True Detective [HBO] [** Spoilers **]

Whatsisname

I've such an attachment to Rust after only 6 episodes, its crazy.

Grimebox

He has lost my sympathy in the latest episode though. He really isn't a nice person, even if I enjoy his philosophies. I really thought he was going to resist Maggie

Whatsisname

Grimebox wrote: »

He has lost my sympathy in the latest episode though. He really isn't a nice person, even if I enjoy his philosophies. I really thought he was going to resist Maggie

I thought so too but it just highlights how he's his own worst enemy, he can't resist drink, women and running his mouth. Quite an enjoyable character though.

meoklmrk91

Right so I said at the start of this thread that I was going to wait until this was over to start, I had nothing to watch on Saturday and just couldn't hold out any longer, I just finished the six episodes that are out and wow, just wow, this is one of the best that I have ever seen and the pilot is probably the best pilot I have ever seen, it was just incredible.

I am completely and utterly enthralled and in a way I am now kickin myself that I have 2 weeks to wait until the conclusion, this is the best thing on TV and may just be the most excellent series that has ever graced our screens. The production is fantastic the music, which is by the excellent T.Bone Burnett it on a new level. I have been following his work for a few years and he is one of the best out there but he has reached new highs on this.

FloatingVoter

Well...that confirmed one thing - Rust is a sociopath. No empathy or human sympathy. The logical conclusion due to a poor future when found guilty of killing your kids is kill yourself. Therefore find an opportunity. He's innocent of all the fuss and bother of tying up and killing kids himself. They're annoying granted but easily ignored.
As for Woody...well he has his own little finding God, justice for the wrongdoer universe going on in his head. And shooting the weird bloke just because he found some kids in the barn does not ring true. Hardened detectives have found worse (Fred West take a bow) and put the cuffs on.

Mardy Bum

FloatingVoter wrote: »

Well...that confirmed one thing - Rust is a sociopath. No empathy or human sympathy. The logical conclusion due to a poor future when found guilty of killing your kids is kill yourself. Therefore find an opportunity. He's innocent of all the fuss and bother of tying up and killing kids himself. They're annoying granted but easily ignored.
As for Woody...well he has his own little finding God, justice for the wrongdoer universe going on in his head. And shooting the weird bloke just because he found some kids in the barn does not ring true. Hardened detectives have found worse (Fred West take a bow) and put the cuffs on.

Take a look Reggie when he comes out of the basement and have a thing of what was after happening to the kids. That is why Marty lost it.

GottaGetGatt

Wow! Maggie is a bit twisted.

Eod100

Just finished latest ep, pieces of the jigsaw are fitting nicely together, Can't wait for the last 2. This was tweeted by Nic Pizzolatto recently along with ''Sensible advice to viewers, I think'', worth a read:

http://www.uproxx.com/tv/2014/02/true-detective-theories-misguided-opinion/

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience

oh lawd

dat ass

IvaBigWun

This reminds me of my first viewing of The West Wing.

Solely that I certainly havent a clue what is fully going on but Im enthralled by it regardless and cant wait to watch it all again for it to make sense

Effects

What's going on with Marty and all the tampons? Soaking them with booze and putting them up his ass?
Didn't his superior mention something to him about it too?

Royal Legend

At the end of 6, Marty checking his gun before he goes for a drink with Rust. First thought is that he is wary of Rust, second one is that he wants to kill him for ruining his life.

GottaGetGatt

Effects wrote: »

What's going on with Marty and all the tampons? Soaking them with booze and putting them up his ass?
Didn't his superior mention something to him about it too?

I assumed he was getting them for the daughter and his boss Leroy called him a human tampon because of the state he was in.

HazDanz

Royal Legend wrote: »

At the end of 6, Marty checking his gun before he goes for a drink with Rust. First thought is that he is wary of Rust, second one is that he wants to kill him for ruining his life.

I think the line which said no one forgives, they just have short term memories was an important point that they wanted to bring up.

It wouldn't surprise me to see the boys husling together to solve this case regardless of past differences.

Effects

That many though?

Eod100

Yer man Tuttle is some creep!

Eod100

Ep 7 preview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBvXKe-HMhA

14 sec mark, is that Cohle in the mask?

googled eyes

I am going to miss Rust when this season ends.

FloatingVoter

GottaGetGatt wrote: »

I assumed he was getting them for the daughter and his boss Leroy called him a human tampon because of the state he was in.

He was getting them for the ladies in his lfe - shopping for wimmins stuff then stopping by a bar to pick up a dixie chick...typical dad stuff.
I wonder if Prince Charles is following this - he may have had an uncomfortable moment at the "human tampon" reference.

kryogen

Grimebox wrote: »

He has lost my sympathy in the latest episode though. He really isn't a nice person, even if I enjoy his philosophies. I really thought he was going to resist Maggie

He has never pretended to be a nice person though

He has his weaknesses and he knows them, he embraces them to a point and lets the darkness within guide him a lot.

Fascinating character

Edit: Also, to counter the suggestion he has no human empathy/sympathy because he told the woman if she gets a chance to kill herself

I would see it as the opposite, he is able to empathize so much with the monsters of this world even, that he genuinely doesnt want her to suffer since she is actually mentally ill, he doesnt hold her fully responsible for her actions, in the same way he would have held whats his name in the woods accountable for what he did with the kids etc

I dont think he was telling her that because he was trying to be a cold hearted bastard, I think he genuinely felt sympathy for her situation and because of her medical condition that suicide is the kindest option she has.

She didnt consciously choose to do evil things, she was compelled by sickness is my take on why he has some compassion for her

Grimebox

Eod100 wrote: »

Ep 7 preview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBvXKe-HMhA

14 sec mark, is that Cohle in the mask?

Yeah I think so

SimonTemplar

I too read Rust's "kill yourself" line to be out of compassion rather than disgust. He is such a fascinating character and his absence will be sorely felt in season two.

Adamocovic

Another good episode. Favourite show at the moment! Anyone else get the suspicion that maybe Rust's daughter was actually kidnapped possible and didn't die in a car crash? Could be completely wrong but Rust seems to have a very personally attachment to missing person files. Only reason I could see this not being the case is because the police would have to have it on record and then would probably give him some slack and not give him those cases. Anyway why do people think he is so obsessed with it and was so sure they didn't catch the right guy? Is it just a the sort of detective he is or does he have some personal connection? Going to miss this cast.

meoklmrk91

Adamocovic wrote: »

Another good episode. Favourite show at the moment! Anyone else get the suspicion that maybe Rust's daughter was actually kidnapped possible and didn't die in a car crash? Could be completely wrong but Rust seems to have a very personally attachment to missing person files. Only reason I could see this not being the case is because the police would have to have it on record and then would probably give him some slack and not give him those cases. Anyway why do people think he is so obsessed with it and was so sure they didn't catch the right guy? Is it just a the sort of detective he is or does he have some personal connection? Going to miss this cast.

I just think it's because he has nothing else in his life, yes he got married after the case was closed but that didn't last, he is completely obsessed with his work, even his house is just a mattress on the floor, it looks as though nobody lives there, there are no material possessions, not even a picture of his daughter, just a mattress on the floor and a coffee machine. The place is just littered with evidence and artefacts from the case.

ricero

i came across a great theory after watching the promo for episode 7

Marty's ex-father in law is involved somehow. Marty's daughter was molested by the cult/yellow king hence the barbie doll gangrape scene/sexually explicit drawings, threesome/captain of varsity slut team behavior. the break-in at tuttle's house is gonna be cohle getting that footage he shows Hart. theories. just theories

it would explain a lot

kryogen

ricero wrote: »

i came across a great theory after watching the promo for episode 7

Marty's ex-father in law is involved somehow. Marty's daughter was molested by the cult/yellow king hence the barbie doll gangrape scene/sexually explicit drawings, threesome/captain of varsity slut team behavior. the break-in at tuttle's house is gonna be cohle getting that footage he shows Hart. theories. just theories

it would explain a lot

Yeah the theory has come up already, very plausible

Grimebox

I think that theory involving the father in law is reaching. I would be very surprised if he is featured again at all. While it does explain a few things quite nicely, as Marty said in the first episode, sometimes you can attach a narrative and run away with it.

expectationlost

Eod100 wrote: »

Ep 7 preview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBvXKe-HMhA

14 sec mark, is that Cohle in the mask?

no discussing next weeks ep without spoilers

expectationlost

i thought this after the last ep but they gave up The case a bit too easy didn't they, i thought it was apparent to them then that there was more people involved, they never found the man with the facial scars etc.

Da Shins Kelly

I've had a feeling since the first or second episode when Marty said that himself and Rust fell out over something personal that Maggie was at the heart of it. Thought there was a bit of sexual tension between them, she seemed to like how up front he was, in comparison to her husband. Like someone said, I really thought he was going to resist her for a second though, he seemed really in two minds about it, and they both instantly regretted it the second it was over. Weird moment (the music was really fcuking weird for that scene too).

I think the way the female characters are kind of under-written is intentional - they live in a society dominated by men with terrible attitudes towards women and skewed religious morals, as evidenced by the fact that women are the ones being victimized in a variety of ways from murder to sexual objectification - but I'd still like to get a bit more insight into Maggie as a character. Like in something like The Sopranos, where quite a bit of time was dedicated to understanding Carmela, and through her we came to understand a lot more about Tony - why he seems so irresistible to women, his ability to talk everyone around to his way of thinking and manipulate a situation to his liking - Maggie could be a great way of understanding more about Marty, or even Rust. I think I get what the writer is doing, but I still think she could be fleshed out a little more.

But back to the episode, Tuttle is such a sketchy individual. He knows what's up. I liked the scene with him and Rust. A sense of foreboding there a bit. I just hope it doesn't go too down the creepy preacher side of things. It's becoming more apparent that religion is involved somehow, but I hope it doesn't end up being something that's been done, or something too familiar.

Some stuff I still feel were left a bit open-ended: Why did Rust's relationship with the doctor fall apart? What's all this about Marty finding God at one point? Just kinda glossed over that.

I really enjoyed Leroy in this episode too. His exasperation with having to deal with these two! :pac:

Effects

Interesting to see three people in masks searching the house. Wonder who the other one is?

Leftist

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

But back to the episode, Tuttle is such a sketchy individual. He knows what's up. I liked the scene with him and Rust. A sense of foreboding there a bit. I just hope it doesn't go too down the creepy preacher side of things. It's becoming more apparent that religion is involved somehow, but I hope it doesn't end up being something that's been done, or something too familiar.

Some stuff I still feel were left a bit open-ended: Why did Rust's relationship with the doctor fall apart? What's all this about Marty finding God at one point? Just kinda glossed over that.

I really enjoyed Leroy in this episode too. His exasperation with having to deal with these two! :pac:

There's been stuff left open at the end of each episode tbf, it's just not wrapped up neatly in one ep. And speaking for myself, but I don't really think everything needs to be covered in 8 segments. Unless marty's religious episode or rust drifting from the doctor have any pertinent implications on the story.
they still have a hell of a lot to fit in during the last two.

I think it will be the creepy preacher thing.

someone involved in the foundation will be important enough to tuttle that he needed to cover it up.

the_monkey

kryogen wrote: »

He has never pretended to be a nice person though

He has his weaknesses and he knows them, he embraces them to a point and lets the darkness within guide him a lot.

Fascinating character

Edit: Also, to counter the suggestion he has no human empathy/sympathy because he told the woman if she gets a chance to kill herself

I would see it as the opposite, he is able to empathize so much with the monsters of this world even, that he genuinely doesnt want her to suffer since she is actually mentally ill, he doesnt hold her fully responsible for her actions, in the same way he would have held whats his name in the woods accountable for what he did with the kids etc

I dont think he was telling her that because he was trying to be a cold hearted bastard, I think he genuinely felt sympathy for her situation and because of her medical condition that suicide is the kindest option she has.

She didnt consciously choose to do evil things, she was compelled by sickness is my take on why he has some compassion for her

^^
This, spot on, he would have a lot of empathy for kids - especially since he lost his own daughter.

Da Shins Kelly

Leftist wrote: »

There's been stuff left open at the end of each episode tbf, it's just not wrapped up neatly in one ep. And speaking for myself, but I don't really think everything needs to be covered in 8 segments. Unless marty's religious episode or rust drifting from the doctor have any pertinent implications on the story.
they still have a hell of a lot to fit in during the last two.

I think it will be the creepy preacher thing.

someone involved in the foundation will be important enough to tuttle that he needed to cover it up.

I wouldn't mind if it's something surrounding religion, but having a whole Ted Haggard/hypocritical preacher-style story wouldn't appeal to me too much.

oxygen

I know its one of the best TV shows of this or the last decade, but some superficial musings on it...

As soon as I saw the girl from Banshee in it, I was waiting for her to sleep with the sheriff, as she did in Banshee. Took about 10 minutes Talk about specific typecasting (I think they used a different actress than the 1995 segment?)

Now I'm just waiting for his younger daughter who's also in The Walking Dead to turn psychopathic. They think they've problems with the older sibling, just they wait.

Marty had some cracking lines this episode-
"I listened to all that and it made zero logic to me. And the last part, complete gibberish"

"I'm just glad to be sitting here with three beautiful women watching... what the **** is this ****, dumb blonds of the Vallys"

evilivor

oxygen_temp wrote: »

As soon as I saw the girl from Banshee in it, I was waiting for her to sleep with the sheriff, as she did in Banshee. Took about 10 minutes Talk about specific typecasting (I think they used a different actress than the 1995 segment?)

Lili Simmons played the part in both episodes.

DrumSteve

I just cannot see a happy ending in this programme. As Reggie said Time is a flat circle, so I can't really see any major "ending" as such as the same thing will just keep happening...

ixoy

DrumSteve wrote: »

I just cannot see a happy ending in this programme. As Reggie said Time is a flat circle, so I can't really see any major "ending" as such as the same thing will just keep happening...

Yep. Rust is going to uncover something horrific and maybe convince Marty of the truth but that's it. He won't be able to fight the corruption in the police or the local church. He'll take some matters into his own hands (one dead church minister at least) but he'll be framed for the other killings. The abuse and killings will go on. The circle will continue.

DrumSteve

ixoy wrote: »

Yep. Rust is going to uncover something horrific and maybe convince Marty of the truth but that's it. He won't be able to fight the corruption in the police or the local church. He'll take some matters into his own hands (one dead church minister at least) but he'll be framed for the other killings. The abuse and killings will go on. The circle will continue.

I think they'll try frame him, but he will probably die before they can bring a case against him.

Worst case scenario is that he dies and all the crimes are pinned on his legacy.

D-FENS

"The man with the scars on his face was the worst"




Maybe?....

grizzly

ixoy wrote: »

Yep. Rust is going to uncover something horrific and maybe convince Marty of the truth but that's it. He won't be able to fight the corruption in the police or the local church. He'll take some matters into his own hands (one dead church minister at least) but he'll be framed for the other killings. The abuse and killings will go on. The circle will continue.

Last scene will be of loads of characters (many you'd never suspect) dressed up in pagan gear putting antlers on Rust.

Ipso

grizzly wrote: »

Last scene will be of loads of characters (many you'd never suspect) dressed up in pagan gear putting antlers on Rust.

No. Not the bees!

DrumSteve

grizzly wrote: »

Last scene will be of loads of characters (many you'd never suspect) dressed up in pagan gear putting antlers on Rust.

While I agree that'd be a pretty awesome ending to the series, I can't see it happening (although if this was say, American Horror Story I could). It won't be a happy ending, but the sheer force of writing in this programme means that they probably won't be killed off. The demand for their return could be massive for the next series, that even if they weren't going to come back, they just might.

Though I would trust HBO to do the right thing; which in this case (and for sheer epicness) one of Rust or Marty have to die.

mccard

meoklmrk91 wrote: »

Right so I said at the start of this thread that I was going to wait until this was over to start, I had nothing to watch on Saturday and just couldn't hold out any longer, I just finished the six episodes that are out and wow, just wow, this is one of the best that I have ever seen and the pilot is probably the best pilot I have ever seen, it was just incredible.

I am completely and utterly enthralled and in a way I am now kickin myself that I have 2 weeks to wait until the conclusion, this is the best thing on TV and may just be the most excellent series that has ever graced our screens. The production is fantastic the music, which is by the excellent T.Bone Burnett it on a new level. I have been following his work for a few years and he is one of the best out there but he has reached new highs on this.

http://open.spotify.com/user/fippel/playlist/3xJdEsnAl2mxqnnF7wAWxH

Effects

Adamocovic wrote: »

Another good episode. Favourite show at the moment! Anyone else get the suspicion that maybe Rust's daughter was actually kidnapped possible and didn't die in a car crash? Could be completely wrong but Rust seems to have a very personally attachment to missing person files. Only reason I could see this not being the case is because the police would have to have it on record and then would probably give him some slack and not give him those cases. Anyway why do people think he is so obsessed with it and was so sure they didn't catch the right guy? Is it just a the sort of detective he is or does he have some personal connection? Going to miss this cast.

Sounds like you're mixing it up with CSI or Criminal Minds.

Adamocovic

Effects wrote: »

Sounds like you're mixing it up with CSI or Criminal Minds.

Ha how so? Cant deny that there is some twist yet to come about the case

Grimebox

Adamocovic wrote: »

Ha how so? Cant deny that there is some twist yet to come about the case

That's the thing. Unlike CSI, there won't be a twist. The director alluded to this already. People are conditioned to expect some kind of twist and he doesn't like that.

I loved the music that came in towards the end of Rust's meeting with Tuttle. Really creepy vibe to it

Adamocovic

Grimebox wrote: »

That's the thing. Unlike CSI, there won't be a twist. The director alluded to this already. People are conditioned to expect some kind of twist and he doesn't like that.

I loved the music that came in towards the end of Rust's meeting with Tuttle. Really creepy vibe to it

True, but there is still a lot with this case that we don't know about that might shock us yet. And to be fair the whole part about not catching the real killer was already a twist in the plot so you never know. Yeah the music for the entire season has been great. Love movies/tv shows that actually successfully use the music to add to the tension and creepiness.

Dont be at yourself

Shows like Lost have really ruined the way we watch TV. Now we're all getting caught up in (over-)analysing incidental detail, trying to figure out the 'answer' or the 'twist' before it comes.

I was delighted that Rust's suspicions regarding Tuttle were so bluntly laid out in the latest episode. True Detective doesn't seem so concerned with the story or revealing the identity of the big-bad, but rather on the characters and their relationships.

I'm keen to find out the full story, but whatever happens with the narrative, True Detective has already been a landmark TV show in terms of characters, acting and direction.

Adamocovic

Dont be at yourself wrote: »

Shows like Lost have really ruined the way we watch TV. Now we're all getting caught up in (over-)analysing incidental detail, trying to figure out the 'answer' or the 'twist' before it comes.

I was delighted that Rust's suspicions regarding Tuttle were so bluntly laid out in the latest episode. True Detective doesn't seem so concerned with the story or revealing the identity of the big-bad, but rather on the characters and their relationships.

I'm keen to find out the full story, but whatever happens with the narrative, True Detective has already been a landmark TV show in terms of characters, acting and direction.

The acting has been incredible and the relationships has been by far the best I've see in a TV show. Hope the cast they get next year is just as good if not better! But plot twists have been out way before Lost and to be fair we already had one in this show, it is human nature that were going to be curious and guess how the show will end. I just can't wait to see how the finish it, have a feeling if we are expecting a happy ending we will be very disappointed though.