course let me know, but I cant see how another route is possible. Those blasted screws are the problem. If I just got an EK CPU waterblock it would be problem solved as I've seen a photo of it done so I know it would work.

If you get the ek cpu block then the ram blocks would really look out of place and you should have got the ek blocks then.
I think the xspc stuff looks better though so I would try stick with that if i was you.
You could come in on the southbridge or the cpu block and go from there avoiding the screws.
Come in right side of cpu, left side of cpu, top left ram, bottom left ram, left sb, right sb, bottom right ram, top right ram, right vrm, left vrm/out?
You could do similar by coming in on the right side sb.

viperirl

deceit wrote: »

If you get the ek cpu block then the ram blocks would really look out of place and you should have got the ek blocks then.
I think the xspc stuff looks better though so I would try stick with that if i was you.
You could come in on the southbridge or the cpu block and go from there avoiding the screws.
Come in right side of cpu, left side of cpu, top left ram, bottom left ram, left sb, right sb, bottom right ram, top right ram, right vrm, left vrm/out?
You could do similar by coming in on the right side sb.

hmmm thats a possibilty alright. Thanks!
Unfortunately I think I need a mix of EK and XSPC blocks in there. I got the EK vrm/SB block because the equivalent XSPC blocks said:
**Due to space limitations this water block cannot be used with 1/2? compression fittings.

My fittings are G1/4 thread with 1/2"ID, 3/4"OD so I wasnt too sure if this would have given me problems.

deceit

viperirl wrote: »

hmmm thats a possibilty alright. Thanks!
Unfortunately I think I need a mix of EK and XSPC blocks in there. I got the EK vrm/SB block because the equivalent XSPC blocks said:
**Due to space limitations this water block cannot be used with 1/2? compression fittings.

My fittings are G1/4 thread with 1/2"ID, 3/4"OD so I wasnt too sure if this would have given me problems.

That warning is if you have both beside each other on the sb with no angled fittings. Other than that it would have worked fine then it would have made your loop easier.

viperirl

deceit wrote: »

That warning is if you have both beside each other on the sb with no angled fittings.

sorry...not too sure what exactly you mean here.

deceit

viperirl wrote: »

sorry...not too sure what exactly you mean here.

If you have two 1/2" compression fittings side by side directly connected to the block without angled fittings pointing them different directions.

deceit

viperirl wrote: »

sorry...not too sure what exactly you mean here.

Are you going to use angled 90deg fittings?

viperirl

deceit wrote: »

Are you going to use angled 90deg fittings?

I've a few 90 and 45 degree fittings that I could use here.

deceit

viperirl wrote: »

I've a few 90 and 45 degree fittings that I could use here.

If you where to get the xspc motherboard block you could just use an angled fitting to get around the issue of the size fittings your using.

viperirl

deceit wrote: »

If you where to get the xspc motherboard block you could just use an angled fitting to get around the issue of the size fittings your using.

This looks like the best option at the moment alright, not the cheapest though. One way or another I have to replace one of the blocks, either CPU or mobo. Since the XSPC looks the nicer in my opinion (and I'll be getting XSPC GPU blocks), I probably should stick with all XSPC.

deceit

viperirl wrote: »

This looks like the best option at the moment alright, not the cheapest though. One way or another I have to replace one of the blocks, either CPU or mobo. Since the XSPC looks the nicer in my opinion (and I'll be getting XSPC GPU blocks), I probably should stick with all XSPC.

Yea it will pretty much look like mine then but i'm going all 90deg bitspower fittings and crystal link. Very awkward to set up but when done should look really well (I hope :P ) I'm going to use crystal link in the whole loop bar bottom of the res to the pump and from the top fill port to the drive bay res which I will be using just for filling the loop.
Something like this:
http://www.google.ie/imgres?um=1&sa=N&biw=1845&bih=1105&hl=en&tbm=isch&tbnid=t9ASEqH1r6qqnM:&imgrefurl=http://www.overclock.net/t/1396466/white-knight-tri-titans-sli-build-log&docid=eIJZ9ChIT_1HwM&imgurl=http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/1489388/flags/LL&w=1024&h=768&ei=x6TaUb7iCa6h7AbilIDwBQ&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r:78,s:0,i:323&iact=rc&page=2&tbnh=186&tbnw=232&start=40&ndsp=48&tx=69&ty=89

viperirl

deceit wrote: »

Yea it will pretty much look like mine then but i'm going all 90deg bitspower fittings and crystal link. Very awkward to set up but when done should look really well (I hope :P ) I'm going to use crystal link in the whole loop bar bottom of the res to the pump and from the top fill port to the drive bay res which I will be using just for filling the loop.
Something like this:
http://www.google.ie/imgres?um=1&sa=N&biw=1845&bih=1105&hl=en&tbm=isch&tbnid=t9ASEqH1r6qqnM:&imgrefurl=http://www.overclock.net/t/1396466/white-knight-tri-titans-sli-build-log&docid=eIJZ9ChIT_1HwM&imgurl=http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/1489388/flags/LL&w=1024&h=768&ei=x6TaUb7iCa6h7AbilIDwBQ&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r:78,s:0,i:323&iact=rc&page=2&tbnh=186&tbnw=232&start=40&ndsp=48&tx=69&ty=89

I considered crystal link too but I think I prefer the more natural curves of tubing although having side that, the cystal links might have made the mobo plumbing a bit easier.
Can those bitspower 90 fittings be used with normal compression fittings?

deceit

viperirl wrote: »

...and here is a review of the Samsung Green.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Samsung/MV-3V4G3/

I never heard of these. I just read the review and may have to invest in some

viperirl

deceit wrote: »

I never heard of these. I just read the review and may have to invest in some

According to OCUK, they got the following results:

- 1600MHz (7-8-8-24 1N) @ 1.40v
- 1866MHz (9-9-9-27 1N) @ 1.40v
- 2000MHz (9-10-10-28 1N) @ 1.45v
- 2133MHz (10-10-10-28 1N) @ 1.45v
- 2400MHz (11-11-11-28 2N) @ 1.50v
- In our own in house testing we were able to achieve all the above clock speeds on an Asus X79 platform with 4x4GB modules (16GB total) SuperPI Stable too, 32M

Does anyone here who knows a lot about RAM care to comment on how the above stacks up to the compeitition? Does it really matter for gaming?

deceit

viperirl wrote: »

I considered crystal link too but I think I prefer the more natural curves of tubing although having side that, the cystal links might have made the mobo plumbing a bit easier.
Can those bitspower 90 fittings be used with normal compression fittings?

Yea you can use them. I've about 10 of them in my rig with compression fittings at the moment.
If you want to save money you can use any of the 90deg fittings on specialtech as they are all 1/4" fittings

Monotype

Wow. That RAM is amazing!

Faster RAM will make feck all difference on an Intel system unless it's heavily overclocked. Now, when it is overclocked, you can gain a few FPS.
xbitlabs covered it a few times. Scroll down to the end for results in Crysis Warhead and Far Cry 2.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/ivy-bridge-ddr3_4.html
Those results are probably picked out as they showed a difference. Most games won't show a difference and also the system was overclocked (3570K@4.5Ghz). You won't see those kinds of differences without overclocking.

deceit

Monotype wrote: »

Wow. That RAM is amazing!

Faster RAM will make feck all difference on an Intel system unless it's heavily overclocked. Now, when it is overclocked, you can gain a few FPS.
xbitlabs covered it a few times. Scroll down to the end for results in Crysis Warhead and Far Cry 2.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/ivy-bridge-ddr3_4.html
Those results are probably picked out as they showed a difference. Most games won't show a difference and also the system was overclocked (3570K@4.5Ghz). You won't see those kinds of differences without overclocking.

With the computer he has I would be absolutely shocked if he didnt overclock it to the max it can go.
I'm surprised ram has that much of an impact on any games. I would have taught it was smaller. Its why I always stick with 1600mhz ram. I might switch the the samsung green ram now though and try overclock it. I have my cpu at 5ghz now so might see some benefits to it.

Gumbi

I know that it can help increase your minimums in SC2 by a nice bit.

Monotype

TBH, I'd say those results aren't going to be seen across the board. They did one on Sandy Bridge as well with more games and not all of them showed a difference. What's interesting though is that unless they overclock the CPUs, the differences aren't really to be seen - they had an earlier set of tests which showed nearly no difference between 1333MHz and 2133MHz RAM and you'd be going home thinking that fast RAM was a waste of money.