when do you think?

jamesr123

Lads, How many years do you think it'll be before The garda have to recruit in big numbers? if ever?

According to most people they'll only need a few people next time they recruit so I don't fancy my chances I'm working hard with work, college, voluntary work and i'm getting a little inpatient:o

Citycap

I would safely predict that there will be a significant recruitment campaign commenced within 18 months.
Unfortunately for policing in Ireland and for the public successive governments use An Garda Siochana as a political tool approaching elections.
Shatter has stated that he was seriously considering some recruitment but put it on the back burner because the Gardaí rejected Croke Park 2. They have now accepted the Haddington Road deal so that excuse for no recruiting is gone.
If they don't start recruiting soon there will be no Gardaí under 30 years of age. Not being ageist but the enthusiasm of youth will be evaporating as these Gardaí get married and bogged down in domesticity etc.

There will be a need to recruit at least 500 to start with and then a continuous 100/150 per years to allow for that terrible phrase "natural wastage"

I would say that the next recruitment campaign will be very competitive because despite cutbacks in pay etc people will still be seeking job and pension secuirty.

asgaeilge

At least 500...I think thats too optimistic with the financial constraints the govt keeps banging on about.most say intakes as low as 40.AGS is a very young force many during boom joined at 19,20 and are still few years off 30 which is still a young garda with at least another 25 years to work.as for next campaign it seems like everyone will be applying and for anyone that gets in on their own merit,well done!new pay and conditions are in terrible in ags but no better in priavte sector which has no job security.

miju

asgaeilge wrote: »

new pay and conditions are in terrible in ags but no better in priavte sector which has no job security.

Theres a fair whack of public sector servants who will completely disagree with you on this and alot are putting their money where their mouth is too and looking to leave public sector.

jamesr123

I knew it'd be near impossible to know what numbers they'd be looking to recruit but even a rought guess would have suited me. Really is a shame their keeping everyone waiting around with no idea when it's gonna happen.

I'd imagine it'd cost a fortune to assess all the people that will apply for the next recruitment with the fitness, written tests and interviews that are involved :eek:

annlewis

Hey all. Been a long time lurker, first time poster. Hope you all don't mind.
Are you all waiting on a new recruitment drive or are any of you on the panel? I'm sort of getting a little impatient myself now but at the same time if it's something we want we'll hang in there and give it our best. Competition will be fierce when the new drive opens up though. Hopefully it will open soon with the HRA been all fixed up.

jamesr123

Say they only took 40-50 people. I'd imagine they'd be the most qualified people ever to join AGS.

Tommy_utd16

jamesr123 wrote: »

Say they only took 40-50 people. I'd imagine they'd be the most qualified people ever to join AGS.

Or they are all going to be Sons and Daughters of Chief Supers and Politicians!!!

jamesr123

Tommy_utd16 wrote: »

Or they are all going to be Sons and Daughters of Chief Supers and Politicians!!!

Which i'd say many will be considering it's been such a long time since last recruitment. Saying that they still have to pass the same tests but after them they are laughing. Doesnt look good for next recruitment anyway

I'm sure Alan shatters daughter would be welcomed into AGS with open arms

asgaeilge

Tommy_utd16 wrote: »

Or they are all going to be Sons and Daughters of Chief Supers and Politicians!!!

undoubtedly a percentage will be,my money is on a very high percentage sadly..its rampant in most jobs when economy is in a recession

annlewis

The sons and daughters of supers and what nots still need to go through Public Appointments anyhow but I'd say once they get to interview stage they have it pretty much. Still no reason to pass them than anyone else if they are well competent. The son or daughter could make the worst guard ever. I guess it all remains to be seen.
There will be some excitement when the campaign does open again. Please God the ball will start rolling soon

msg11

annlewis wrote: »

The sons and daughters of supers and what nots still need to go through Public Appointments anyhow but I'd say once they get to interview stage they have it pretty much. Still no reason to pass them than anyone else if they are well competent. The son or daughter could make the worst guard ever. I guess it all remains to be seen.
There will be some excitement when the campaign does open again. Please God the ball will start rolling soon

Don't get all this talk of chiefs and what not. Not everyone wants to be a police officer. If it is the case then, there should be 2 parts of the interview that is independent of AGS it's only fair everyone gets a decent chance at joining.

Plus, if sons and daughters of chiefs etc , are allowed to walk into a job in AGS how much respect do you think these people will have for there senior ranks very little and very little for the job, every time someone is told off it would be a case of daddy will have a word in someones ear.

If I was a chief and my son wanted to join, he can go the same way everyone else dose. I would give him advise at the stages, but I wouldn't be letting him just walk in.

Tommy_utd16

msg11 wrote: »

Don't get all this talk of chiefs and what not. Not everyone wants to be a police officer. If it is the case then, there should be 2 parts of the interview that is independent of AGS it's only fair everyone gets a decent chance at joining.

Plus, if sons and daughters of chiefs etc , are allowed to walk into a job in AGS how much respect do you think these people will have for there senior ranks very little and very little for the job, every time someone is told off it would be a case of daddy will have a word in someones ear.

If I was a chief and my son wanted to join, he can go the same way everyone else dose. I would give him advise at the stages, but I wouldn't be letting him just walk in.

You don't know very much about An Garda Siochana then! Good luck to you and your morals at a career

asgaeilge

msg11 wrote: »

Don't get all this talk of chiefs and what not. Not everyone wants to be a police officer. If it is the case then, there should be 2 parts of the interview that is independent of AGS it's only fair everyone gets a decent chance at joining.

Plus, if sons and daughters of chiefs etc , are allowed to walk into a job in AGS how much respect do you think these people will have for there senior ranks very little and very little for the job, every time someone is told off it would be a case of daddy will have a word in someones ear.

If I was a chief and my son wanted to join, he can go the same way everyone else dose. I would give him advise at the stages, but I wouldn't be letting him just walk in.

Of course its only right people get a fair chance but its not a fair world.If you're head of an organisation or hold a Senior position be it AGS,HSE(as highlighted in article on another thread here) bank,insurance company etc you are going to have clout to get people in.There is simply nothing stopping it unless there is some invisible force field Im not aware of.If I was a Chief Super or higher rank and my son,friend of the family etc wanted to get in,I would abuse my power to help him out..morally wrong but if someone said to me i'll get you in..I wouldnt say 'no' and chance it along with the rest of the country..be unsuccessful..where would morals get me then..nowhere!
It should be an independent process whereby after interviews are finalised the results are posted out by an independent body but that will never happen.I know gardai who are gardai because of their connections same with any job..not just ags.

There's going to be alot more people who have connections than there will be places available.

Canyon86

All this talk of 'pull' and clout' will only come into play at interview stage,


He/She will have to do very very very well to get to this stage as the aptitude test will be a major stumbling block to most!!;)

Citycap

asgaeilge wrote: »

At least 500...I think thats too optimistic with the financial constraints the govt keeps banging on about.most say intakes as low as 40.AGS is a very young force many during boom joined at 19,20 and are still few years off 30 which is still a young garda with at least another 25 years to work.as for next campaign it seems like everyone will be applying and for anyone that gets in on their own merit,well done!new pay and conditions are in terrible in ags but no better in priavte sector which has no job security.

The average of the people recruited to the Gardaí at the last recruitment campaign was 23. They are all moving towards 30 now. At the other end there have been many retirements of people who were entitled to retire having completed 30 years service and be at least 50 years of age. Any recruitment must be significant to be of any use.

As regards pull there is not a Garda majority on the interview board anymore so the old boys network will not necessarily work if the two civilians aren't on board (of course knowing Ireland they will be able to run a few of their own through in exchange for letting the Superintendents son or daughter through)
There really is no point comparing pay in conditions in public versus private. Many private sectors are successful, profitable and employees have good pay and conditions. The public sector have job security (for now) but there is such an air of pessimism in that sector that it certainly wouldn't attract me

Canyon86

Citycap wrote: »

The average of the people recruited to the Gardaí at the last recruitment campaign was 23. They are all moving towards 30 now. At the other end there have been many retirements of people who were entitled to retire having completed 30 years service and be at least 50 years of age. Any recruitment must be significant to be of any use.

As regards pull there is not a Garda majority on the interview board anymore so the old boys network will not necessarily work if the two civilians aren't on board (of course knowing Ireland they will be able to run a few of their own through in exchange for letting the Superintendents son or daughter through)
There really is no point comparing pay in conditions in public versus private. Many private sectors are successful, profitable and employees have good pay and conditions. The public sector have job security (for now) but there is such an air of pessimism in that sector that it certainly wouldn't attract me

Good post CityGap,

Lot of interesting points made!!

Recruitment needed badly!:)

annlewis

Recruitment definitely badly needed. Another Guard injured on the m1/m50 yesterday evening.

Seen as the Dail are breaking up for their summer holidays next Thursday do you think its fair to say that nothing will happen until they return?

Citycap

annlewis wrote: »

Recruitment definitely badly needed. Another Guard injured on the m1/m50 yesterday evening.

Seen as the Dail are breaking up for their summer holidays next Thursday do you think its fair to say that nothing will happen until they return?

You never know.
There is no Police Authority in the Republic so the Government uses the Gardaí for their own ends. If the Government are under pressure they use such things as Garda recruitment to cancel out bad news.
Shatter may feel that he needs a bit of good publicity and could announce recruitment. He was going to do so before the Gardaí rejected Croke Park 2 so the preparatory work for an announcement is done.

jamesr123

Lads, for some strange reason I feel it'll be soon

annlewis

I hope your feeling is right Jamesr123

Tommy_utd16

jamesr123 wrote: »

Lads, for some strange reason I feel it'll be soon

I wonder will they announce it before or around the same time as the PSNI in fear of losing the best potentional recruits

annlewis

Sorry Tommy,when is the PSNI? Is that a definite go aheadm

Tommy_utd16

Hey Annlewis, it's fairly certain for August/September. It's the word on here and I was also in belfast recently and heard from a good source it's definitely happening but couldn't get exact dates or numbers.

jamesr123

If it's a big intake, it'll be intresting to see how many reserves/non reserves get in.

jamesr123

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annlewis

That's great Tommy. Thanks. Could very well pave the way for our government to follow suit.
It really has been a long long time considering the last recruitment drive was May 2008.

Tyron Jara

jamesr123 wrote: »

If it's a big intake, it'll be intresting to see how many reserves/non reserves get in.

Yes thats what im wondering too. Could lose alot of the reserve force if they dont play this right. Ive heard the panel is still there too...nothing is for certain though until it actually happens

annlewis

The panel is still there for the moment. No decision has been made in relation to that. It's a fair few years old now. A good 5 years with folks still keen.

jamesr123

annlewis wrote: »

The panel is still there for the moment. No decision has been made in relation to that. It's a fair few years old now. A good 5 years with folks still keen.

I think long serving reserves and members of the panel should get preference. I mean it proves the people involved have put work into it already.


I'd say if they did'nt take people from the reserves then the reserves wouldnt be happy and I'd guess many members would simply leave/lose interest I know it's been said before but leaving people waiting around like that is a disgrace.

yenom

Next year is an election year. The promise will be during the election/Budget and won't come into force till later on. That's my opinion anyway.

annlewis

The Promise. The good oul promises that so easily flow out of the ministers mouths when they want something from us. Sigh.
Guys at this stage now my faith is dwindling away.
Didn't Alan Shatter and the Commissioner say numbers were not going to drop below 13'000?

yenom

annlewis wrote: »

The Promise. The good oul promises that so easily flow out of the ministers mouths when they want something from us. Sigh.
Guys at this stage now my faith is dwindling away.
Didn't Alan Shatter and the Commissioner say numbers were not going to drop below 13'000?

It's not up to him, the cabinet have to come up with money for it.

Canyon86

:pac:http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0715/462572-garda-recruitment/

yenom

I knew it, election year.

Sierra Oscar

Fantastic to finally hear some news on the matter, looking forward to more information emerging.

Canyon86

yenom wrote: »

I knew it, election year.

conveinent alrite aint it!!

jamesr123

27,000? I'd say there will be a lot more than that applying. Can't wait till this all starts off. I just heard it on the radio and ran back into the house to make the announcement of boards. Canyon Looks like you got there before me :P Might be another 'promise' but at least it's mentioned in the news.

Canyon86

jamesr123 wrote: »

27,000? I'd say there will be a lot more than that applying. Can't wait till this all starts off. I just heard it on the radio and ran back into the house to make the announcement of boards. Canyon Looks like you got there before me :P Might be another 'promise' but at least it's mentioned in the news.

I could easily see a 100,000 + applying!! competiton be insane id say!!

Sorry about that James the early bird gets the worm!!

What are you doing whilst waiting?

jamesr123

Canyon86 wrote: »

I could easily see a 100,000 + applying!! competiton be insane id say!!

Sorry about that James the early bird gets the worm!!

What are you doing whilst waiting?

Well sadly I lost my job a few months ago but I have a very good reference, i'm back in college and starting training with the civil defence in september:D.

I also done my ECDL and have my Driving license years now so I suppose that's somthing. Competition will be fierce for full time so truth be told I might just concentrate on trying to join the reserves first.

Canyon86

jamesr123 wrote: »

Well sadly I lost my job a few months ago but I have a very good reference, i'm back in college and starting training with the civil defence in september:D.

I also done my ECDL and have my Driving license years now so I suppose that's somthing. Competition will be fierce for full time so truth be told I might just concentrate on trying to join the reserves first.

Good man! kept busy so!!

Competition will be crazy alrite!!

endacl

jamesr123 wrote: »

Well sadly I lost my job a few months ago but I have a very good reference, i'm back in college and starting training with the civil defence in september:D.

I also done my ECDL and have my Driving license years now so I suppose that's somthing. Competition will be fierce for full time so truth be told I might just concentrate on trying to join the reserves first.

Why not concentrate on both? Public service recruitment is fairly transparent, and fairly fair. Don't sell yourself short. You've as good a chance as anybody else in your position. Best of luck.

Canyon86

endacl wrote: »

Why not concentrate on both? Public service recruitment is fairly transparent, and fairly fair. Don't sell yourself short. You've as good a chance as anybody else in your position. Best of luck.

Ya exactly! go for both! Thats what I am doing.. Im at stage 2 in the reserves and also going for full time when it comes up

jamesr123

endacl wrote: »

Why not concentrate on both? Public service recruitment is fairly transparent, and fairly fair. Don't sell yourself short. You've as good a chance as anybody else in your position. Best of luck.

I suppose by the time recruitment comes, I should have a good bit of voluntary and college work done.

i'v been unemployed for just over a year but in that time i'v been doing courses in fas and obair so I suppose that'll help me?

i'm only 21 so i'v still lots of time I suppose

endacl

jamesr123 wrote: »

I suppose by the time recruitment comes, I should have a good bit of voluntary and college work done.

i'v been unemployed for just over a year but in that time i'v been doing courses in fas and obair so I suppose that'll help me?

i'm only 21 so i'v still lots of time I suppose

There'd be no harm asking advice from serving members. Especially the last intake. They'll tell you what a good candidate looks like.

jamesr123

endacl wrote: »

There'd be no harm asking advice from serving members. Especially the last intake. They'll tell you what a good candidate looks like.

I'd say community work and some kind of college education would be expected. I know they are not a requirement but I suppose things like that would look good on a cv/application especially if you were particularly young and it's a great talking point. but ye, Advice from people who has went through the process would be greatly appreciated not just to me but i'm sure a lot of the posters on the forum..

D Trent

All I'll say is I'm looking forward to the College Open Day:)

Canyon86

D Trent wrote: »

All I'll say is I'm looking forward to the College Open Day:)

Same trent! be interesting!!:D

goldie fish

They have to cut the grass in the accom blocks first.. Been a while since any human entered....

damienf1

Hi everyone i am planning to apply for guards next year i was wondering what others things i could do to improve my chances at getting in. To date i have degree in computing was member of the R.D.F for three years and went travelling for year.

pilatus

goldie fish wrote: »

They have to cut the grass in the accom blocks first.. Been a while since any human entered....

The accommodation blocks have been maintained believe it or not and are in great condition. Last time I was down in November last, one of the blocks was receiving a fresh lick of paint. The internal dual heating/alarm clock system still works, waking you at 6.50 on the dot. Those of you that have been there will know what I'm talking about.