Cow keeps putting out the calving bed? what to do?

Bodacious

Lads/ladies im at my wits end with this cow and what to do with her?

she put the bed out after a natural calving and vet put it in immediately and stitched her but she started showing it again about 6 weeks after calving, i put the part the length of my arm back into her now three times, got vet to put 4 stitches in her lastnight under local anaesthetic (3 month withdrawal) was hoping thta would hold it in until she reared the calf and kill her then

she has a great white bull calf (one pictured on photo thread) and he is not 2 months yet so up in the air as to what can i do to keep it in and what to do for three months or will she die of an infection on me.

any advice welcome or ask me if ive left out any detail:o

agriman27

I wonder could you put some kinda harness on her the same as a sheep with that problem I don't no:rolleyes:

greysides

The stitches should do the job as long as she's not constantly forcing. Is there any infection present as a course of antibiotics isn't going to increase the meat withdrawal time.
Otherwise just watch the stitched area for infection developing.

bob charles

Bodacious wrote: »

Lads/ladies im at my wits end with this cow and what to do with her?

she put the bed out after a natural calving and vet put it in immediately and stitched her but she started showing it again about 6 weeks after calving, i put the part the length of my arm back into her now three times, got vet to put 4 stitches in her lastnight under local anaesthetic (3 month withdrawal) was hoping thta would hold it in until she reared the calf and kill her then

she has a great white bull calf (one pictured on photo thread) and he is not 2 months yet so up in the air as to what can i do to keep it in and what to do for three months or will she die of an infection on me.

any advice welcome or ask me if ive left out any detail:o

did he really have to use a 3 month withdrawal product, was there need for a local anesthetic. they have really limited your options. I have never used a local anesthetic when stitching up a calving bed and was ready to kill if I saw any sign of things not improving

paddyc310

Should have stitched only and straight to factory I know not easy decision but very hard to keep infection ,,every kind of fly etc this time of year the vet must have good hope for her. Ask his opinion again. Wish you luck ,,,

bbam

Bodacious wrote: »

Lads/ladies im at my wits end with this cow and what to do with her?

she put the bed out after a natural calving and vet put it in immediately and stitched her but she started showing it again about 6 weeks after calving, i put the part the length of my arm back into her now three times, got vet to put 4 stitches in her lastnight under local anaesthetic (3 month withdrawal) was hoping thta would hold it in until she reared the calf and kill her then

she has a great white bull calf (one pictured on photo thread) and he is not 2 months yet so up in the air as to what can i do to keep it in and what to do for three months or will she die of an infection on me.

any advice welcome or ask me if ive left out any detail:o

Our vet says that if she's constantly forcing then there is no way back... She'll just keep putting it out..

Factory or she'll be a total loss

larthehar

bbam wrote: »

Our vet says that if she's constantly forcing then there is no way back... She'll just keep putting it out..

Factory or she'll be a total loss

We had a ewe like that this year.. stitched her 3 times and she kept forcing... ended up pushing out her arse... had to stitch that too! After 2 months she just stopped.... sold the lamb the other day and she is going to the mart..

Basically hang in there!! It will pass...

blue5000

Heard of a brandy bottle being used on a ewe:eek:

RobertKK

bbam wrote: »

Our vet says that if she's constantly forcing then there is no way back... She'll just keep putting it out..

Factory or she'll be a total loss

This is what I was going to post, had a cow who put out a small bit, she always wanted it out, had vet out a few times to stitch her, the only solution is to send her to the factory.

edit to add, you could get the cows stitched enough times to have the calf reared, all you can do is see how the stitches go.

Bodacious

agriman27 wrote: »

I wonder could you put some kinda harness on her the same as a sheep with that problem I don't no:rolleyes:

might try making up something alright

Bodacious

greysides wrote: »

The stitches should do the job as long as she's not constantly forcing. Is there any infection present as a course of antibiotics isn't going to increase the meat withdrawal time.
Otherwise just watch the stitched area for infection developing.

no infection at present but its only a matter of time id expect.

she forcing against the stitches and obviously in pain as she ripping the vulva with every push she giving against the stitches.

in a bit of a pickle with her for sure and she was a great young probably my best, 3 bull calves @ 5years and oceans of milk, will get poor price@ factory as she not thriving either.. will separate and go feeding her and the calf separately as he will have to get used of eating sooner than expected

Bodacious

blue5000 wrote: »

Heard of a brandy bottle being used on a ewe:eek:

bottle top in or fat side in? be a queer mess if she broke the bottle in her and bottle without cork would great a vaccum you'd imagine and suck onto internal surfaces.. might help tho if it started sucking onto bed give it more grip

mf240

Finodine will stop her forcing all be it temporarily buy if you gave it for a few days (check with vet if this is ok) it might alow some of the swelling and irritation to go down. Anestecic was a bit of a mistake but that's no help to you.

greysides

I've had problems with calves forcing bad due to coccidiosis. Answer was analgesia, in this case repeated epidurals combined with injectable analgesics. It takes a while for what's causing the pain to go but then they're okay.

Ask your vet to check the withdrawal time again. Three months doesn't seem right.

For example: http://www.yorkvetsupplies.co.uk/product/adrenacaine-solution-for-injection-for-cattle/

http://www.dechra.co.uk/files//dechra/Downloads/Pharma/SPCs%20Global/SPC%20Sheet%20-%20Willcain.pdf

jomoloney

larthehar wrote: »

We had a ewe like that this year.. stitched her 3 times and she kept forcing... ended up pushing out her arse... had to stitch that too! After 2 months she just stopped.... sold the lamb the other day and she is going to the mart..

Basically hang in there!! It will pass...

not wishing to go off thread but stitching ewes is outdated ,

IMO stitching actually causing forcing, we usually get a length of soft rope and make up a prolapse harness, (much better than bought one 'cos of design)

ewes can lamb unaided with it

blue5000

Bodacious wrote: »

bottle top in or fat side in? be a queer mess if she broke the bottle in her and bottle without cork would great a vaccum you'd imagine and suck onto internal surfaces.. might help tho if it started sucking onto bed give it more grip

Neck in I think, then baler twine tied to the fleece to keep bottle in:o

Lizard_Moon

There are different types of stitches used.

I find the buried stitch (Buhner) that doesn't go thru the wall of the vulva works the best.

Stitches thru the vulva can be a source of irritation and make them force.

Needs antinflammatories and antibiotics after treatment as a cow may force with a calf bed infection anyway.

RE withdrawal time, all anaesthetics in cattle and sheep, which must be used when stitching, are used under the cascade or via importation licence so have extended withdrawal times.these may differ from the ones posted on the UK sites

Bodacious

i dosed her with zanil before vet put stitches in her :mad: is that 28 day withdrawalperiod set in stone?!

bob charles

Bodacious wrote: »

i dosed her with zanil before vet put stitches in her :mad: is that 28 day withdrawalperiod set in stone?!

sure is

Bodacious

update for ye lads/ladies,

I took stitches out washed the life out of it with buckets and buckets of warm water/savlon and hibbiscrub and put it back in, got antibiotic from vet depra - something 3 days x 20mlb 7 day withdrawal

went on 5 hour return trip and bought dairy cow E450 1 month calved and serious bag on her, got home at 1.30 am and she had prolapsed again so 6am again this morning before work I repeated procedure and tonight she held it in and looks 100% better so im hopeful again.

calf is sucking dairy cow now also, I kept him in pen all day with dairy cow and hisn own cow in paddock, started to let him suckle his own dam and then swapped them.. very easy.. famous words:rolleyes:

bob charles

Bodacious wrote: »

update for ye lads/ladies,

I took stitches out washed the life out of it with buckets and buckets of warm water/savlon and hibbiscrub and put it back in, got antibiotic from vet depra - something 3 days x 20mlb 7 day withdrawal

went on 5 hour return trip and bought dairy cow E450 1 month calved and serious bag on her, got home at 1.30 am and she had prolapsed again so 6am again this morning before work I repeated procedure and tonight she held it in and looks 100% better so im hopeful again.

calf is sucking dairy cow now also, I kept him in pen all day with dairy cow and hisn own cow in paddock, started to let him suckle his own dam and then swapped them.. very easy.. famous words:rolleyes:

why not just leave her stitched?

Bodacious

bob charles wrote: »

why not just leave her stitched?

She had managed to push it out and ripped vulva only 2 of 4 stitches remained and were useless at that stage