Bike Scheme like Dublin, Waterford misses out.

Max Powers

Seems like they were in favour of it a few months ago, then they changed their mind on Waterford, full steam ahead for Cork, Limerick and Galway as you would (unfortunately) come to expect these days. Its a shame as I think it is a great idea and im sure would have been a success if installed especially since the city is becoming more pedestrian/cyclist friendly with works on the Mall and Quays, not to mention bike lanes outside of that. to be honest, it just feels like another kick in the teeth for Waterford from the govt., the bike scheme itself isnt a massive deal but it just feels like we arent getting a fair deal as usual. I havent seen anything to think that we are being helped significantly with our employment problem etc. If the city was more vibrant with people/locals, im sure this would help things like this, make it more attractive for potential business sponsors etc, the way it is, with the unemployment and people happy to stay in their locals (and other reasons im sure) businesses and the govt feel its fine to look past us.


http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0611/456034-public-bike-scheme-cities/

...The news will come as a disappointment to Waterford City however, as it has not been included for a bike scheme.
This is despite the NTA having included a scheme for Waterford last November when seeking expressions of interests from potential sponsors of the bike schemes.
At the time a mooted scheme for the city included 10 docking stations and the 80 to 100 bikes.
A spokesperson for the NTA said that following analysis of the potential for a bicycle scheme in Waterford it was concluded that the cost per bike based on the scheme size would be too high.
She said that the tender documents do include the stipulation that other cities and towns may be added during the tender process.
The spokesperson also confirmed the NTA is talking to a potential sponsor of the schemes in Galway, Cork and Limerick....

Max Powers

after thought....i wonder if the money trumpeted by Ciara conway spent/wasted on the tramore road bike lane have been better spent on the city bike scheme. i posted the figures about that before here, the break up of the money to consultants, designers etc was pathetic, bordering on scandalous, how many designers does one need to paid some lines on a road for a couple of miles.

Better spent on her traditional county voters maybe.

http://www.smartertravel.ie/sites/default/files/uploads/NCN%20Application%20Form-Tramore%20Final.pdf

Cabaal

Its a shame alright, would have been a perfect way to enable workers and students to get from the likes of the middle of town and ardkrean out to WIT/IDA.

S28382

The rest of Ireland hates Waterford...........Fu*k me these Waterford misses out threads are getting boring.

Jason Todd

S28382 wrote: »

The rest of Ireland hates Waterford...........Fu*k me these Waterford misses out threads are getting boring.

Nice contribution to the thread.

Roanmore

"A spokesperson for the NTA said that following analysis of the potential for a bicycle scheme in Waterford it was concluded that the cost per bike based on the scheme size would be too high."

Any idea why the costs in Waterford would be too high, was any reason given?

S28382

Jason Todd wrote: »

Nice contribution to the thread.

Thanks buddy and your a world of information yourself.

You see some Waterford people have this entitlement feeling in their heads and it makes them think that whatever is going around that Waterford should get it over every other county in the country and those said people go on Boards and give out like babies when Waterford doesnt get it. So low and behold some one else doesnt agree and then comes the childish comments just like yours Mr Todd. Grow up my friend im allowed reply in a non threatening or abusive way in which i have this isnt the Ray Darcy thread its not all about whinging.

Jason Todd

S28382 wrote: »

Thanks buddy and your a world of information yourself.

You see some Waterford people have this entitlement feeling in their heads and it makes them think that whatever is going around that Waterford should get it over every other county in the country and those said people go on Boards and give out like babies when Waterford doesnt get it. So low and behold some one else doesnt agree and then comes the childish comments just like yours Mr Todd. Grow up my friend im allowed reply in a non threatening or abusive way in which i have this isnt the Ray Darcy thread its not all about whinging.

Nothing childish about my post. Sarcastic, yes. Childish? No.

No-one is asking to get anything 'over' other counties, just asking for the 'same' as the other cities.

I didn't realise you didn't agree with the OP, you were too busy getting a dig in at 'the whingers' to explain why you felt Waterford should NOT have got the bike scheme. That's why I called you up on your post.

Max Powers

I dont think anyone here is whining, all we ever and still want is a level playing field, fair share of investment, jobs etc. The bike thing is not a massive issue but its just another kick when we are down i suppose. no sense of entitlement, Waterford was recommended for the bike scheme and the suddenly we are off it. Its rolled out to all the other cities, Waterford is doing more for cyclists then a lot of other cities with a fair amount of cycle/bus lanes (dunmore road, carrickphierish, along the quay etc) I think we have put in more than a fair effort and I dont buy the excuses/reasons given in the article.

Personally, I like to highlight a lot of the positives going on around the city and in turn I do my utmost to support these initiatives and businesses in the city, often even when it doesnt suit so im not being overly negative.


PS.. id say part of the reason i put this up is another example of govt or govt agency paying lip service to Waterfords problems but in reality doing little. Jobs announcements with significant IDA/govt backing; 200 in nypro, 75 in Glanbia, no where near enough to tackle our problems here.

Psychedelic

Here's why Waterford is not included:

Paudie Coffey TD ‏@PaudieCoffey 12 Jun
@leonard76_ according to NTA current no. of potential users makes it unviable - now if Dunmore & Tramore were included it might be different

Paudie Coffey TD ‏@PaudieCoffey 12 Jun
@leonard76_ my understanding request for demonstration of interest, viability exam and survey was done - need to query this further

CIARA CONWAY T.D. ‏@ciaramconway 12 Jun
@PaudieCoffey @leonard76_ also believe a private investor / sponsor cannot be secured

Jason Todd

Psychedelic wrote: »

Here's why Waterford is not included:

Paudie Coffey TD ‏@PaudieCoffey 12 Jun
@leonard76_ according to NTA current no. of potential users makes it unviable - now if Dunmore & Tramore were included it might be different

I wonder when the councils are merged will it have a positive effect on something like this, for example?

fricatus

Psychedelic wrote: »

Here's why Waterford is not included:

Paudie Coffey TD ‏@PaudieCoffey 12 Jun
@leonard76_ according to NTA current no. of potential users makes it unviable - now if Dunmore & Tramore were included it might be different

Tramore being a bit detached from the city seems to be a real problem. Any other town of 10,000 people would have its own hospital, IDA business park, etc., but Tramore people are expected just to share the facilities in Waterford city.

Fair enough, as it's only 7 miles out the road, you might say, but then Waterford seems only ever to be catered for on the basis of its own population - with Tramore never being considered as part of the city for resource planning purposes.

Maybe the new Metropolitan District mightn't be a bad thing after all - anyone know what the population of the new district is? I found this map, but I can't find any population breakdown:

http://www.boundarycommittee.ie/reports/Ireland-Map.pdf

fricatus

fricatus wrote: »

Maybe the new Metropolitan District mightn't be a bad thing after all - anyone know what the population of the new district is? I found this map, but I can't find any population breakdown:

http://www.boundarycommittee.ie/reports/Ireland-Map.pdf

Actually, I just found it... isn't Google great!

Metropolitan district: 65,928
County: 47,867

hardybuck

Is there anything Waterford can proactively do itself rather than wait to be included in a national scheme?

Organisations like the Chamber of Commerce, Bord Failte and the City Council should all be looking to progress plans to develop a Waterford Bike Scheme.

Sully

This was mentioned ages ago and there were difficulties in securing sponsors IIRC. Was discussed on Boards. If studies were done and suggested that there would not be demand and no finances locally, we can't expect to have such a service. It doesn't appear to be a proper comparison for the "them vs us" debate.

Lets see what the facts are before jumping the gone, maybe? It appears the grounds for Waterford not having one is valid based on the initial findings.

As for Tramore needing or should be considered for a hospital or IDA - this isnt the right planning. Waterford City has ample services a short distance.and it doesn't need to are more services splintered. The problems Tramore have are for general financing which Dungarvan doesn't appear to give much for a popular large town like Tramore. But all of this isn't for this thread to be fair.

Wanderer2010

It still makes me laugh to read people who post "Galway, Limerick and Dublin got x, y and z, therefore Waterford should get similar. Its this simple: Population of Limerick > Waterford. Population of Galway > Waterford. Population of Dublin >Waterford.

No council is going to give funding for any project which wont make money back in some way and if the population allows for it then yes, these things will become reality but the way Waterford is at the moment, what with no major retail centre (City Square is very poor and so many shops have closed down), mass emmigration and unemployment at an all time high, there isnt the political will to hand over some cash for what would no doubt be a niche and unprofitable scheme. Instead of whining about how hard done by Waterford is we should be doing more to get behind projects like Winterval etc and thinking up of fresh and original ideas to keep our name out there.

hardybuck

Having a population of a certain size doesn't mean that certain projects will or won't work. They will depend on people's willingness to make use of them.

Dublin's scheme became a template for how cities like London and Paris developed their own scheme. As a much smaller city, you'd expect it to be the other way around.

Jakarta started construction on a metro system only this year, and they have a population of 15 million. Meanwhile places like Rennes in France have a subway with a population of about 200,000.

I can see how a bike scheme which allowed people to get from places like Ardkeen to People's Park, WIT's College Campus to the Cork Road Campus, the train station to the city centre etc. would be utilised by people, but who knows I suppose!?

Roanmore

The link in the OP said it may go ahead in Cork, Limerick and Galway so I don't know where the "full steam ahead" is coming from. There is a tender process to get through first so it may go the same way as the Waterford scheme.

Wanderer2010

hardybuck wrote: »

Having a population of a certain size doesn't mean that certain projects will or won't work. They will depend on people's willingness to make use of them.

Dublin's scheme became a template for how cities like London and Paris developed their own scheme. As a much smaller city, you'd expect it to be the other way around.

Jakarta started construction on a metro system only this year, and they have a population of 15 million. Meanwhile places like Rennes in France have a subway with a population of about 200,000.

I can see how a bike scheme which allowed people to get from places like Ardkeen to People's Park, WIT's College Campus to the Cork Road Campus, the train station to the city centre etc. would be utilised by people, but who knows I suppose!?

I just dont think it would take off here. Waterford is a ghost town after 5pm weekdays, town centre is like a graveyard, nothing is open nothing to do and no buzz. People only emerge at Friday nights and even then are frugal about parting with money, so there isnt enough of a reason to set up this scheme, It may be used from Monday to Friday by people and no doubt some would find it very handy but enough to satisfy the bean counters? I would bet no.

Jason Todd

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

It still makes me laugh to read people who post "Galway, Limerick and Dublin got x, y and z, therefore Waterford should get similar. Its this simple: Population of Limerick > Waterford. Population of Galway > Waterford. Population of Dublin >Waterford.

No council is going to give funding for any project which wont make money back in some way and if the population allows for it then yes, these things will become reality but the way Waterford is at the moment, what with no major retail centre (City Square is very poor and so many shops have closed down), mass emmigration and unemployment at an all time high, there isnt the political will to hand over some cash for what would no doubt be a niche and unprofitable scheme. Instead of whining about how hard done by Waterford is we should be doing more to get behind projects like Winterval etc and thinking up of fresh and original ideas to keep our name out there.

Nothing wrong with wanting the best for your City. The town has fallen so far behind, why let other cities have schemes that may benefit them and not us? Why not run it on a trial scheme first even?

Just on what you said about City Square, it's not 'very poor' in fairness, it's probably only decent at best but I think you were doing it a disservice there. And as has been pointed out in this forum already, most units that had shops close have reopened with new shops in them already.

I totally agree about what you say about Winterval etc. I definitely think that we should be doing everything in our power to be creative for the City and maybe even become a leader in forward-thinking for cities and towns of our size.

Chiparus

Max Powers wrote: »

I dont think anyone here is whining, all we ever and still want is a level playing field, fair share of investment, jobs etc. The bike thing is not a massive issue but its just another kick when we are down i suppose. no sense of entitlement, Waterford was recommended for the bike scheme and the suddenly we are off it. Its rolled out to all the other cities, Waterford is doing more for cyclists then a lot of other cities with a fair amount of cycle/bus lanes (dunmore road, carrickphierish, along the quay etc) I think we have put in more than a fair effort and I dont buy the excuses/reasons given in the article.

Personally, I like to highlight a lot of the positives going on around the city and in turn I do my utmost to support these initiatives and businesses in the city, often even when it doesnt suit so im not being overly negative.


PS.. id say part of the reason i put this up is another example of govt or govt agency paying lip service to Waterfords problems but in reality doing little. Jobs announcements with significant IDA/govt backing; 200 in nypro, 75 in Glanbia, no where near enough to tackle our problems here.

The cycle lane along the Dunmore road is a joke.As for the cycle lane on William street, where the council have randomly drawn a bicycle on the road and double yellow lines over it.:):)

Max Powers

Chiparus wrote: »

The cycle lane along the Dunmore road is a joke.As for the cycle lane on William street, where the council have randomly drawn a bicycle on the road and double yellow lines over it.:):)

i dont think so, a lot of it is perfect and then some of it is in a bus lane so thats even better. Along cork road too, plenty of space. a bit of balance wouldnt go astray here, yeah parts of the dunmore road one are a bit tight, but they were hardly gonna CPO property and road realignment for bikes. William st, doesnt have a cycle lane but those bikes painted on road are to remind drivers.

Max Powers

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

I just dont think it would take off here. Waterford is a ghost town after 5pm weekdays, town centre is like a graveyard, nothing is open nothing to do and no buzz. People only emerge at Friday nights and even then are frugal about parting with money, so there isnt enough of a reason to set up this scheme, It may be used from Monday to Friday by people and no doubt some would find it very handy but enough to satisfy the bean counters? I would bet no.

a common attitude but an incorrect one. people are too lazy and stuck in a rut to do anything. Theatre royal, garter lane, cinema, city centre pubs instead of cosy local same heads, red kettle do some mad stuff, galleries, unusual filsms being shown, bands.....plenty to do.

7upfree

S28382 wrote: »

The rest of Ireland hates Waterford...........Fu*k me these Waterford misses out threads are getting boring.

Wonderful contribution. What do you want people to do - accept it? And say nowt? Great plan....:rolleyes:

S28382

7upfree wrote: »

Wonderful contribution. What do you want people to do - accept it? And say nowt? Great plan....:rolleyes:

Thank you for recognising my wonderful contribution.

I dont really care what people do if some one wants to let things like this upset them then that is entirely their choice but you must admit it is getting boring seeing the constant us against them attitude that seems to be getting even more prevailant on the Waterford forum.

hfallada

Why should have waterford gotten one? Its extremely expensive to build and in Dublin it still only covers a very small area for the size of the city. The money would be better spent expanding Dublins one considering how small it is and the density of Dublin.

7upfree

S28382 wrote: »

Thank you for recognising my wonderful contribution.

I dont really care what people do if some one wants to let things like this upset them then that is entirely their choice but you must admit it is getting boring seeing the constant us against them attitude that seems to be getting even more prevailant on the Waterford forum.

I disagree. Waterford - as a city - is being deliberately held back and kept under the cosh by vested interests within Government. We must ensure that we are heard at every opportunity. Imagine if, say, Cork had been left out.

Oh - I don't have to. Remember the hissy fit a certain Mr. Martin threw when WRTC was upgraded to WIT because Cork could "miss out"? See where this is going?

7upfree

hfallada wrote: »

Why should have waterford gotten one? Its extremely expensive to build and in Dublin it still only covers a very small area for the size of the city. The money would be better spent expanding Dublins one considering how small it is and the density of Dublin.

The other three cities outside Dublin are getting it. Did you not read the OP? This is what happens when there is no City-based TD representing us. The three sitting TDs are an unmitigated disaster for the City.

Wanderer2010

7upfree wrote: »

The other three cities outside Dublin are getting it. Did you not read the OP? This is what happens when there is no City-based TD representing us. The three sitting TDs are an unmitigated disaster for the City.

The other cities have more multi national companies setting up and investing there, creating a lot of employment. The other cities have a much higher population that Waterford. The other cities have the need for this scheme and the money behind it. Do you really lay all the blame on the militant reputation of Waterford at the seat of our three TDs. They dont even have a voice or any power in the Dail whatsoever. I know it they know it and the dogs on the street know it. Stop blaming them for every little thing that goes wrong in Waterford.

7upfree

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

The other cities have more multi national companies setting up and investing there, creating a lot of employment. The other cities have a much higher population that Waterford. The other cities have the need for this scheme and the money behind it. Do you really lay all the blame on the militant reputation of Waterford at the seat of our three TDs. They dont even have a voice or any power in the Dail whatsoever. I know it they know it and the dogs on the street know it. Stop blaming them for every little thing that goes wrong in Waterford.

For God's sake man - THEY'RE IN THE DAIL! They were elected to represent us. They should be jumping up and down about everything that has happened. They're not. Following the party whip like sheep. So you now want to blame the people of Waterford City for the discrimination being practised against us?

So no other City is "militant"? Was Cork's push against WIT not "militant"?

Sweet Jesus. There is no hope . There really isn't. Not with attitudes like that prevailing.

BTW, Limerick's population 57k, Waterford's almost 50k. So I fail to see your point.

O Riain

7upfree wrote: »

For God's sake man - THEY'RE IN THE DAIL! They were elected to represent us. They should be jumping up and down about everything that has happened. They're not. Following the party whip like sheep. So you now want to blame the people of Waterford City for the discrimination being practised against us?

So no other City is "militant"? Was Cork's push against WIT not "militant"?

Sweet Jesus. There is no hope . There really isn't. Not with attitudes like that prevailing.

BTW, Limerick's population 57k, Waterford's almost 50k. So I fail to see your point.

In fairness Limericks population is just about 100k but the 'metropolitan' district of waterford is 68k, Galway is 73k so if they can have it, we should also be able to

7upfree

O Riain wrote: »

In fairness Limericks population is just about 100k but the 'metropolitan' district of waterford is 68k, Galway is 73k so if they can have it, we should also be able to

So true. the 57K is "without suburbs" meaning surrounding towns. So there is no great real difference in the core population. They like to dress it up though.

The big problem as many see it it is that there is constant chipping away at Waterford's status. Some huge things, then the smaller ones - like the bike scheme. It all adds up.

Roanmore

7upfree wrote: »

The other three cities outside Dublin are getting it. Did you not read the OP? This is what happens when there is no City-based TD representing us. The three sitting TDs are an unmitigated disaster for the City.

Did you not read the link in the OP?
It says the 3 cities mentioned MAY get a bike scheme subject to a tender process, nothing is guaranteed yet. It may well prove too expensive in those cities as well.

"Whoever wins the tender, will have to supply 300 bikes for Cork, 150 for Limerick and 200-250 for Galway.

They will also have to construct and install 75 docking stations, 75 user terminals and 25 advertising hoardings.

Few Irish companies will be equipped to apply. Interested companies have until the 23 July to submit their tenders.

Conditions for application include having installed and operated such a scheme involving at least 150 bikes in the past three years"

Wanderer2010

7upfree wrote: »

For God's sake man - THEY'RE IN THE DAIL! They were elected to represent us. They should be jumping up and down about everything that has happened. They're not. Following the party whip like sheep. So you now want to blame the people of Waterford City for the discrimination being practised against us?

So no other City is "militant"? Was Cork's push against WIT not "militant"?

Sweet Jesus. There is no hope . There really isn't. Not with attitudes like that prevailing.

BTW, Limerick's population 57k, Waterford's almost 50k. So I fail to see your point.

Do you actually think our elected TDs can make a tap of difference when it comes to shouting for Waterford and our needs? Think about the stage they are on. Pushed to the very back of the Dail, only given a few mins speech usually in front of about 4 people, shouting and posturing for all the injustice that goes on and yet nothing changes because the fact is our Government has enough on its hands, what with dancing to Germany's tune, the recession and abortion laws. This city is the last thing on its mind. If you want change it has to come from within and community projects etc. Nobody is going to hand us money to build bike schemes and it wouldnt even be practical in town with so many shops closed down.

7UpFree, you seem to think that just because we elect TDs and stupidly fall for their big words and promises pre-election that there will be change. It doesnt work like that, politics is just a circus and although some of the few Waterford TDs have genuine passion (one is a waste of space), they havent the tools or the power to change anything. But, alas, people being as stupid as they are, will probably vote in FF again next election and hence start the next cycle of rebuilding/destruction/false promises etc thats the norm in politics. They are not going to do anything for Waterford. You want change? Programmes like Winterval, Give your Shirt for Waterford etc are the way to keep us in the spotlight. However mixed the success, at least the people involved know the score. Politicians DO NOT CARE. Its up to us.

Wanderer2010

O Riain wrote: »

In fairness Limericks population is just about 100k but the 'metropolitan' district of waterford is 68k, Galway is 73k so if they can have it, we should also be able to

Sigh.

7upfree

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Do you actually think our elected TDs can make a tap of difference when it comes to shouting for Waterford and our needs? Think about the stage they are on. Pushed to the very back of the Dail, only given a few mins speech usually in front of about 4 people, shouting and posturing for all the injustice that goes on and yet nothing changes because the fact is our Government has enough on its hands, what with dancing to Germany's tune, the recession and abortion laws. This city is the last thing on its mind.

Our "elected TDs" are put there to MAKE a difference. Do you not understand this principle. If everyone in the world took the "ah sure what can we do" stance would Hitler have been defeated? Would communism have collapsed? Would the Berlin Wall have fallen? On our own doorstep the Crystal workers fought tooth and nail for their pension rights. Would you also have classed them as "moaners"? And advisd them to stop "moaning"? Well?!

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

If you want change it has to come from within and community projects etc. Nobody is going to hand us money to build bike schemes and it wouldnt even be practical in town with so many shops closed down.

But it's OK to hand it to Cork, Limerick, and Galway? And you actually ACCEPT this? Do you actually understand the concept of a bike scheme? It is not merely about shops.

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

7UpFree, you seem to think that just because we elect TDs and stupidly fall for their big words and promises pre-election that there will be change. It doesnt work like that, politics is just a circus and although some of the few Waterford TDs have genuine passion (one is a waste of space), they havent the tools or the power to change anything.

No, I refer you to my answer above. We elect them to represent us and to produce results. A quite simple concept really.

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

But, alas, people being as stupid as they are, will probably vote in FF again next election and hence start the next cycle of rebuilding/destruction/false promises etc thats the norm in politics. They are not going to do anything for Waterford.

More of the doom and gloom.

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

You want change? Programmes like Winterval, Give your Shirt for Waterford etc are the way to keep us in the spotlight. However mixed the success, at least the people involved know the score. Politicians DO NOT CARE. Its up to us.

I have been involved with WGAS and other projects, but they are part of the whole, something which some people cannot seem to grasp. You have to hound and harry for your rights. That is life. It IS up to us. That is why people complain. Get it now?

Sully

I can't believe the anger on here over a ****ing bike scheme. You want the TDs to shout about a bike scheme?! Get them to shout about more important issues. Bikes won't help Waterford. Get real please.

Nobody is getting it yet. Waterford was given the opportunity but it appears no sponsor came forward and it was proven to costly. Someone in the other cities seem interested. You cant ask our TDs to shout about it if there is no interest.

7upfree

Sully wrote: »

I can't believe the anger on here over a ****ing bike scheme. You want the TDs to shout about a bike scheme?! Get them to shout about more important issues. Bikes won't help Waterford. Get real please.

Nobody is getting it yet. Waterford was given the opportunity but it appears no sponsor came forward and it was proven to costly. Someone in the other cities seem interested. You cant ask our TDs to shout about it if there is no interest.

No - we want equality for Waterford. It's just more discrimination, pecking away at Waterford, ably propped up by their supporters who try to whip it under the carpet. Not any more. Maybe you should get real yourself Sully.;)

7upfree

Roanmore wrote: »

Did you not read the link in the OP?
It says the 3 cities mentioned MAY get a bike scheme subject to a tender process, nothing is guaranteed yet. It may well prove too expensive in those cities as well.

"Whoever wins the tender, will have to supply 300 bikes for Cork, 150 for Limerick and 200-250 for Galway.

They will also have to construct and install 75 docking stations, 75 user terminals and 25 advertising hoardings.

Few Irish companies will be equipped to apply. Interested companies have until the 23 July to submit their tenders.

Conditions for application include having installed and operated such a scheme involving at least 150 bikes in the past three years"

And what is missing from that list? Well?

7upfree

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Sigh.

Sigh yourself.

Sully

7upfree wrote: »

No - we want equality for Waterford. It's just more discrimination, pecking away at Waterford, ably propped up by their supporters who try to whip it under the carpet. Not any more. Maybe you should get real yourself Sully.;)

Its a BIKE SCHEME! Your making a fuss over something that appears was TOO COSTLY to open in Waterford and apparently little interest. Nobody came forward to sponsor the bleeding thing whereas in other counties they did! Money talks!

What your suggesting, that the government withdrew it on purpose, is factually incorrect. Neither of the other cities have been given it either, but the process for consideration suggests finances will be offered and interest is there.

Your selectively quoting and putting your own incorrect spin on a non-story.

Roanmore

7upfree wrote: »

And what is missing from that list? Well?

Did you read the link or are you just interested in playing victim? There was a survey done on Waterford and it proved too costly. The same thing may happen for the other 3 cities.

7upfree

Sully wrote: »

Your selectively quoting and putting your own incorrect spin on a non-story.

ROTFLMAO.

Now Sully, in fairness.............:D:D:D:D:D

Wanderer2010

^ I agree with some of your points there. With regards Waterford Crystal, of course it was terrible what happened but who was it who made the loudest noise and protest? The workers of course. They staged a sit in (sadly came to nothing) and fought tooth and nail to meet Ministers only to be ignored, they had to take their case to the highest court in order to get some comeback. Thats what I love about the people of Waterford, they fought their case but they did this on their own guts and crusade, just like WGAS etc. No TD helped in any way with regards Waterford Crystal or TalkTalk closing down etc. Its people power because at the end of the day, the likes of Halligan and Conway just want a soundbite and to look good on the 6.1 news for a minute or two and say all the right things but they have no power to do anything, can you see this?

Its no good ranting about the politicians, this country is a cess pool of corruption and me, me and more me culture. By your logic, I should be breaking into the Dail and demanding Enda Kenny stop giving his staff pay rises because its not right. He wouldnt care less. Politics as a rule is a circus of image and saying the right things at the right time. People who believe ANY of the pre election promises of an independent TD are idiots. Blinekered, naive idiots. And you seem to be raging at the fact that our TDs dont do enough. They dont and they never will, man, its staring you right in the face.

To address your other points, its not all doom and gloom, im simply pointing out how politics work. If you cant see that then I feel sorry for you. No amount of us ranting about individual TDs is going to make a tap of difference here. Yes, the population of Limerick as a whole is similar but Dublin and Galway will always get priority because, as i said, more people, more companies, more colleges, more employment,more money. Dont be a typical Waterford head 7UPFree and blame the TDs for EVERYTHING to do with Waterford, theres enough of that crap all over the city. Im not for a second blaming the people, but its up to us to rebuild. Who else is going to do it for us?

7upfree

Roanmore wrote: »

Did you read the link or are you just interested in playing victim? There was a survey done on Waterford and it proved too costly. The same thing may happen for the other 3 cities.

I would imagine all four would have been done simultaneously? If so, why not?

7upfree

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

^ I agree with some of your points there. With regards Waterford Crystal, of course it was terrible what happened but who was it who made the loudest noise and protest? The workers of course. They staged a sit in (sadly came to nothing) and fought tooth and nail to meet Ministers only to be ignored, they had to take their case to the highest court in order to get some comeback. Thats what I love about the people of Waterford, they fought their case but they did this on their own guts and crusade, just like WGAS etc. No TD helped in any way with regards Waterford Crystal or TalkTalk closing down etc. Its people power because at the end of the day, the likes of Halligan and Conway just want a soundbite and to look good on the 6.1 news for a minute or two and say all the right things but they have no power to do anything, can you see this?

Its no good ranting about the politicians, this country is a cess pool of corruption and me, me and more me culture. By your logic, I should be breaking into the Dail and demanding Enda Kenny stop giving his staff pay rises because its not right. He wouldnt care less. Politics as a rule is a circus of image and saying the right things at the right time. People who believe ANY of the pre election promises of an independent TD are idiots. Blinekered, naive idiots. And you seem to be raging at the fact that our TDs dont do enough. They dont and they never will, man, its staring you right in the face.

To address your other points, its not all doom and gloom, im simply pointing out how politics work. If you cant see that then I feel sorry for you. No amount of us ranting about individual TDs is going to make a tap of difference here. Yes, the population of Limerick as a whole is similar but Dublin and Galway will always get priority because, as i said, more people, more companies, more colleges, more employment,more money. Dont be a typical Waterford head 7UPFree and blame the TDs for EVERYTHING to do with Waterford, theres enough of that crap all over the city. Im not for a second blaming the people, but its up to us to rebuild. Who else is going to do it for us?

From your earlier post:

"Do you really lay all the blame on the militant reputation of Waterford at the seat of our three TDs"

In your rush to defend Government incompetence you have, effectively, blamed the people of Waterford city.

And what, pray tell, is a "typical Waterford head"?

I've already given examples of other places jumping up and down and being given their own way, but when it's Waterford it's because we are "militant"? WTF. Seriously?

And as for who is going to rebuild for us - is that a serious question??!!

Sully

7upfree wrote: »

From your earlier post:

"Do you really lay all the blame on the militant reputation of Waterford at the seat of our three TDs"

In your rush to defend Government incompetence you have, effectively, blamed the people of Waterford city.

And what, pray tell, is a "typical Waterford head"?

I've already given examples of other places jumping up and down and being given their own way, but when it's Waterford it's because we are "militant"? WTF. Seriously?

And as for who is going to rebuild for us - is that a serious question??!!

Any chance we can stay away from suggesting people are pro-government when they disagree with you, no?

Some of us want a balanced, sensible, factual discussion on this without being personally attacked without foundation.

7upfree

Sully wrote: »

Any chance we can stay away from suggesting people are pro-government when they disagree with you, no?

Some of us want a balanced, sensible, factual discussion on this without being personally attacked without foundation.

Without the spin Sully? That post has answered questions that have been asked. Where is the problem with it? Without wearing your FG hat.......:)

Sully

7upfree wrote: »

Without the spin Sully? That post has answered questions that have been asked. Where is the problem with it? Without wearing your FG hat.......:)

Ill take that as a no so.

7upfree

Sully wrote: »

Ill take that as a no so.

O Riain

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Sigh.

What are you sighing at exactly???? I gave examples of the population of Waterford and the population of Galway, both extremely similiar with only 5000 in the difference. If Galway can manage it with a population over 10 times smaller than Dublin then surely Waterford could manage with a population slightly smaller than Galway.

This is not even a Waterford being singled out issue. I would go as far to say that any reasonably sized town should also be considered. There is very little forward thinking in this country as it is.