Restoring Solomon's Temple- the meaning of the Temple in early Christianity.

SoulandForm

A wonderful lecture about the meaning of the Temple for the first Christian's by a very wonderful scholar.

ThreeBlindMice

I would be more concerned about the restoring of Solomon's 3rd Temple and who will be ruling from it. :eek:

Sulla Felix

ThreeBlindMice wrote: »

I would be more concerned about the restoring of Solomon's 3rd Temple and who will be ruling from it. :eek:

Not sure what that means, care to elaborate?

Watching the video now, anyway, will comment more when I've finished it.

lmaopml

Solomon's Temple was built by well.....Solomon - to house the Arc of the Covenant. The first permanent resting place to worship after slavery in Egypt. A huge victory for Isreal.

It was destroyed when Isreal became dispersed and some deported to Egypt by foreign powers.

It was restored after the Maccabean revolt, and that particular Temple stood until approx 90ad - the second Temple.


It was never rebuilt by Isreal after it was destroyed, some of whom would have also witnessed Christ and the destruction of the Temple in one lifetime - both Christians and Jews - an attempt was made under one Emporer Julian to let the Isrealites rebuild it, but nature according to history put an end to rebuilding it, it was destroyed and delayed by natural disasters and deaths of those who attempted to rebuild it according to it's original purpose.


The 'third' Temple according to Christians is not situated on a hill alone, but is inscribed in the heart of those in Communion who build a Temple on the foundation of the Apostles and Christ is at the Head, each Christian another building block, that reaches from Earth to Heaven - the 'Kingdom' has come already, and it reaches from earth to heaven because of Jesus Christ. It's not restricted to a particular geographic location - the harvest is worldwide since Christ came for all people, past, present, and future.

SoulandForm

Sulla Felix wrote: »

Not sure what that means, care to elaborate?

Watching the video now, anyway, will comment more when I've finished it.

The Antichrist is the one who build the rebuild the Temple of Jerusalem- the physical building of a counterfeit Temple on the site of the old one is a sign that the end has more or less come.

Manach

Given the reverence that the Islamic faith hold for that site, building such in that area from a realpolitk viewpoint would have emergent consequences at a regional level.

lmaopml

SoulandForm wrote: »

The Antichrist is the one who build the rebuild the Temple of Jerusalem- the physical building of a counterfeit Temple on the site of the old one is a sign that the end has more or less come.

I don't think that's the 'actual' case SoulandForm that 'all' Christians believe to be the case - The 'Temple' as far as I know is looked on not as merely an earthly thing, but a pointer towards a heavenly truth - even in it's own day it pointed towards the future, the close of things, the communion of all things in truth.

Therefore, not everybody believes that the new 'Temple' of the Anti Christ is to be found here or there, but is a new law really that governs the heart that grooms the heart before the emergence of pride and the power of a man.

The 'Temple' of God to very many Christians is found within their own heart and it builds on the hearts of those who belong to God and it's not found on earth or in heaven, but exists right here and now in both.

ThreeBlindMice

Sulla Felix wrote: »

Not sure what that means, care to elaborate?

Watching the video now, anyway, will comment more when I've finished it.

If you do some basic arithmetic calculations on the four verses of scripture that contain the number 666 (Which give reference to both Solomon's temple and the Antichrist) you will get an eye opening result on whom the identity of this person is.

Locanfetzava

ThreeBlindMice wrote: »

If you do some basic arithmetic calculations on the four verses of scripture that contain the number 666 (Which give reference to both Solomon's temple and the Antichrist) you will get an eye opening result on whom the identity of this person is.

Elaborate on this one please.

lmaopml

ThreeBlindMice wrote: »

If you do some basic arithmetic calculations on the four verses of scripture that contain the number 666 (Which give reference to both Solomon's temple and the Antichrist) you will get an eye opening result on whom the identity of this person is.

Considering nobody knows the day or the hour; it would be really nice for you to enlighten us with that arithmetic that is so obvious.

ThreeBlindMice

lmaopml wrote: »

Considering nobody knows the day or the hour; it would be really nice for you to enlighten us with that arithmetic that is so obvious.

I never said anything would be obvious, in fact quite the opposite.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 also states that the Antichrist must first make an appearance before the second coming of Christ. (Incidentally the passage in question is verse number 29666) And yes no one knows the day nor the hour.

The answer to the question involves basic arithmetic, ie, addition, multiplication and factors but also using the standard English gematria chart which is based on the Greek. I would prefer to leave it up to the mods discretion whether to discuss the subject here or taking it to another forum.

tommy2bad

ThreeBlindMice wrote: »

If you do some basic arithmetic calculations on the four verses of scripture that contain the number 666 (Which give reference to both Solomon's temple and the Antichrist) you will get an eye opening result on whom the identity of this person is.

Gumbi

tommy2bad wrote: »

Broken link for me. I'm face palming at the numerology, though!

Sonics2k

ThreeBlindMice wrote: »

If you do some basic arithmetic calculations on the four verses of scripture that contain the number 666 (Which give reference to both Solomon's temple and the Antichrist) you will get an eye opening result on whom the identity of this person is.

Wasn't the 666 thing disproven and turned out to be 616?

Gumbi

Also if you go to page 666 in the Bible it says 666 on it. Coincidence? I THINK NOT.

Sonics2k

ThreeBlindMice wrote: »

I wouldn't think so.

There are four verses in the Bible that mention the number "666" three in the old and one on the new, links included.

1 Kings 10:14
2 Chronicles 9:13
Ezra 2:13
Revelation. 13vs 18

Add up all the letters in all four verses together and you will get the figure of "216".

216 is six cubed or 6x6x6. (This will only work with the King James)

And why would you come up with 216 cubed? What leads to the decision to do this?
Also, why is only the King James version affected? Surely if the number was of any real significance it wouldn't only work in the barely 400 year old version.

This always seemed a bit similar to the various other so called arithmetic based theories, just like the 9/11 ones.

ThreeBlindMice

Sonics2k wrote: »

And why would you come up with 216 cubed? What leads to the decision to do this?
Also, why is only the King James version affected? Surely if the number was of any real significance it wouldn't only work in the barely 400 year old version.

This always seemed a bit similar to the various other so called arithmetic based theories, just like the 9/11 ones.

I would consider the King James as the most accurate of the English translations despite the archaike dialect. I can prove it with calculations, the way words and phrases were originally intended, etc

As I mentioned on another thread the number 13 being associated with rebellion and evil. A lot of the original KJV script used 13 words in verses to stress the importance of "evil" in the script itself. Modern translations have done away with this completely.

I already mentioned Genisis 13:13 Here's another examples red = 13 words.

“Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue: For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.” John 12:42-43,

NIV version " For they loved human praise more than praise from God" John 12-43

Here's another example: In the King James the 6th word of the 6th verse of the 6th chapter of the 6th book in the New testament you will find the word "Man". You won't get this in modern translations. Romans 6:6

brian_t

ThreeBlindMice wrote: »

Add up all the letters in all four verses together and you will get the figure of "216".

Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred threescore and six talents of gold

Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred and threescore and six talents of gold

Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six

The children of Adonikam, six hundred sixty and six

How do you get the figure of 216 ?

According to Word there are 346 letters in the above (83 words).

Sonics2k

ThreeBlindMice wrote: »

I would consider the King James as the most accurate of the English translations despite the archaike dialect. I can prove it with calculations, the way words and phrases were originally intended, etc

As I mentioned on another thread the number 13 being associated with rebellion and evil. A lot of the original KJV script used 13 words in verses to stress the importance of "evil" in the script itself. Modern translations have done away with this completely.

I already mentioned Genisis 13:13 Here's another examples red = 13 words.

“Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue: For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.” John 12:42-43,

NIV version " For they loved human praise more than praise from God" John 12-43

Here's another example: In the King James the 6th word of the 6th verse of the 6th chapter of the 6th book in the New testament you will find the word "Man". You won't get this in modern translations. Romans 6:6

Ah, so what you're saying is that if you take one version, printed in a certain language totally different to the one it was originally written in where it will obviously change the formatting of the book, you get the word Man.

And this is supposed to be important? Tell me, what if it said Donkey?
Also, that's 6666. What's the word under 666?

I'm also wondering where you base the belief 13 is an evil number and its origin in the bible. I've read a few articles in the past and found many conflicting (not surprisingly) points of view, like this one http://www.faithwriters.com/article-details.php?id=82702

He, and others use the same "basic arithmetic" to show that 13 is also good using the -exact same- logic as you.

So yeah.

ThreeBlindMice

Sonics2k wrote: »

I'm also wondering where you base the belief 13 is an evil number and its origin in the bible. I've read a few articles in the past and found many conflicting (not surprisingly) points of view, like this one http://www.faithwriters.com/article-details.php?id=82702

He, and others use the same "basic arithmetic" to show that 13 is also good using the -exact same- logic as you.

So yeah.

Ill expand on what I wrote before in another post. The Apostle Paul lists 23 things against sinful men, the 13th on the list is in the KJV is "haters of God" most Modern versions have this changed I would have presumed that Jesus would have wanted "God haters" as the worst possible sin for humanity.

The Numerical values of Satan in Hebrew = 364 (13 x 28) Satan, in Greek = 2197 (133) You will also find the number "13" a common factor in all other numerical values for the different names for the Devil if you look them up. This site lists a few more.

brian_t wrote: »

How do you get the figure of 216 ?

According to Word there are 346 letters in the above (83 words).

Yes you are observant I must have taken it up wrong and will look into it, I deleted the post.

However I would considered this the following calculation as the important one and the figures are definitely 100% correct:

1 Kings 10:14 = verse No 9,094
2 Chronicles 9:13 = verse No 11,378
Ezra 2:13 = verse no 12,041.

The total is of the above three = 32,513 or 41 x 793.

Revelation 13:18 is the 30,927th verse or 39 x 793.

All four verses together are therefore 80 x 793.

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Revelation 13:18 is the 30,927th verse of the Bible or 39 x 793.

30,927 = 13 x 793 + 13 x 793 + 13 x 793.

The probability of the number 793 being a common denominator of all four 666 verses is incredible and more so the triplicating 13 x 793's emphasizing the evil of this number in the Antichrist verse.

If you divide 793 by 13 you will get the number 61 which would be regarded as another vital clue.

This Subject will now be continued in the CT forum to respect the charter.

Locanfetzava

Dose anyone know what dates that these temples were destroyed?

Didn't Matthews Gospel foretell the destruction of the first second one.

onestophutbunk

ThreeBlindMice wrote: »

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Revelation 13:18 is the 30,927th verse of the Bible or 39 x 793.

30,927 = 13 x 793 + 13 x 793 + 13 x 793.

The probability of the number 793 being a common denominator of all four 666 verses is incredible and more so the triplicating 13 x 793's emphasizing the evil of this number in the Antichrist verse.

If you divide 793 by 13 you will get the number 61 which would be regarded as another vital clue.

This Subject will now be continued in the CT forum to respect the charter.

This Friday is the 13th of December 2013 and is unique because it triplicates the number "13" and also contains the number 36.

13/12/2013 = 1+3+1+2+2+0+1+3 = 13 Total 13+13+13.

If you also multiply the counting numbers of next Friday you will get "36" which of course is the triangular root of 666.

If you add up all the integers from 1 to 36 you will get 666.

Start an Ordinal Gematria sequence from this number 36 and it will end at 61.

A=36 B=37 C=38 D=39 E=40 F=41 G=42 H=43 I=44 J=45 K=46 L=47 M=48 N=49 O=50 P=51 Q=52 R=53 S=54 T=55 U=56 V=57 W=58 X=59 Y=60 Z=61

“SATANIC GEMATRIA”
S=54 A=36 T=55 A=36 N=49 I=44 C=38…………………….………….= 312
G=42 E=40 M=48 A=36 T= 55 R=53 I=44 A=36………….…........= 354
……………………………………………………………………………........TOTAL = 666

“BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA”
B=37 A=36 R=53 A=36 C=38 K=46…………………………………...... = 246
H=43 U=56 S=54 S=54 E=40 I=44 N=49…………………….…..…… = 340
O=50 B=37 A=36 M=48 A=36……………………………………,,,………. = 207
…………………………………………………………………………….......TOTAL = 793

793 Divided by 13 = 61 the year of Obama’s birth.


"And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast". Revelation 13:3

Peregrinus

The words "steaming", "pile" and "horse-manure" leap at once to mind.

(Along with a few other words to which the mods might take objection.)

Turtwig

Peregrinus wrote: »

The words "steaming", "pile" and "horse-manure" leap at once to mind.

(Along with a few other words to which the mods might take objection.)

A more crafty pere would have used a number cipher to disguise the words.