New Bone T. Woods

jackhua

Hi,

I am kind of new to Golf. have been playing Golf just after a year and half. Really enjoy leaning and playing this sports.
like to see the ball goes to where i wnat it to land with a nice low trajectory. Enjoy to curve the ball with desired direction and have 1 or 2 hops in the green and stop right beside the hole wihtin 3 foot.

Any way, like this game so far.

however, my experience on golf is only small and there are many questions need to be answered. hope you guys/girls can help me out.

Technical questions:

1. Does grip change time to time? why? how to collectly follow the change and implement it?
2. Do i have to deloft all the irons and wedges? why?
3. How much hip turn in down swing is right and how do i know during swing.
4. is over swing a killer? why does it not kill John Daly, Phil Mickelson.....
5. how important to have pivot movement or is it not one of essentials?
6. Head up/down? how to judge if my head is up/down too much?
7. Forearms rotation? do i have to rotate them or just let them go?

Mental and Strategic questions:

1. i hit balls so solid on range but on course i am another person. tried different methords to fix this. used routing, breathing, taget............. Dont see too much credits so far
2. How much do i have to be relaxed. I know what is relax. and the most relaxed time for me is when i am in bed however, to hit a ball 200m you will defenitly to delivery your energy to the ball. So, what is relaxed and how? perticularly on the course.
3. do i aim the middle of the green or the hole?? they are both a dot on the green.
4. does curving the ball against the wind give you more credit? why?

Membership of a golf club:

i am thinking to join a golf club so i can have my handicup card and to play open compititions in different clubs. But don't know which one to go for. i am living in Lucan area. i suppose the price is the 1st however, the quality of the club would be important too. Don't like to be in the Q waiting for hit ball for ever..../


I ahve many questions but lets start here and see where it goes.

PARlance

jackhua wrote: »

Hi,

I am kind of new to Golf. have been playing Golf just after a year and half. Really enjoy leaning and playing this sports.
like to see the ball goes to where i wnat it to land with a nice low trajectory. Enjoy to curve the ball with desired direction and have 1 or 2 hops in the green and stop right beside the hole wihtin 3 foot.

If you're doing this after a year or so then I'd forget about the list of questions.

Maybe go see a Pro for lessons to elevate your game to the next level, I'd recommend Sean Foley but seeing as you are in Lucan, Denis Pugh may be handier...

jackhua

ajcurry123 wrote: »

If you're doing this after a year or so then I'd forget about the list of questions.

Maybe go see a Pro for lessons to elevate your game to the next level, I'd recommend Sean Foley but seeing as you are in Lucan, Denis Pugh may be handier...

thanks, where and how would i find Denis Pugh?

I normally take a lesson after every 3/4 month. however, i found the lesson would give you a bit ideas to understand where or what is wrong with you swing or mental. but doesn't necessary to have a right solution for you to solve ur problems. i think this is because Pros look you as general player but i think each person would be totally different.

how do i defind my level to decide what to do the next? time length might not be the only criteria to look at, isn't it?

fearruanua

jackhua wrote: »

thanks, where and how would i find Denis Pugh?

I think aj might be pulling your leg jack : )

jackhua

fearruanua wrote: »

I think aj might be pulling your leg jack : )

no, not at all.

i know what golf is!!

i know my ability too.:)

DuckSlice

Denis Pugh and Sean Foley are professional golf coaches. Sean foley is Justin Rose's coach and tiger woods.

Aj was trying to be funny.... again!

NapoleonInRags

I saw the thread title and thought Tiger was up to his old tricks again!

jackhua

etxp wrote: »

Denis Pugh and Sean Foley are professional golf coaches. Sean foley is Justin Rose's coach and tiger woods.

Aj was trying to be funny.... again!

Actually, i have seen so much video of these guys'. such like tom watson's, phil mickelson's, michael breed's, jack nicklaus' ...... of couse denis and sean's as well. even youbub coatching like mark crossfield, shawn clement ...... And met michael bannon once for few tips. So, there is really no harm to have a chat with denis pugh if AJ knows hiw well.

Make people smille is always a good thing!:) but if the questions can be answered i would be happer!:)

jackhua

NapoleonInRags wrote: »

I saw the thread title and thought Tiger was up to his old tricks again!

Sorry for any miss leading!:)

PARlance

jackhua wrote: »

I ahve many questions but lets start here and see where it goes.

jackhua wrote: »

So, there is really no harm to have a chat with denis pugh if AJ knows hiw well

Sure he just called around for lunch there, we had T & a Roll
He was well fed after it...

Can't wait to see where this goes myself

jackhua

ajcurry123 wrote: »

Sure he just called around for lunch there, we had T & a Roll
He was well fed after it...

Can't wait to see where this goes myself

give ue a shout the next time. Never played him before!

GreeBo

now now lads, if you dont have anything to contribute, please dont!

jackhua

Really!??
no one likes to talk about my questions??! only, some "slicer,hook,thin,fat... shots"?!

Fergus_Nash

jackhua wrote: »

Hi,

Technical questions:

1. Does grip change time to time? why? how to collectly follow the change and implement it?
2. Do i have to deloft all the irons and wedges? why?
3. How much hip turn in down swing is right and how do i know during swing.
4. is over swing a killer? why does it not kill John Daly, Phil Mickelson.....
5. how important to have pivot movement or is it not one of essentials?
6. Head up/down? how to judge if my head is up/down too much?
7. Forearms rotation? do i have to rotate them or just let them go?

Mental and Strategic questions:

1. i hit balls so solid on range but on course i am another person. tried different methords to fix this. used routing, breathing, taget............. Dont see too much credits so far
2. How much do i have to be relaxed. I know what is relax. and the most relaxed time for me is when i am in bed however, to hit a ball 200m you will defenitly to delivery your energy to the ball. So, what is relaxed and how? perticularly on the course.
3. do i aim the middle of the green or the hole?? they are both a dot on the green.
4. does curving the ball against the wind give you more credit? why?

So I'll try to answer these.

The grip can change usually because of age. Younger golfers have strong grips so they hit hooks the whole time because their flexibility is usually greater than adults. So people can change from a strong grip to a weak grip through age but I don't know of any other reason. Changing grips is like any other swing change I'd guess, it has to feel unnatural at the start or else your doing it wrong.

I don't know of any reason to deloft clubs.

For your hips, I'd guess the best angles at the top of the swing is to have your shoulders at 90 degrees and your hips at 45 degrees. Then start the downswing with your legs. At impact you might want your shoulders square and your hips open to ~10-20 degrees maybe, with your right heel just off the ground. It's best not to feel that you have spun your hips out of the way, as this usually leads to snap hooks and blocks and just general inconsistency.

Well I've never heard of over swinging actually killing anybody, but it's usually best not to try it. A golfer needs lots of flexibility and coordination for it to work. It won't lead to any extra distance or anything like that.

What do you mean by pivot?

At address, hold your head naturally, as if your spine could extend through your head. There's no need to cock your head up, or have your chin rest against your chest. There needs to be enough room for your shoulder to pass under your head.

There's no need to consciously rotate your arms on the backswing as your body will do that itself, but there is probably need to rotate them during impact. The way to know this is if you are swinging along the correct plane and the ball is still going off-line, then you are probably doing something wrong.

But listen, the best way to answer all of these questions is to go to a pro and get him or her to sort you out. Get a lesson every two weeks or every month and go from there, as opposed to only every now and then.

The pro can probably answer the mental question as well, but aim at the centre of the green for two reasons at least. One, not many greens are more than 20 or 30 yards wide so your putt won't be all that long. Two, it takes away the anxiety of trying to hit it at the hole whereas the centre of the green is a much bigger target.

Shaping the ball into the wind means it usually ends up going straight, as opposed to relying on the wind to stay constant.

How's your short game by the way, because that is far more important?

jackhua

Fergus_Nash wrote: »

So I'll try to answer these.


How's your short game by the way, because that is far more important?

great opinions on these questions!!

on the short game i have a weird concepts:

• if a player has good long games why should him/her worry about the short games.
• on the green for the last 50 years. the percentage of putts has not been changed. 90% holed from 3 foot (no matter who u r). ...........

i think try to get the ball to 3 foot circle is the key. if not from irons, then try to take 2 putts to hole the ball. if the irons don't get ball on green then just take one more shot and see if in 3 foot and take either 1 or 2 putts.

so, i don't practice my short games at moment. and i am thinking to practice them when my long game has reached to my limit.:D

DuckSlice

jackhua wrote: »

great opinions on these questions!!

on the short game i have a weird concepts:

• if a player has good long games why should him/her worry about the short games.
• on the green for the last 50 years. the percentage of putts has not been changed. 90% holed from 3 foot (no matter who u r). ...........

i think try to get the ball to 3 foot circle is the key. if not from irons, then try to take 2 putts to hole the ball. if the irons don't get ball on green then just take one more shot and see if in 3 foot and take either 1 or 2 putts.

so, i don't practice my short games at moment. and i am thinking to practice them when my long game has reached to my limit.:D

70% of the game is inside 100yards, short game is the most important, and that's why you should practice it!

OilBeefHooked2

Serious question, is english your first language and what does the thread title mean?.

jackhua

etxp wrote: »

70% of the game is inside 100yards, short game is the most important, and that's why you should practice it!

you might be right but i dont want to take more than 3 shots to get the ball inside 100 yards. and this is long game isn't it?:(

Fergus_Nash

jackhua wrote: »

great opinions on these questions!!

on the short game i have a weird concepts:

• if a player has good long games why should him/her worry about the short games.
• on the green for the last 50 years. the percentage of putts has not been changed. 90% holed from 3 foot (no matter who u r). ...........

i think try to get the ball to 3 foot circle is the key. if not from irons, then try to take 2 putts to hole the ball. if the irons don't get ball on green then just take one more shot and see if in 3 foot and take either 1 or 2 putts.

so, i don't practice my short games at moment. and i am thinking to practice them when my long game has reached to my limit.:D

Saying the short game is not something to be worried about if a person has a good long game is certainly a weird concept, but let's look at this.

I know you're not a member of a club, but in recent rounds how many greens in regulation have you hit? How many fairways have you hit and how many putts have you taken? How many times did you get up and down in two shots?

Knowing this will let us all know what base you're coming from and whether you're on the right track.

jackhua

david-k wrote: »

Serious question, is english your first language and what does the thread title mean?.

no, its not.
the title? it means a "new Tiger" s born.
it doesn't really mean anything

DuckSlice

Sounds like you are a pro and know all the answers. it doesn't take 3 shots 2 get inside 100 yards, but normally it will take at least 2 shots to get down inside 100 yards! Do you not follow?

jackhua

etxp wrote: »

Sounds like you are a pro and know all the answers. it doesn't take 3 shots 2 get inside 100 yards, but normally it will take at least 2 shots to get down inside 100 yards! Do you not follow?

yes, this is my problem at moment. i spend way more than 2 shots to get on to green. which is not good. i think.
i certainly trying to know all the answers and this is really the same to all the beginners.:D

DuckSlice

More than 2 shots to get to the green is standard for a beginner.

What score did you go around in on your last round?

jackhua

etxp wrote: »

More than 2 shots to get to the green is standard for a beginner.

What score did you go around in on your last round?

last saturday in Grange Castle i took 88 shots.

Fergus_Nash

jackhua wrote: »

last saturday in Grange Castle i took 88 shots.

Not bad, can you remember your statistics for the day?

jackhua

Fergus_Nash wrote: »

Not bad, can you remember your statistics for the day?

yes,

6 par
9 bogey
1 double
1 triple
37 putts

DuckSlice

jackhua wrote: »

yes,

6 par
9 bogey
1 double
1 triple
37 putts

You need to work on your putting.

Fergus_Nash

That's good scoring,you're far from a beginner.

How many greens and fairways did you hit? Did your lag putting let you down or was it from 6 feet and in?

jackhua

etxp wrote: »

You need to work on your putting.

Certainly!!!!
followed my current concept i d like to leave it at the last.
because i still think my swing is not consistent and can be better.

also, am i wrong to say putt might be a bit easier than irons/woods/wedges?

ForeRight

Can't believe this wind up is getting serious replies!!!

ssbob

Short game is where you need to focus some of your energy but I would advise taking your list of questions to a local pro.

You really would want to be averaging about 1.7/1.8 putts per hole which would give you 30-32 putts per round, if you are hitting more greens then this might go up a little, but 37 putts is too high IMO.

Have you ever heard of the App Golfshot, download this and enter your full stats on it, we can all have a look?

jackhua

Fergus_Nash wrote: »

That's good scoring,you're far from a beginner.

How many greens and fairways did you hit? Did your lag putting let you down or was it from 6 feet and in?

i am an absolutely inconsistente player.
could be good on woods today and the irons will be ****
if i am good on irons today and the woods will be ****

this is something i am looking at and this is why all the questions came up in the very start.

the last round i was good at irons so hit from rough still get me close to the ping.

i know my putt is way off but still think it can be soved at the last.

jackhua

ssbob wrote: »

Short game is where you need to focus some of your energy but I would advise taking your list of questions to a local pro.

You really would want to be averaging about 1.7/1.8 putts per hole which would give you 30-32 putts per round, if you are hitting more greens then this might go up a little, but 37 putts is too high IMO.

Have you ever heard of the App Golfshot, download this and enter your full stats on it, we can all have a look?

i will have a try on this app!!!!:D

GreeBo

jackhua wrote: »

Certainly!!!!
followed my current concept i d like to leave it at the last.
because i still think my swing is not consistent and can be better.

also, am i wrong to say putt might be a bit easier than irons/woods/wedges?

Your swing is fine, 37 putts is terrible.
Its far easier to reduce putts than to suddenly start hitting more greens.
anyway, even if you hit 18 GIR you will still probably have 36 putts, so improving your long game wont improve your score.
Hitting 30 putts will improve it by 7 shots immediately.

Oilbeefhooked!

jackhua wrote: »

yes,

6 par
9 bogey
1 double
1 triple
37 putts

That's only 17 holes .
Would be nice to discount the score on the last sometimes though - would def help my handicap

PARlance

GreeBo wrote: »

Your swing is fine, 37 putts is terrible.
.......
Hitting 30 putts will improve it by 7 shots immediately.

Sorry to interrupt the OP's questions:

Terrible!?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056978802&page=2

It's not too far off an 8 HC'er :eek:

I think the best average putts on that thread was 33 putts per round and that was a 6 HC'er.
Hitting 30 putts would indeed improve his score by 7 shots... but he'd be giving Sean and Denis lessons then

jackhua

Oilbeefhooked! wrote: »

That's only 17 holes .
Would be nice to discount the score on the last sometimes though - would def help my handicap

sorry, that was 7 par:D

FWVT

Ok Jack, me have some question...

When you stop the charade? I think you're telling a few porkies.

GreeBo

ajcurry123 wrote: »

Sorry to interrupt the OP's questions:

Terrible!?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056978802&page=2

It's not too far off an 8 HC'er :eek:

I think the best average putts on that thread was 33 putts per round and that was a 6 HC'er.
Hitting 30 putts would indeed improve his score by 7 shots... but he'd be giving Sean and Denis lessons then

an 8 handicap is hitting far more greens in regulation; the more greens you hit the more putts you will have.
Thats why Par is on in regulation and 2 putts.

37 putts is a bad day on the greens, for anyone.
If you are a high handicap it means you cant get up and down to save your life, if you are a low handicap it means you cant putt to save your life.

GreeBo

As per my previous warning, if you have nothing to add then do not post in this thread again.
No more warnings, for anyone.

FWVT wrote: »

Ok Jack, me have some question...

When you stop the charade? I think you're telling a few porkies.

jackhua

FWVT wrote: »

Ok Jack, me have some question...

When you stop the charade? I think you're telling a few porkies.

:mad::mad::mad:

you don't think i have played 1.5 year or you think i would putt much more than 37?
pls have your points clear so i can get into it.

FWVT

jackhua wrote: »

:mad::mad::mad:

you don't think i have played 1.5 year or you think i would putt much more than 37?
pls have your points clear so i can get into it.

For someone who shoots 88 you ask a lot of basic questions that someone who shoots 88 would know the answers to.

Your stats don't add up to 88, even including your "par 7".

And for someone whos claims to have such a bad long game you must be getting most greens in regulation to shoot 88 in 37 putts.

Your story just doesn't add up. Sorry.

In any case the other posters are correct when they say that the most important shots are made from 100 yards in. I would strongly recommend not neglecting this side of the game.

PARlance

GreeBo wrote: »

an 8 handicap is hitting far more greens in regulation; the more greens you hit the more putts you will have.
Thats why Par is on in regulation and 2 putts.

Yes, an 8 Handicap will have more putts per GIR than non GIR.
I get the whole Par being a GIR and 2 putts, thanks

GreeBo wrote: »

37 putts is a bad day on the greens, for anyone.

Indeed, it's below average, it's bad, but it ain't terrible as you first declared, to which my initial response was aimed.

GreeBo wrote: »

If you are a high handicap it means you cant get up and down to save your life, if you are a low handicap it means you cant putt to save your life.

No it doesn't, that logic is far too simplistic... for both types

Taking the Low Handicap
A low handicap does not necessarily mean that you can't put to save your life, a low handicap could have 37 putts from a combination of a high % of GIR's and a bad day pitching and chipping from their missed GIR's.

GreeBo

ajcurry123 wrote: »

Indeed, it's below average, it's bad, but it ain't terrible as you first declared, to which my initial response was aimed.

Sorry but it is terrible. Its at least 7 more shots than you should be taking.
so 50% of a 14 handicap golfer is going in extra putts...thats terrible!

ajcurry123 wrote: »

No it doesn't, that logic is far too simplistic... for both types

Taking the Low Handicap
A low handicap does not necessarily mean that you can't put to save your life, a low handicap could have 37 putts from a combination of a high % of GIR's and a bad day pitching and chipping from their missed GIR's.

The OP stated they had 7 pars that day, so obviously something was working, I find it hard to believe that all 7 of these were GIR and 2 putts of a ~16 handicap.
Even with a bad day chipping and pitching an 8 ( who is going to be hitting 7 or so GIR (~36%)) wont have 37 putts unless they putt terribly that day.


7 GIR x 2 putts = 14
So thats still 23 more putts that they took on 11 holes.
So they had a 3 putt *and* didnt have a single up and down all day out of 11 tries?
Sorry but to me thats a terrible day on the greens from someone off 8.

Im an 8 who is a below average putter, I've only had more than 36 putts 5 times in 3 years (40+ rounds)
Even with poor scrambling on those days (as witnessed by the corresponding stats) I was still putting badly, case in point, anything over 36 putts includes at least 1 3 putt (and likely many more, off 8 you dont not get up and down often, otherwise you wouldnt be off 8)

And yes, having 30 putts would knock 7 shots off his score, thats exactly why I said to focus on that and forget about trying to hit the ball closer, its the easiest way to dramatically reduce your score.

Its far easier to not 3 putt than it is to suddenly start hitting greens with a 3i for example.

jackhua

seems u r a very experience d player which is a good thing!
these questions r what i am trying sort out i dont really care if they r basic. maybe u can help me out.
yes, the numbers add up is 86 that was from my card. when i gave the number i was just trying to remember the score. and both of these 2 numbers dont bother me that much. u might think i m not saying the truth or think my long game is good. it doesnt bother me either!
i am trying to enjoy the game as much as i can and shearing my question here and u might be trying to do something else here…

DuckSlice

seems to be a regular thing now in a lot of these threads to oppose Greebo.

PARlance

GreeBo wrote: »

Sorry but it is terrible. Its at least 7 more shots than you should be taking.
so 50% of a 14 handicap golfer is going in extra putts...thats terrible!

You're living in a fantasy world there.
You believe everyone on here should be taking at most 30 putts per round????
You're getting into PGA Tour territory there.

Have a look at the "Show us your Stats" thread, there is only one person who averages 30 putts on it and he is a 4 Handicap.
No one averages under 30 putts.
Most average between 33-35 putts.

Lets deal with reality not fantasy...

GreeBo wrote: »

Even with a bad day chipping and pitching an 8 ( who is going to be hitting 7 or so GIR (~36%)) wont have 37 putts unless they putt terribly that day.

That's not the example I used.
This is:
An 8 that has a good day with GIR's 66% 12 GIR's * 2 = 24
He also has a bad day chipping on the 6 remaining holes he is just as far away as a GIR 6 *2 = 12, total of 36. Throw in a 3 putt for good measure.

So, unlike your original post, a low handicapper can have 37 putts without meaning that they can't putt to save their life.
Good day GIR's, Bad Day around the Greens, Below average Putting can easily = 37 putts

GreeBo wrote: »

Im an 8 who is a below average putter, I've only had more than 36 putts 5 times in 3 years (40+ rounds)
Even with poor scrambling on those days (as witnessed by the corresponding stats) I was still putting badly, case in point, anything over 36 putts includes at least 1 3 putt (and likely many more, off 8 you dont not get up and down often, otherwise you wouldnt be off 8)

Well you're a very consistent "below average putter" so because your stats say that you average 34.2 putts...
Very consistent indeed if you've only had 3 rounds of more than 36 putts in 3 years...

GreeBo

ajcurry123 wrote: »

You're living in a fantasy world there.
You believe everyone on here should be taking at most 30 putts per round????
You're getting into PGA Tour territory there.

Despite your protestations you are missing the GIR point again.
30 putts is impressive for a Pro because they are hitting so many greens, we are not.
A bad chip is going to get you within 10 feet, a pro would be delighted to have 10 foot putts for birdie.

ajcurry123 wrote: »

Have a look at the "Show us your Stats" thread, there is only one person who averages 30 putts on it and he is a 4 Handicap.
No one averages under 30 putts.
Most average between 33-35 putts.

And what does that tell us? That most of us are bad putters.
Also, 34 (the avg between 33 and 35) is 3 shots less per round than the OP.
Think about that 3.
What would you give to suddenly average 3 shots less per round?

ajcurry123 wrote: »

That's not the example I used.
This is:
An 8 that has a good day with GIR's 66% 12 GIR's * 2 = 24
He also has a bad day chipping on the 6 remaining holes he is just as far away as a GIR 6 *2 = 12, total of 36. Throw in a 3 putt for good measure.

So, unlike your original post, a low handicapper can have 37 putts without meaning that they can't putt to save their life.
Good day GIR's, Bad Day around the Greens, Below average Putting can easily = 37 putts

How often do you think your scenario above occurs compared to mine, where the person is just a bad putter.
Off 8, a bad short game day doesnt leave you as far away as you would normally be with a GIR, otherwise you would be shooting 10 over nett.
It just doesnt happen like that in reality.

ajcurry123 wrote: »

Well you're a very consistent "below average putter" so because your stats say that you average 34.2 putts...
Very consistent indeed if you've only had 3 rounds of more than 36 putts in 3 years...

5 times in 3 years, if you are going to throw stats around, at least use the right ones.
I know exactly what my stats say, them being my stats and all...

You are welcome to look at my golfshot stats, but I wouldnt be happy with 34 putts.
On my course that means I have 42 shot left to play to my handicap.
24 once you remove tee shots.
10 Par 4s I will need approach shots on, thats 14 shots left
2 par 5s that I will need 2 more shots on, thats 10 shots left.
so with 34 putts, assuming 6/7 GIR I have 10 "spare" shots on 10/11 holes to play to my handicap.
Being generous on my GIR and calling it 8, I have 8 pars and 10 bogeys that day.

So if I have a double, boom, thats it, over par for the day.

Im also not having too many birdies if Im hitting 34 putts, off 8 I should be having some, to make up for the dropped shots in other places.

Basically 34 putts results in too much pressure on the rest of your game.

Sure it also means you short game is pathetic in general, but no one gets to 8 with a pathetic short game. The higher your handicap the more shots you have before you get to the green, thus your approach shot is from much closer and is going to end up much closer to the hole than someone hitting a GIR (on average)
If you are using up all those shots to get to the green and are then taking the ssame amount of putts as someone who is hitting all the GIR, you either cant putt to save your life, have zero shortgame, or both.
The fact that you are also throwing in a 3 putt to me says you cant putt, as no ones short game is so bad that the *never* get the ball within 10 feet of the pin with 18 tries.


/edit
Oh and you are welcome to view my stats anytime you want.

DuckSlice

ajcurry123 wrote: »

That's not the example I used.
This is:
An 8 that has a good day with GIR's 66% 12 GIR's * 2 = 24
He also has a bad day chipping on the 6 remaining holes he is just as far away as a GIR 6 *2 = 12, total of 36. Throw in a 3 putt for good measure.

do you honestly think an 8 handicapper is going to go around and not get 3/4 one putts? also 3 putt is very rare for a person playing off 8.

the example you used is ridiculous. my average putts per round is 33, im a 14 handicap, Greebo is off 8. now according to golfshot my putting is very good, im better than the average 14HC, so going by this you would have to say Greebo is below average.

if i had 37 putts i would be kicking myself. my best is 29.

Putting is the first thing the OP should be practicing, its the simplest stroke in golf. forward and back, no wrist movement to put everything out of line, or cock everything up.

PARlance

etxp wrote: »

seems to be a regular thing now in a lot of these threads to oppose Greebo.

Are we not allowed to have a different point of view to him?

DuckSlice

Never said that. Just saying what i observed. He seems to "wrong" a lot of the time.