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***2013 LC Chemistry Before/After***

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166 ✭✭xJEx


    Some examples of acid-base neutralisations....tbh you dont have to learn any off...and the equilibrium experiment ones but thats it and water ones....

    what are the water ones??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭Hamza Malik


    What is self ionisation of water?

    Would H2O ---> H+ and OH- be enough for full marks in that question ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44 eoinoc2509


    What is self ionisation of water?

    Would H2O ---> H+ and OH- be enough for full marks in that question ?

    yeah


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭MarieCurie22


    xJEx wrote: »
    what are the water ones??

    CO2 + H2O --->H2CO3

    H2CO3 + CaCO3 --->Ca(HCO3)2

    How hard water is formed! and know the reverse of that


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 standup


    I've given up on studying the topics! I'm going doing as many exam papers as i can now! I am hoping that this goes well tomorrow!!

    Good luck everyone!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,248 ✭✭✭Slow Show


    Why does each element have a unique emission spectrum, other than because they all have unique electronic configurations?

    This is most definitely a question to test all of your knowledge, it is in no way me trying to exploit you all for your knowledge. Of course not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭MarieCurie22


    Slow Show wrote: »
    Why does each element have a unique emission spectrum, other than because they all have unique electronic configurations?

    This is most definitely a question to test all of your knowledge, it is in no way me trying to exploit you all for your knowledge. Of course not.

    Unique number of shells, different samples (ie some contain more atoms...less energy absorbed by each)
    Different sub levels (although that essentially the same as the electronic config....hmmm....each atoms absorb different frequencies of light?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭Hamza Malik


    Slow Show wrote: »
    Why does each element have a unique emission spectrum, other than because they all have unique electronic configurations?

    This is most definitely a question to test all of your knowledge, it is in no way me trying to exploit you all for your knowledge. Of course not.

    Hmm so when elements become "excited" electrons move from lower energy levels to higher ones. They are very unstable here and fall back to their positions. They emit definite energy when they fall back and each element has a different amount of energy released :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭simons545


    Unique number of shells, different samples (ie some contain more atoms...less energy absorbed by each)
    Different sub levels (although that essentially the same as the electronic config....hmmm....each atoms absorb different frequencies of light?

    All samples contain the same number of atoms (avogadro number) The only thing that changes to give the Balmer series is, the normal emitting a photon/packet of energy as it transitions from one state to another. Although the movement is basically the same, the energy for each transition is different depending on the attractive forces between the electron and the nucleus, hence the different lines in the series :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166 ✭✭xJEx


    They emit the energy equal to the enery difference between the two levels which is unique for each element


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84 ✭✭meleanor


    Does anyone feel kinda helpless at this stage? :/ like I've gone over everything so many times, I don't know what to do now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭MarieCurie22


    simons545 wrote: »
    All samples contain the same number of atoms (avogadro number) The only thing that changes to give the Balmer series is, the normal emitting a photon/packet of energy as it transitions from one state to another. Although the movement is basically the same, the energy for each transition is different depending on the attractive forces between the electron and the nucleus, hence the different lines in the series :)

    No all samples dont contain the same number of atoms....all moles contain the same number not samples!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 The Cheesepoo


    Eoin Jacksons done his predictions. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tuWq4_P0Ig


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭MarieCurie22


    Eoin Jacksons done his predictions. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tuWq4_P0Ig

    TBH he messed up the physics IMO so dont bother


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭Prodigious


    Can anyone clarify about the colour change for the iodine/thiosulfate titration?

    I thought it was reddish brown --> colourless --> straw yellow --> blue black

    But in the video, even though the equation shows colourless, it goes straight from reddish brown to yellow??
    Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭simons545


    No all samples dont contain the same number of atoms....all moles contain the same number not samples!

    I mean when a sample's mass number is the number of grams, 12g of C-12 contain 6E23 atoms, 4g of He-4 contain same amount of atoms and so do all other elements with their mass number in grams, just sizes of each atom is different.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭MarieCurie22


    Prodigious wrote: »
    Can anyone clarify about the colour change for the iodine/thiosulfate titration?

    I thought it was reddish brown --> colourless --> straw yellow --> blue black

    But in the video, even though the equation shows colourless, it goes straight from reddish brown to yellow??
    Thanks

    no no :P
    Its red/brown then when it goes straw yellow we add starch to make it go blue/black so we can have a more definite colour change to colourless
    Otherwise straw yellow to colourless is impossible to detect!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭simons545


    Prodigious wrote: »
    Can anyone clarify about the colour change for the iodine/thiosulfate titration?

    I thought it was reddish brown --> colourless --> straw yellow --> blue black

    But in the video, even though the equation shows colourless, it goes straight from reddish brown to yellow??
    Thanks
    It goes from golden brown=>pale yellow. Add freshly prepared starch indicator=>blue/black then addition of more thiosulfate gives the colorless. Hope this helped :-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭simons545


    no no :P
    Its red/brown then when it goes straw yellow we add starch to make it go blue/black so we can have a more definite colour change to colourless
    Otherwise straw yellow to colourless is impossible to detect!

    You got in before me :-) haha we are gonna have fun tomorrow :-P


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭MarieCurie22


    simons545 wrote: »
    You got in before me :-) haha we are gonna have fun tomorrow :-P

    Maybe you will i wont :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭MarieCurie22


    Ok guys Ionisation energy is tipped for tomorrow so...heres my tricks of the trade :P

    mickey2.jpg

    Mickeys hat and cloak represent the ATOMIC RADIUS...
    -Decreasing across (Mickey's hat gets narrower):
    -Increase in nuclear charge (ie more and more protons being added stronger pulling force from the nucleus, which in turn makes the radius smaller)
    -Also no screening effect of inner electrons!
    -Increasing Down (Like Mickey's cloak getting wider)
    -Addition of new shells down the period
    -Because of the addition of the new shells this means there is a screening effect of inner electrons!

    Ionisation Energy:
    The energy required to remove the most loosely bound electron from a neutral atom in its gaseous state.

    Ionisation energies....
    -Increase across the period:
    -Due to the decrease in atomic radius (See above)
    -Increase in atomic charge (more protons)
    -Decrease down the period:
    -Due to increasing atomic radius.
    -Screening effect of inner electrons!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,696 ✭✭✭outnumbered


    OH I hope this "all-nighter" pays dividends tomorrow!!!
    En primer lugar, tengo El Espanol, y después, tengo la quemica!
    Best of luck to all!!! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭simons545


    OH I hope this "all-nighter" pays dividends tomorrow!!!
    En primer lugar, tengo El Espanol, y después, tengo la quemica!
    Best of luck to all!!! :D

    ¡Buena suerte!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 893 ✭✭✭ray2012


    Don't know if I'll be back on this thread before the exam as I plan on studying straight until 2 .. So if not, GOOD LUCK chem students! Lets hope it's a good one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 Nl90


    Can any one help me with this
    How to standarise a solution ?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84 ✭✭meleanor


    Nl90 wrote: »
    Can any one help me with this
    How to standarise a solution ?

    Titration against a primary standard and then working our its molarity.

    Good luck to everyone, keep cool! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,553 ✭✭✭✭Copper_pipe


    What experiments do ye reckon will come up?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 893 ✭✭✭ray2012


    What experiments do ye reckon will come up?

    Winkler Method, Ethanal, and maybe the one about producing Oxygen with H202 or something.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭Prodigious


    Ethanoic acid, iodine/thiosulfate, Decomposition of H2O2

    What's the winkler method?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭MarieCurie22


    Prodigious wrote: »
    Ethanoic acid, iodine/thiosulfate, Decomposition of H2O2

    What's the winkler method?
    BOD of water


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭ladymacbeth


    Prodigious wrote: »
    Ethanoic acid, iodine/thiosulfate, Decomposition of H2O2

    What's the winkler method?

    The dissolved O2 of water is found using the winkler method


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭Hamza Malik


    I'll kill myself is the benzoic acid experiment comes up. I don't know it well :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 287 ✭✭YoursSincerely


    Prodigious wrote: »
    Ethanoic acid, iodine/thiosulfate, Decomposition of H2O2

    What's the winkler method?

    My teacher said they can't ask ehtanoic acid or ethanal in section A because sodium dichromate is banned in school labs and they can only be asked in section B


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭MarieCurie22


    My teacher said they can't ask ehtanoic acid or ethanal in section A because sodium dichromate is banned in school labs and they can only be asked in section B

    Yes they can ask it they have it on the syllabus and thus they have every right to ask it! They are tipped to come up as they are off the syllabus next year! I went to several chem revision courses....and they all said they can definitely ask you they even went to the trouble of making dvds for the schools of these 2 experiments so know them!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 185 ✭✭ahmdoda


    I'll kill myself is the benzoic acid experiment comes up. I don't know it well :confused:
    haha i didnt even do it came up 2 years in a row perior to 2012 dont see it again hopefully


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭MarieCurie22


    ahmdoda wrote: »
    haha i didnt even do it came up 2 years in a row perior to 2012 dont see it again hopefully

    I dont think it will....rates of rxn or heat of rxn is your best bet there!


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Quick clarification. Is it that either atmospheric or industrial chemistry will be the option?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭MarieCurie22


    Quick clarification. Is it that either atmospheric or industrial chemistry will be the option?

    Yes itll say answer either or i think :)


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    And the thinnest apparatus is always the most accurate? I.e Burette > graduated cylinder


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 428 ✭✭Acciaccatura


    Yes itll say answer either or i think :)

    I thought it was one of A or B comes up in each option, like say our year did atmospheric and industrial but other schools did materials and electrochemistry,
    then the question that comes up will have, for example, the option of atmospheric or electrochemistry. Or have I that wrong?

    Either way, I only know industrial. Premier Periclase is my bítch :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭MarieCurie22


    And the thinnest apparatus is always the most accurate? I.e Burette > graduated cylinder
    Not neccasaily the thinest every time....the burette is more accurate is it measures ever drop, the graduated cylinder wouldnt "read" a tiny difference like a burrette...
    How ever the volumetric flask is better than any other because of its thing neck....its not the thinnest apparatus!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭MarieCurie22


    I thought it was one of A or B comes up in each option, like say our year did atmospheric and industrial but other schools did materials and electrochemistry,
    then the question that comes up will have, for example, the option of atmospheric or electrochemistry. Or have I that wrong?

    Either way, I only know industrial. Premier Periclase is my bítch :D

    Tbh half the schools dont bother with it....stick to what you know without the option and if you feel capable go for it!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭Prodigious


    Gonna nail it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭Prodigious




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭MarieCurie22


    Prodigious wrote: »
    Gonna nail it.

    Thats the spirit :) sick of people saying otherwise...
    Whats the timming today?


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Not neccasaily the thinest every time....the burette is more accurate is it measures ever drop, the graduated cylinder wouldnt "read" a tiny difference like a burrette...
    How ever the volumetric flask is better than any other because of its thing neck....its not the thinnest apparatus!

    Thank you :) Just in this particular question I was asked either a Burette or a graduated cylinder :)
    And I'm pretty sure you're right about the option it'll only be atmosphere or industry. Hoping for atmosphere :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭Prodigious


    Thats the spirit :) sick of people saying otherwise...
    Whats the timming today?

    Timing? Never really pay attention to it, always seem to have a good 30 minutes at least at the end. I'll probably do Q4 5 and 6 first, then go back and to the experiments, and then have a look at what's left. What order are you doing?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭MarieCurie22


    Prodigious wrote: »
    Timing? Never really pay attention to it, always seem to have a good 30 minutes at least at the end. I'll probably do Q4 5 and 6 first, then go back and to the experiments, and then have a look at what's left. What order are you doing?

    Guys ALWAYS do q 4 they give you 2 "free marks" for nothing cause the total for that q doesnt add up!!SO DO Q4 ! the marks just get added on to the first 2 qs you get right! (check it out yourself....each is worth 6m x 8 = 48....q is worth 50.....:P (this has been confirmed by teachers)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭MarieCurie22


    Also you guys would be idiots (not saying you are yet :P) if you go into the exam not knowing:
    Mn+7 = purple
    Mn+4 = brown
    Mn+2 = colourless

    You add H2SO4 to provide protons to enure complete redution of Mn+7 to Mn+2 NOT Mn+4
    Mn+4 is in the BOD expriment its the brown percipitate...
    Mn+2 is a catalyst (autocatalysis!)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭MarieCurie22


    Prodigious wrote: »
    Timing? Never really pay attention to it, always seem to have a good 30 minutes at least at the end. I'll probably do Q4 5 and 6 first, then go back and to the experiments, and then have a look at what's left. What order are you doing?

    All experiments first do all if you can gives you so much space at the end
    Then q 4, 7.8.9
    Then the ones with the options :)


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