Good news for ordinary decent drinkers

Snickers Man

TDs tell the medical profession to hump off!

No doubt the good doctors will be mortally offended that their wishes can't be translated into state action. "But we WANT to tell people exactly what to do and have the government enforce our advice. Nobody will ever listen to us so we have to have the state enforce our wishes"

Try again, suckers.

Oh there'll be some doctors crying in their beer about this one.

Until the TDs decide that drink can't be sold outside of pubs for twice the price

Banjo String

TD's know better than medical professionals now?

/heads off to 'clinic'.

camel jockey

What are you on about? TDs are a vested interest - how many publicans sit in Dail Eireann as TDs or Senators?

The same reason teachers have it so good.

camel jockey

Plus what has alcohol advertising or sponsorship got to do with 'ordinary decent drinkers'?

AnonoBoy

They took a good hard look at all the issues* and decided that they knew best and alcohol sponsorship should stay in sports.




*But mostly how much money the drinks industry were pumping into things

suicide_circus

camel jockey wrote: »

Plus what has alcohol advertising or sponsorship got to do with 'ordinary decent drinkers'?

As an ordinary decent drinker and libertarian, my only concern in this area is the attempt to impose minimum pricing.

garv123

I have never seen an alcohol sponsor on a jersey or around Croke Park and taught hmm yeah Im going to get pissed drinking that..

Son Of A Vidic

You just can't beat the oul brown enevelope.

Dravokivich

They are already forced to reference the "Drinkaware" campaign. It doesn't make sense to me to revoke sponsorship and advertising for it. There's a lot of money from there that gets invested back into sports. Also without the money, tickets for gigs and festivals will become a lot more expensive.

syklops

I was at Bon Jovi at the weekend. Sponsored by Heineken, and by sponsored I mean Heineken were the only company awarded a license and were making the most of their monopolised situation by charging 6 euro per plastic cup of beer. There was no other vendor and they were searching bags on the way in looking for the illicit booze. Most people going to the event knew this would be the situation so were getting liquered up before hand.

Drink responsibly? How about run events responsibly with an assortment of vendors selling at reasonable prices? A bottle of vodka from a filling station should never cost less than 4 beers at a gig.

Sparks43

syklops wrote: »

I was at Bon Jovi at the weekend. Sponsored by Heineken...........................

Cant pop all the blame on Heineken tbh. They only get the stock price on their product.

Ive worked at events in the past and most of the money is creamed off by the people who organize the bars.Seen many times kegs been put to one side for distribution to other locations and many other lovely scams that line all pockets except the student staff that they get now for minimum wage.

chris_ie

syklops wrote: »

I was at Bon Jovi at the weekend. Sponsored by Heineken, and by sponsored I mean Heineken were the only company awarded a license

I hate events like this. Went to Witness years back (before it was Oxegen) and found it annoying, all the checks, expensive drink etc..

Went to Glastonbury quite a few times since and was fantastic. Relaxed atmosphere, didnt really notice any drunks. They let you take alcohol in to the festival, once you're in there are no checks between different areas. We even got a bus into the town for £1 got a crate of beer and took it back in. As long as you aren't take ALOT in, i.e. for selling, then they're fine.

Sergeant

What about us boorish gurrier-style drinkers? What's in it for us?

VinLieger

Its not the medical proffessionals who are the problem its the nanny state shites like shortall who "know best"

garv123

syklops wrote: »

I was at Bon Jovi at the weekend. Sponsored by Heineken, and by sponsored I mean Heineken were the only company awarded a license

At the Olympics Only McDonalds were allowed sell chips on their own. If you went somewhere else you had to buy fish and chips or what ever it was set that they were allowed sell. They weren´t allowed give chips out on their own.


Pretty crazy.

Richard Hillman

VinLieger wrote: »

Its not the medical proffessionals who are the problem its the nanny state shites like shortall who "know best"

People like that are just looking for a legacy. A chance to say "It was me that did it". I doubt in her heart of hearts that she truly gives a bollox about Drink Advertisements at sporting events.

Richard Hillman

syklops wrote: »

I was at Bon Jovi at the weekend. Sponsored by Heineken, and by sponsored I mean Heineken were the only company awarded a license and were making the most of their monopolised situation by charging 6 euro per plastic cup of beer. There was no other vendor and they were searching bags on the way in looking for the illicit booze. Most people going to the event knew this would be the situation so were getting liquered up before hand.

Drink responsibly? How about run events responsibly with an assortment of vendors selling at reasonable prices? A bottle of vodka from a filling station should never cost less than 4 beers at a gig.

There is good and bad with that. Obviously the bad is the lack of choice but the good side of it is that there is a steady flow of drinks. The people pouring the pints can just repeatedly pour pint after pint thus the queue is just a slow walking procession. If they had 3 or 4 different drinks, the queue would take a lot longer.

chris_ie

Richard Hillman wrote: »

There is good and bad with that. Obviously the bad is the lack of choice but the good side of it is that there is a steady flow of drinks. The people pouring the pints can just repeatedly pour pint after pint thus the queue is just a slow walking procession. If they had 3 or 4 different drinks, the queue would take a lot longer.

Most of the time each vendor will have their own tent, so you'd just go to the tent that serves the drink you want.

Giruilla

VinLieger wrote: »

Its not the medical proffessionals who are the problem its the nanny state shites like shortall who "know best"

Exactly.. narrow minded naive interventionist delusional ignorance. They have no idea how to quantify the thousands of knock on effects interfering in an industry that has grown naturally with minimal intervention for 30+ years..
..but still feel their 'opinion' should be forced through regardless.

How about realising we breed drinkers in our society and there may be other routes to this. Maybe we could replace religion and irish in school to more thought inspiring subjects like psychology and philosophy that could train us to reflect reasonably rationally on our alcohol problem.

Sergeant

VinLieger wrote: »

Its not the medical proffessionals who are the problem its the nanny state shites like shortall who "know best"

She's a classic interventionist. Seems to be a legacy symptom of many a leftie who got involved in radical politics during the 70's. Their ideas of an economic utopia based on the gibberish of Marx turned out to be 'pie-in-the-sky' stuff, so they now like to get involved on the big ticket social issues.

It's the height of arrogance masquerading as concern.

syklops

Richard Hillman wrote: »

There is good and bad with that. Obviously the bad is the lack of choice but the good side of it is that there is a steady flow of drinks. The people pouring the pints can just repeatedly pour pint after pint thus the queue is just a slow walking procession. If they had 3 or 4 different drinks, the queue would take a lot longer.

It was a long walk to the heineken tent and a long walk back where you spilt about half of your 6 euros.

Sparks43 wrote: »

Cant pop all the blame on Heineken tbh. They only get the stock price on their product.

Ive worked at events in the past and most of the money is creamed off by the people who organize the bars.Seen many times kegs been put to one side for distribution to other locations and many other lovely scams that line all pockets except the student staff that they get now for minimum wage.

I was served heineken, in the heineken tent, being served by girls wearing heieken t-shirts. If someone else is causing a bad taste in my mouth then thats heinekens problem. Funnily enough I was at an event last year on the continent which was also sponsored by heineken and the beer ran closer to 2 euro, not 6, and there was no searching of bags going on.

gurramok

I want O2 to be removed from the Irish rugby jersey, it is encouraging me to develop an illness from mobiles.

Snickers Man

VinLieger wrote: »

Its not the medical proffessionals who are the problem its the nanny state shites like shortall who "know best"

In this instance, it bloody well IS the medical profession. Or at least a section of it. If you glance at the letters pages, or at the make up of discussion shows on radio/TV which debate this topic, it's nearly always some doctor making the case for more restrictions and greater taxes on alcohol.

Wouldn't mind if it worked but it patently doesn't and they just won't brook any contradictions.

Pompous gits.

Karl Stein

Snickers Man wrote: »

it's nearly always some doctor....

Damn those bloody doctors and their regard for public health.

making the case for more restrictions and greater taxes on alcohol.

Because they're medical experts who consider research that shows correlations and see the damage that's caused by alcohol abuse?