True Detective [HBO] [** Spoilers **]

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Thundercats Ho

Dermighty wrote: »

That sequence from the end of ep3 wasn't used in ep5 though right, So what was that all about?

evilivor

Thundercats Ho wrote: »

That sequence from the end of ep3 wasn't used in ep5 though right, So what was that all about?

Wondering about that too. Perhaps we'll get a flashback - might not have been Cohle's first visit there.

Easy Rod

evilivor wrote: »

Wondering about that too. Perhaps we'll get a flashback - might not have been Cohle's first visit there.

I think it was just a quick shot to set up the character and give off an eerie vibe. I don't think it was part of any particular scene if that makes sense.

HazDanz

Easy Rod wrote: »

I think it was just a quick shot to set up the character and give off an eerie vibe. I don't think it was part of any particular scene if that makes sense.

Keep people engaged as well. It was the episode pre super bowl week so that would have kept people interested to tune in in two weeks time.

PhiloCypher

Thundercats Ho wrote: »

That sequence from the end of ep3 wasn't used in ep5 though right, So what was that all about?

I believe this was the episode Cohle said "and like most dreams there's a monster at the end of it" this was merely them giving us a snapshot of 'one' of the monsters at the end of it.

Eod100

Kinda cool how some actors from other HBO series pop up in this, actor who plays Pastor was in Boardwalk Empire and Reg E Cathey from the Wire makes a brief experience.. Always thought that happened more in Irish series just out of necessity..

According to Nic Pizzolatto's twitter the most recent episode featured Cohle's last monologue, not sure that's significant. Might be relying on Hart and other characters to carry on the narrative from here on out..

Burgo

Inside the episode 5

FootShooter

Great summary of all the major fan theories, predictions, and observations: http://www.reddit.com/r/TrueDetective/comments/1yc9dy/spoiler_summation_of_theories_predictions_and/

This too is great for keeping up with all the characters and other stuff in the show: http://www.wekeeptheotherbadmenfromthedoor.com/

I don't really think the theories about Rust or/and Marty being The Yellow King are true, but I do think the answer about who the killer is will be very obvious once it's revealed due to Marty's continuous reference to the detective's curse

Eod100

Part of me is wondering whether the ending will just be that the killings are never solved. There's some talk of attaching meaning to evidence that just isn't there and Cohle's mantra about life repeating itself and being doomed to keep on attempting to solve crimes over and over again. It would be a big F you to the audience so don't really seeing it happen just think with all the speculation going on (besides Lost and maybe Breaking Bad to a lesser extent don't think I've seen as much speculation about any other tv show) it would be pretty ballsy! :P

Grimebox

I really hope they wrap it up in a satisfactory manner. There has been talk about Cohle's monologue about time is actually referring to the audience watching a TV show, in a meta-commentary kind of way. The show can be constantly repeated at the audience's whim but never changed. Ledoux tells him right before he dies that he has done this before. I would absolutely hate if that was the only reason why Ledoux said that. This idea has even been backed up by the director

opr

The preacher in the third episode blesses himself the wrong way from right to left instead of left to right which has all kinds of different evil black magic type connotations.

Opr

Dave147

Eod100 wrote: »

Kinda cool how some actors from other HBO series pop up in this, actor who plays Pastor was in Boardwalk Empire and Reg E Cathey from the Wire makes a brief experience.. Always thought that happened more in Irish series just out of necessity..

According to Nic Pizzolatto's twitter the most recent episode featured Cohle's last monologue, not sure that's significant. Might be relying on Hart and other characters to carry on the narrative from here on out..

It was Clarke Peters who made the appearance, they do look similar enough though. Reg E Cathey is a guest actor on House of Cards as Freddie's BBQ though.

allybhoy

Probably echo-ing evryone elses comments here but this is easily the best show on tv at present and if it continues in the same vain then personally i think it will be superior to anything that has gone before. It probably wont though as with season 2 we all know McConaughey and Harrelson wont be returning, whoever replaces them will have huge shoes to fill. On the plus side, that means that this season will be wrapped up nicely with no cliffhangers leading on to season 2..

True Detective Season 1 is a Closed-Ended Story

Similar to American Horror Story if there is a second season, it would be a different case with different investigators.

Nic Pizzolatto (Creator/EP): One of the reasons I wanted to do an anthology format is I like stories with endings. I like a good third act. And continuing serial dramas, they tend to have really good beginnings and really long middles and then sort of have to hustle to develop an ending. And I like the idea of telling a self-contained story.

Kur4mA

allybhoy wrote: »

Probably echo-ing evryone elses comments here but this is easily the best show on tv at present and if it continues in the same vain then personally i think it will be superior to anything that has gone before. It probably wont though as with season 2 we all know McConaughey and Harrelson wont be returning, whoever replaces them will have huge shoes to fill. On the plus side, that means that this season will be wrapped up nicely with no cliffhangers leading on to season 2..

True Detective Season 1 is a Closed-Ended Story

Similar to American Horror Story if there is a second season, it would be a different case with different investigators.

Nic Pizzolatto (Creator/EP): One of the reasons I wanted to do an anthology format is I like stories with endings. I like a good third act. And continuing serial dramas, they tend to have really good beginnings and really long middles and then sort of have to hustle to develop an ending. And I like the idea of telling a self-contained story.

Based on that comment alone, I have 100% faith in Nic Pizzolatto to keep doing this right and do justice to the episodes we have so far.

A LOT of other TV shows could learn from this man. The traditional format for the last couple of years has been exactly this. Really good beginning > LOOONG boring middle > Rush to develop some thrown together ending.

Personally, I prefer quality over quantity and that seems to be the only way Nic does things so more power to him and I hope he spearheads a change in the production of television, or at least more of a balance between quantity over quality. On the basis of True Detective so far, I reckon and REALLY hope he has a long career ahead of him in writing and producing quality TV.

Eod100

Dave147 wrote: »

It was Clarke Peters who made the appearance, they do look similar enough though. Reg E Cathey is a guest actor on House of Cards as Freddie's BBQ though.

You're dead right, been watching a lot of House of Cards recently so must've got mixed up!

D-FENS

allybhoy wrote: »

Probably echo-ing evryone elses comments here but this is easily the best show on tv at present and if it continues in the same vain then personally i think it will be superior to anything that has gone before. It probably wont though as with season 2 we all know McConaughey and Harrelson wont be returning, whoever replaces them will have huge shoes to fill. On the plus side, that means that this season will be wrapped up nicely with no cliffhangers leading on to season 2..

True Detective Season 1 is a Closed-Ended Story

Similar to American Horror Story if there is a second season, it would be a different case with different investigators.

Nic Pizzolatto (Creator/EP): One of the reasons I wanted to do an anthology format is I like stories with endings. I like a good third act. And continuing serial dramas, they tend to have really good beginnings and really long middles and then sort of have to hustle to develop an ending. And I like the idea of telling a self-contained story.

American Horror Story uses a clean slate for every season but they have the entire universe of the super natural to play around with.
In the “real world”, which I really hope True Det. sticks with, there is only really one area to place a dark storyline in, and that’s murders / serial killings.

Granted, I see Pizzolatto’s comments in that link - Even the title, "True Detective," is meant to be, of course, purposefully somewhat generic before you even get to the deeper indications. So as long as there is some crime in there, I think the series format can approach it.
But is the dark feel of the show going to work if the good guys are chasing terrorists, drug dealers or paedophiles? Doubt it

And what way would he go to top this storyline of politicians / church / law possible involvement in the crimes ? Anything else, even a really interesting Killer, is going to look small scale in comparison, in my view.

For this reason, I think future seasons will still carry on the theme involving Chambers’ book, or at least with the undercurrent of the cult / higher powers involvement
Would love them to use the method of the Red Riding books by David Peace –different lead characters / seemingly different murders that eventually lead back to the same bigger picture…worked really well.

Grimebox

I won't be holding my breathe for the next season. The bar has been set too high. With new cast and crew, who knows what they ending up doing

TwoShedsJackson

kyub wrote: »

Personally, I prefer quality over quantity and that seems to be the only way Nic does things so more power to him and I hope he spearheads a change in the production of television, or at least more of a balance between quantity over quality.

''Quantity has a quality all it's own'' - Joseph Stalin.

In all seriousness though, I am delighted they have kept this to 8 episodes and are having it be self-contained.

Very high hopes for Season 2 as well, with the same writer involved and the acclaim this series is getting, you know HBO aren't going to mess it up.

Grimebox

Someone, somewhere spent a lot of time making this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yszT9gkE4s

Brendan Filone

Grimebox wrote: »

I won't be holding my breathe for the next season.

snausages

I don't care if season 2 ends up crap tbh. It will still be a fantastic show if it only gets one season as good as this. I'm glad because it felt like HBO was on the wane recently. Boardwalk and GoT are good fun but hardly top-tier drama like Sopranos and The Wire were.

Anachrony

snausages wrote: »

I'm glad because it felt like HBO was on the wane recently. Boardwalk and GoT are good fun but hardly top-tier drama like Sopranos and The Wire were.

Game of Thrones is not a network on the wane.

ixoy

Thanks to articles making the connection between this book and the show, "The King in Yellow" is now #9 on Amazon's best seller's list.

GottaGetGatt

ixoy wrote: »

Thanks to articles making the connection between this book and the show, "The King in Yellow" is now #9 on Amazon's best seller's list.

Is that book supposed to be Bat Sh1t crazy or something?

yabadabado

ixoy wrote: »

Thanks to articles making the connection between this book and the show, "The King in Yellow" is now #9 on Amazon's best seller's list.

its free for Kindle so I'm sure that has helped a lot.

ixoy

yabadabado wrote: »

its free for Kindle so I'm sure that has helped a lot.

Not sure if that's how it's working here? Are Kindle sales incorporated into their overall book sales or is it just printed books?
Regardless, I think it's very safe to say that the show's driven these sales (and most likely the previously linked to io9 article). Shows how engrossed people are if thousands of people are pouring over an obscure 1895 text for clues / foreshadowing of a show they've only seen five episodes of.

Anachrony

GottaGetGatt wrote: »

Is that book supposed to be Bat Sh1t crazy or something?

It's a book of short stories. Some of them hint at a touch of supernatural horror, which inspired HP Lovecraft to write his Cthulhu Mythos. One of the recurring themes is a book within the book called the King in Yellow, which has been known to drive readers mad. The actual book only includes short passages from the fictional book. The narrators of some of the stories have already read the book and are thus unreliable narrators.

Eod100

Anachrony wrote: »

It's a book of short stories. Some of them hint at a touch of supernatural horror, which inspired HP Lovecraft to write his Cthulhu Mythos. One of the recurring themes is a book within the book called the King in Yellow, which has been known to drive readers mad. The actual book only includes short passages from the fictional book. The narrators of some of the stories have already read the book and are thus unreliable narrators.

Think the bit about unreliable narrators is most interesting about that cos of audience relying on what Hart and Cohle have to say. I think other than that the Yellow King is just a reference but don't see the actual YK relating to the book but could be wrong!

yabadabado

ixoy wrote: »

Not sure if that's how it's working here? Are Kindle sales incorporated into their overall book sales or is it just printed books?
Regardless, I think it's very safe to say that the show's driven these sales (and most likely the previously linked to io9 article). Shows how engrossed people are if thousands of people are pouring over an obscure 1895 text for clues / foreshadowing of a show they've only seen five episodes of.

I thought Kindle sales were incorporated into the overall figure but I could be wrong.
Without a doubt the show has caused the spike in sales but if they are including kindle sales I would think that has a huge bearing on the sales figures .
I downloaded it the other day but wouldn't have bothered other than it's free.

Dave147

Anyone else addicted to the theme song? Have it playing in the car constantly, driving around like I'm Woody Harrelson.

Grimebox

And this one after the camera pans out at the end of that scene

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PkJ8LePdrc

GottaGetGatt

I literally stop and get the shazam app out when every song comes on,excellent soundtrack to the series

googled eyes

Someone on reddit has been making a spotify playlist



http://open.spotify.com/user/jacke_spot/playlist/5TcuvHTLiFfWbqZSEzoMb5

And here is the thread about it

reddit

Brendan Filone

Scene from the new episode this Sunday:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dbybj44JGZU

Grimebox

Rust has a serious capacity to a complete dickhead

Mardy Bum

Grimebox wrote: »

Rust has a serious capacity to a complete dickhead

It is the truth though, Marty is useless at being a father, husband and detective but gets all the accolades for Ruste's work. Marty insulted him too in the scene. Ruste is not affected by peer pressure but Marty is your typical macho meat head who has gotten to where he has gotten because he is a good liar and is affable. Ruste on the other hand does actual police work and because of this he has no friends as everyone else is intimidated of him.

This scenario actually happens in most professions in the real world too.

googled eyes

Grimebox wrote: »

Rust has a serious capacity to a complete dickhead

He has a point though.

After the "shoot out" with Reggie, Marty got a promotion and Rust would have got shafted except Marty said he insisted that Rust got an award for bravery. Basically Rust did the whole thing ( finding Reggie, through Ginger) and Marty got the credit

Da Shins Kelly

He is right. Marty is very good at twisting things to make himself look like the good guy, but at this rate Rust knows him better than anyone, and knows that not only is he a f*ck up in his personal life, he's cruising off the back of Rust's work.

Marty got the most of the praise for the situation with Reggie Ladoux, even though it was Rust's quick thinking that saved them from losing their jobs and all their credibility. It was Marty's lack of control that got them into that perilous position in the first place. He's a loose cannon, and if he hadn't come out blasting, they may have been able to hold onto Reggie Ladoux and get the information they needed out of him. Since Marty would rather shoot first and ask questions later, they've lost what could have been a key figure in the investigation.

snausages

Anachrony wrote: »

Game of Thrones is not a network on the wane.

It's alright, but not the same league as some of HBO's greatest stuff. I'd put this up there with Sopranos if it stays good.

NotorietyH

Eod100 wrote: »

Think the bit about unreliable narrators is most interesting about that cos of audience relying on what Hart and Cohle have to say. I think other than that the Yellow King is just a reference but don't see the actual YK relating to the book but could be wrong!

They're not strictly unreliable narrators in the usual sense in True Detective though, because the flashbacks are what truly happened, the writer has confirmed this in interviews. We're not relying on their version of events to tell us what happened. We're always aware when they're lying to the other detectives and when their version of events doesn't match the truth.

P.Walnuts

Just a small point I noticed in the last episode, when Rust and Marty came back to the office after the shooting/rescue, the chief welcomed them and said something like "so you didn't get shot on me?" to Rust, obviously in jest, but I wonder if it had a sincere meaning too, as the chief obviously could see how relentless an investigator Rust was, if he was the yellow king then a dead Rust would be preferable.

I only noticed this as there are indications that law enforcement are involved, and didn't Marty say something like "it's right under our nose"

Anyway, just a small thought!

Da Shins Kelly

Yeah, I definitely think it's becoming more apparent that law enforcement have something to hide. There's definitely clues being laid out that someone up on high is pulling some strings.

Turpentine

5starpool wrote: »

Also, present day Woody looks very much like the older Roy Munson from Kingpin, and I keep expecting him to have a rubber hand. He even has the big ring on his right hand in the interrogation scenes

Now you've got me hoping that Bill "Ghostbustin-Ass" Murray is the big bad.

"Sometimes I wake up and Big Ern is already there, weaving hell baskets and sharpening antlers"

Great show, really enjoying it so far.

kryogen

Episode downloaded - check
feckin work to get through - check
see you at 7pm True Detective!

conorhal

Mardy Bum wrote: »

It is the truth though, Marty is useless at being a father, husband and detective but gets all the accolades for Ruste's work. Marty insulted him too in the scene. Ruste is not affected by peer pressure but Marty is your typical macho meat head who has gotten to where he has gotten because he is a good liar and is affable. Ruste on the other hand does actual police work and because of this he has no friends as everyone else is intimidated of him.

This scenario actually happens in most professions in the real world too.

They're BOTH dicks! But wow, what a compelling pair of dicks to ...eh.. watch.

Given the choice though, I'd prefer Marty as a partner, Rust would spend a lot of the time gagged in the trunk.

Grimebox

"If you get the opportunity, you should kill yourself"

Holy ****

Mardy Bum

Rust is definitely human anyway after that episode.

Alfred Borden

What an episode! This show just keeps getting better!

Mc Love

Proctor's niece from Banshee - love her! Man she is getting some amount of flesh out on tv