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True Detective [HBO] [** Spoilers **]

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I'm beginning to think you're a troll


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,381 ✭✭✭Nerdlingr


    I'm beginning to think you're a troll

    And one who's been red carded already yet still continues to post?? :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,161 ✭✭✭frag420


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    Season 3 is not made for the masses. Its an artistic vision that is not shared for everyone. That is why precisely i love it. S3 for me is a solid 10/10 along with season 1.

    Its telling when the masses complain of a piece of media being ‘boring’ and not comprehending the cleverness and art behind the work.

    Im glad the vast majority wont like this season, especially the ending


    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/entertainment/television/tv-reviews/true-detective-season-3-finale-review-this-was-the-best-true-detective-yet-and-the-first-to-merit-a-complete-rewatch-37855549.html


    Of course it was made for the masses, what are you smoking?

    And stop with your art school nonsense, it fools nobody!

    Its an artistic vision that is not shared for everyone:confused::confused::confused:

    Its telling when the masses complain of a piece of media being ‘boring’ and not comprehending the cleverness and art behind the work.

    Oh please enlighten us oh wise on who sounds like they studied arts and thinks only they can understand "stuff"!!


  • Posts: 18,962 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm beginning to think you're a troll

    obviously a serial troll - banned before as account from dec 2018 and back for more.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,381 ✭✭✭Nerdlingr


    I wouldn't rise to it frag420... i mean, they even linked and independant.ie 'review' of the episode!! Ya cant argue with that!!


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Saw that review earlier. Its not even a review. Its a synopsis.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Nerdlingr wrote: »
    And one who's been red carded already yet still continues to post?? :confused:
    If they were right-wing they'd have been nuked long ago. It's unreal the trolling and insults they get away with.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    Just finished. I thought this season was decent overall. Based on the 3 so far, it feels like they will do different types of stories in different seasons. They might link them up or not but what they want is to tell detective stories (or make money knowing hollywood :D).

    The ending felt unusual, not quite an explosive relief of tension but a relief of a kind.. like it didn't leave you hanging overall.

    I'm not sure why but I was holding out for some redemption for the wife but it didn't play out that way. It didn't even look like she was in debt. She just took the money.

    Given what I was thinking around 4, I guess other shows with detective stories made spotting parts of the story a little easier.
    Slydice wrote: »
    4: I kinda wanted to see what was gonna happen there. Although, I imagine it'll just be everyone staring dumbfounded. Maybe there'll be a gunfight.

    Given racism is a theme in this season, I'd say the native american might be the one to get done. He's going away for killing this guy with a claymore anyway. Either that or the kid.. but the kid is looking unlikely.

    As for who did it, the mother and her cousin dying like they did raises their suspicion for me. She died in Vegas and he was found murdered from what I can tell. Was there some debt he was in and forced her to help out with? Did he take advantage of the family? But then, who killed the boy? Was it a cover up by the mayor guy?


    Finally, that closing scene with Mahershala Ali in the jungle.. yeah maybe it's time for him to soldier up for a film. A two time oscar winner now.


  • Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    I genuinely love the series and its telling when you have a different opinion and people shoehorn american politics into it.

    The series is great. I think so. Objectively from a mechanical and stagecraft perspective its absolutely phenomenal.

    Stephen dorff - 10/10 actor


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,040 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    I liked the series and was expecting the finale to have a few twists and surprises but for me last nights episode was a bit of a let down.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,049 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    sk8erboii wrote: »
    I genuinely love the series and its telling when you have a different opinion and people shoehorn american politics into it.

    The series is great. I think so. Objectively from a mechanical and stagecraft perspective its absolutely phenomenal.

    Stephen dorff - 10/10 actor

    Grand and you're entitled to that opinion but why play the man and not the ball when others take a different view?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Talisman


    For me this series was not about the detective story but the journey that Wayne Hays was on while losing his grip on reality and how he eventually found peace. The character had a personality type that needed to solve the case and he eventually did but that isn't what brought him closure - having his family around him and his old friend back in his life brought him the peace he needed.

    The third series had a very slow burning nature, it wasn't as gripping as the first nor was it as disjointed as the second. In that context it will be seen as a failure by some and good but not great by others.

    People judging the series based upon the ending alone is a pity - a story should be about the journey it takes you on not the destination.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,381 ✭✭✭Nerdlingr


    In the end none of the "clues" they found or any secondary stuff ever really mattered.
    The notes, the peephole, the uncle, the vw guys, will returning to devils den, his position of praying, the straw dolls, the church, the priest, the schoolbag, Hoyt was just an afterthought in the end, the abandoned house where they left the pink room intact, framing the indian for the murder, "that man is not my father",the DA, the AG, the fact the town disintegrated after the killing..... because in the end it all boiled down to the one eyed man revealing himself at a book launch, spilling the beans in ten minutes and a book falling conveniently open on a page where Hays has a moment of "what if" from his dead wife. It built up the suspense and tension for seven episodes then just sh@t all over it.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Nerdlingr wrote: »
    In the end none of the "clues" they found or any secondary stuff ever really mattered.
    The notes, the peephole, the uncle, the vw guys, will returning to devils den, his position of praying, the straw dolls, the church, the priest, the schoolbag, Hoyt was just an afterthought in the end, the abandoned house where they left the pink room intact, framing the indian for the murder, "that man is not my father",the DA, the AG, the fact the town disintegrated after the killing..... because in the end it all boiled down to the one eyed man revealing himself at a book launch, spilling the beans in ten minutes and a book falling conveniently open on a page where Hays has a moment of "what if" from his dead wife. It built up the suspense and tension for seven episodes then just sh@t all over it.


    These criticisms are consistent with season 1. Nic Pizzolatto is a fan of red herrings. We're following the investigation of the detectives, not just how the murder occurred. A big part of that is how they got it wrong over and over. I mean... its a huge theme in this season in particular! He's the opposite of Vince Gilligan where he ties in everything at some stage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Talisman


    Nerdlingr wrote: »
    In the end none of the "clues" they found or any secondary stuff ever really mattered.
    The notes, the peephole, the uncle, the vw guys, will returning to devils den, his position of praying, the straw dolls, the church, the priest, the schoolbag, Hoyt was just an afterthought in the end, the abandoned house where they left the pink room intact, framing the indian for the murder, "that man is not my father",the DA, the AG, the fact the town disintegrated after the killing..... because in the end it all boiled down to the one eyed man revealing himself at a book launch, spilling the beans in ten minutes and a book falling conveniently open on a page where Hays has a moment of "what if" from his dead wife. It built up the suspense and tension for seven episodes then just sh@t all over it.
    Hays and West knew about the one eyed man in 1980 but they had the case closed on them because it was convenient for the politicians. You might find that unbelievable but it is reflective of how cases were 'solved' in that era, not just in the U.S. but also closer to home. Hays committed career suicide over the matter.

    In 1990, they were determined to get it right and they almost did but circumstances conspired against them. Had Harris James not disappeared the case could have been solved - as West said at the time, they f*cked themselves. Hoyt had Hays by the balls so the case was never going to be solved.

    The 2015 story arc was focused on the documentary producer driving the conspiracy theory agenda. There was no satanic/paedophile ring/political conspiracy preventing the case from being solved for years. It just required Junius Watts to have the courage to speak which he never did until the retired detectives showed up at his door.

    Hays never read his wife's book about the case - that was a convenient plot point but equally believable seeing as the original case destroyed his career. The fact that Hays solved the case due to reading that particular page is a 'happy coincidence'. The Hollywood ending would have been for the documentary maker to have uncovered something that led West and Hays to solving the case together.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,381 ✭✭✭Nerdlingr


    That's all fair enough, i get all those points... but we're fed all these little bits of info to peak our interest and keep us watching from week to week. Coming up with ideas and theories about what may or may not have happened. Yet, when it comes down to it... none of it matters really, because practically everything, investigation-wise, in the first few episodes is a red herring. Its the same as "Lost" in that regard. Lets feed the masses something to appeal to their inquisitive nature but lets actually discount the majority of it by conveniently having amateur plot devices to finish and tie up the season. As much as i enjoyed the first 7 episodes the last one just ruined it for me.
    In the end, if its a character study on hays and his relationships, and not so much an investigation series, then there's only so much you can watch of the same two people having variations of the same argument over and over again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,625 ✭✭✭✭errlloyd


    Nerdlingr wrote: »
    That's all fair enough, i get all those points... but we're fed all these little bits of info to peak our interest and keep us watching from week to week. Coming up with ideas and theories about what may or may not have happened. Yet, when it comes down to it... none of it matters really, because practically everything, investigation-wise, in the first few episodes is a red herring.

    A lot of the things you said in your first post were red herrings weren't.

    The Uncle did turn out to be in on it. After Lucy was killed he had the information which tempted the detectives and led to Tom being murdered. He was never a suspect, but he did advance the plot. He was subsequently murdered. It wasn't like he was a guy who lived in their house and disappeared.

    The notes were not a significant part of evidence, but the discovery of the notes was important because it proved the peephole was a red herring and therefore the uncle wasn't as much of a suspect. That gave his witness statement some extra legitimacy.

    The VW guys didn't end up us as suspects, but they did help to put more suspicion on Woodward which helped Harris use him as the scapegoat after he was attacked. The boy asking them where his sister was, WAS a red Herring.

    The Straw Dolls originally led Hayes to the woman who said it was a one eyed black man, which is what made the outburst by the one eyed blackman at the book launch interesting, which is what broke the case in the end.

    It's not like this stuff was pointless. Almost everything served a plot device more than just tricking the viewer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,212 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez


    Nerdlingr wrote: »
    In the end none of the "clues" they found or any secondary stuff ever really mattered.
    The notes, the peephole, the uncle, the vw guys, will returning to devils den, his position of praying, the straw dolls, the church, the priest, the schoolbag, Hoyt was just an afterthought in the end, the abandoned house where they left the pink room intact, framing the indian for the murder, "that man is not my father",the DA, the AG, the fact the town disintegrated after the killing..... because in the end it all boiled down to the one eyed man revealing himself at a book launch, spilling the beans in ten minutes and a book falling conveniently open on a page where Hays has a moment of "what if" from his dead wife. It built up the suspense and tension for seven episodes then just sh@t all over it.

    aye, sums up how I felt about it.

    It was like they thought "oh crap we need to wrap this up in one episode, better just make up something quick"

    Season 1 this ain't, but the acting was superb so that brings it up to 2nd best of the 3 seasons.

    Any idea what the final Vietnam scene was supposed to indicate? Was it supposed to represent Hays' mind lost in the jungle? :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,625 ✭✭✭✭errlloyd


    mrcheez wrote: »
    Any idea what the final Vietnam scene was supposed to indicate? Was it supposed to represent Hays' mind lost in the jungle? :)

    The very first article I read after the fact suggested that that scene represents the fact that Hayes died in Vietnam and the whole thing was a dream.

    It's complete horse****, but enjoy,

    https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/02/true-detective-season-3-finale-what-happened-to-amelia-was-wayne-dead-the-whole-time


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,381 ✭✭✭Nerdlingr


    errlloyd wrote: »
    A lot of the things you said in your first post were red herrings weren't.

    ....

    It's not like this stuff was pointless. Almost everything served a plot device more than just tricking the viewer.

    I didn't say they were red herrings in my first post. I said a lot of the stuff never really mattered in the end cos it was so conveniently tied up in a bow. Just an observation about how the series promised much but ultimatley for me delivered very little.

    The owner of the biggest corporation/employer in the area has a black one eyed man working as a butler/chauffeur for him and no one spots this in 35 years?

    The bag is planted by Harris and it takes Hays ten years to realise this?

    The town was referenced as being destroyed by the disappearance, schools close, homes get over grown, basically becomes a ghost town...for what reason ??

    Hoyt's estate - everyone just ups and leaves. Leaves everything behind in the pink room as it was in the 80s.

    Book conveniently falling and opening on specific pages.

    There's a lot of stuff that jars with me the more I think about it. I did enjoy the first 7 episodes, great performances by Ali, Dorff...and McNairy!...but nahhh, everything is too convenient in the end for me.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Nerdlingr wrote: »
    I didn't say they were red herrings in my first post. I said a lot of the stuff never really mattered in the end cos it was so conveniently tied up in a bow. Just an observation about how the series promised much but ultimatley for me delivered very little.

    The owner of the biggest corporation/employer in the area has a black one eyed man working as a butler/chauffeur for him and no one spots this in 35 years?

    The bag is planted by Harris and it takes Hays ten years to realise this?

    The town was referenced as being destroyed by the disappearance, schools close, homes get over grown, basically becomes a ghost town...for what reason ??

    Hoyt's estate - everyone just ups and leaves. Leaves everything behind in the pink room as it was in the 80s.

    Book conveniently falling and opening on specific pages.

    There's a lot of stuff that jars with me the more I think about it. I did enjoy the first 7 episodes, great performances by Ali, Dorff...and McNairy!...but nahhh, everything is too convenient in the end for me.


    I think we're getting at who the real villain is here; automation




  • Posts: 18,962 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    yes the last episode was a panic-stations wrap up in terms of story

    if the idea was to present an anti-mystery story and make it about the characters it needed to be more skilfully handled - the last episode really wrecked that concept.

    for me the characters weren't complex enough and didn't change much over the 8 episodes - not sure where the "character development" actually was.

    nic pizzolatto really needs to hand off the writing duties

    his directing of episodes that he did was poor also on the whole (4 and 5). the audience figures for episode 5 dropped way down from 1.45 million to .88 million after that awful episode 4

    the different timezones wasn't really that successful really either - West's character re-entry into the present day timezone was jarring and there were other issues such as intermittent introductions of further timezones outside of the main 3 - 80, 90, present day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,049 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Good review here of finale and season as a whole.

    Interesting to note that Pizzolatto said there was no connection to Jacob's Ladder “Not inspired by that at all (never seen it, actually).

    And when asked about Hays and his daughter: ''She and Wayne don’t have any problem other than neither of them is good at reaching out (Amelia was the parent who always called every week), and they’ve both been lonely without the other.”

    https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2019/02/true-detective-season-3-finale-review/583672/?utm_source=twitter&utm_content=edit-promo&utm_term=2019-02-27T11%3A00%3A34&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=the-atlantic


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    I'm seeing Scoot McNairy (could there BE a more redneck name?) all over the place now.


  • Posts: 18,962 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm seeing Scoot McNairy (could there BE a more redneck name?) all over the place now.

    He's a decent actor and around a fair while.

    The character that he played in "halt and catch fire" was such a drip that it out me off him a bit


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    I'm seeing Scoot McNairy (could there BE a more redneck name?) all over the place now.

    He is a brilliant actor. Have a look at Killing Them Softly, good movie.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,930 ✭✭✭✭TerrorFirmer


    Great performances laid over a shoddy, muddled script. First episode or two showed amazing promise but it just went around in circles and the character development just wasn't there. Season 2 had its flaws but narratively it was way stronger.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 884 ✭✭✭Butson


    Overall I enjoyed it

    Thought the 3 timelines were very clever and well executed. Sure some of the suspects were red herrings, but it wasn't a neatly packaged, laid out ending that neither confirmed or refuted peoples theories on individuals or the case. If you want that, about 5 new Hollywood movies come out a week so knock your heart out!

    The acting made up for any weak points, and it probably could have finished an hour earlier, but the way some people carry on almost getting offended that Pizzolatto didn't make a show that they wanted to see....funny.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 756 ✭✭✭rodders999


    Started extremely promisingly, faded in the middle and bombed at the end. Really wish they stopped making these after season 1 which was brilliant.

    I haven't ready back over the previous posts but I presume I'm not the only one who couldn't understand about 80% of Hay's dialogue?


  • Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,361 ✭✭✭Ardent


    Just finished it. Thought it was a colossal waste of time.

    The wrap up of the Julie Purcell mystery was laughable. And the interactions between Haze and his wife became very tedious.

    It was really a 3 or 4 episode show that they completely dragged the arse out of.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,361 ✭✭✭Ardent


    glasso wrote: »
    the insults to get into the bar fight with the bikers were actual good lines and a good scene.

    Great scene. That and the shootout were the highlights of the series.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89,925 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    True Detective' Season 4 in the Works at HBO From Issa López, Barry Jenkins



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    I wonder where they are thinking of basing it then. Maybe New York or a second visit to LA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,060 ✭✭✭Sexual Chocolate


    I honestly hope they stay away from New York, Chicago or any big eastern city in that vacinity. Pre millennium Texas, Colorado or Oklahoma would be a good shout.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,328 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    I've to still start Series 3.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,371 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    Season 1 is still the best.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,609 ✭✭✭✭yabadabado


    Unbelievably good season ,the others aren't a patch on it.



  • Posts: 18,962 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Season 3 imo is an utter drawn-out boring and completely pointless piece-of-shite of the highest order complete with time-shifts that achieve absolute nothing except to make it worse - worth a hard skip!

    One of the biggest wastes of time in terms of a season of a TV series that I've ever gone through.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89,925 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Jodie Foster to star



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,788 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    Just got into this recently but there was a press release 23rd December last year with season 4 being set in Alaska, so could have Fargo (the movie) type vibes.


    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,784 ✭✭✭dr.kenneth noisewater




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