Protein shake breakfast?

Wexy86

Hi all

Just a query on how you feel about a protein shake for breakfast? Waste of cals or worth it?

Currently my protein take is on the low side and I don't eat breakfast, my first meal is usually lunch at 12/12.30. (Wrong I know)

I'm doing a whole reshape of my diet and exercise and diet to try lose 20lbs/ down 2 dress sizes and not eating breakfast seems to be a downfall. I don't like cereal/porridge/oats/eggs ( can eat omlette with a good bit of meat/veg if needed) and am not hungry until lunch time. (I wake at 7.30)

Am I adding i extra cals that I don't need? Or is this they way that get me into a breakfast. My BMR is 2048 and will get a non flavoured protein off myprotein.ie - also exercising 4 times a week.


I like to snack after my 6.30 dinner so I'm hoping that the breakfast might start trying rid of this unnecessary/habit snacking.

Thanks folks
Wexy

Stench Blossoms

You don't *have* to eat breakfast.

Post up a typical days diet, height and weight.

If you aren't getting enough protein then yes I would supplement with a shake. You don't have to take it first thing in the morning either, you could take it whenever you want.

thegreatiam

If you don't want breakfast then don't eat breakfast. If you need more protein try to eat more protein with your regular meals. More protein at lunch or dinner will help minimise evening snacks. no need for a shake.

On the other hand, on days when I remember (can be arsed) I make a nice shake for breakfast (i rarely eat breakfast and usually go til evening with no food, as I simply don't get hungry but occasionally ill get one of these)

breakfast shake:(or lunch or dinner or snack, eat whenever)
Milk, 3-/400 mls,
banana,
peanut butter tbsp
flax seeds, tbsp,(optional)
honey (or jam, or lemon curd) (optional)
protein powder (optional)

makes a high protein (and high sugar if you add the jam) breakfast drink which should keep you going for most of the day.
tastes amazballs

tupac_healy

thegreatiam wrote: »

If you don't want breakfast then don't eat breakfast. If you need more protein try to eat more protein with your regular meals. More protein at lunch or dinner will help minimise evening snacks. no need for a shake.

On the other hand, on days when I remember (can be arsed) I make a nice shake for breakfast (i rarely eat breakfast and usually go til evening with no food, as I simply don't get hungry but occasionally ill get one of these)

breakfast shake:(or lunch or dinner or snack, eat whenever)
Milk, 3-/400 mls,
banana,
peanut butter tbsp
flax seeds, tbsp,(optional)
honey (or jam, or lemon curd) (optional)
protein powder (optional)

makes a high protein (and high sugar if you add the jam) breakfast drink which should keep you going for most of the day.
tastes amazballs

Ok I'm NOT an expert on this, but I have been reliably informed that skipping breakfast as part if a healthy diet is one of the biggest mistakes you can make. Apparently your body burns the most fat/calories first thing in the morning and by not eating breakfast your body will replace any fat/calories consumed during the day, hence not making progress!!!!


The best thing you can do for breakfast is eggs. Again, I'm by no means claiming to be an expert on this, but I do believe the guys I work with as they have researched this so much.....


Look at this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketosis


Long and short of it is eating the right foods at the right times will turn your body into a fat burning machine!!!!!

Paddywiggum

tupac_healy wrote: »

Ok I'm NOT an expert on this, but I have been reliably informed that skipping breakfast as part if a healthy diet is one of the biggest mistakes you can make. Apparently your body burns the most fat/calories first thing in the morning and by not eating breakfast your body will replace any fat/calories consumed during the day, hence not making progress!!!!


The best thing you can do for breakfast is eggs. Again, I'm by no means claiming to be an expert on this, but I do believe the guys I work with as they have researched this so much.....


Look at this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketosis


Long and short of it is eating the right foods at the right times will turn your body into a fat burning machine!!!!!

you got it mixed up a bit. not eating breakfast is called intermittent fasting, when done regularly the body will turn to fat as a fuel source for morning activity. i've been doing it for 6 months with great results. its not so much the food, its the effect fasting has on your hormones.

ketosis is when your whole diet is skewed towards fat instead carbs as a fuel source. most people drop into ketosis within a week of less than 30g carbs/day.

if you combine low carb and intermittent fasting you're onto a winner if bodyfat reduction is the goal.


OP my advice is to switch the thought of a morning shake for a late night shake. myprotein do a nighttime protein, casein or milk protein. its slow digesting through the night and so the morning wont be so bad without breakfast.

tupac_healy

Paddywiggum wrote: »

you got it mixed up a bit. not eating breakfast is called intermittent fasting, when done regularly the body will turn to fat as a fuel source for morning activity. i've been doing it for 6 months with great results. its not so much the food, its the effect fasting has on your hormones.

Eh, just about this.... maybe its JUST me, but ive regularly skipped breakfast for years, I mean YEARS.... just had a quick cup of tea/coffee and I certainly didnt loose any weight because of it. As I said, yes your body will absorbe those fats in the morning, but whatever you eat during the day your body will replenish those fats first and formost, hense your caught in a vicious circle.


Now im speaking for myself only and not claiming to be any sort of expert, but ive changed my diet to include eggs for breakfast and not skipping it....


Not.only am I loosing weight but I have lots more energy throughout the day. Everyone ive talked to (a lot!!!!) Has told me that skipping breakfast is a terrible idea, worked for me!!!!

Paddywiggum

this is one of the most informative fasting websites, have a read

http://www.leangains.com/2010/10/top-ten-fasting-myths-debunked.html

thegreatiam

tupac_healy wrote: »

Ok I'm NOT an expert on this, but I have been reliably informed that skipping breakfast as part if a healthy diet is one of the biggest mistakes you can make. Apparently your body burns the most fat/calories first thing in the morning and by not eating breakfast your body will replace any fat/calories consumed during the day, hence not making progress!!!!

Ive never been one for breakfast ever since I was a child. I simply don't get hungry until i've been awake for sometime. On occasion I feel nauseous if I eat too early.
There are many healthy people who are like this (a lot!!!).

If you have a breakfast eggs is a very good option, as are many other choices. If you do not want a breakfast then don't have one it really is fine.

The basic idea is to listen to your body and eat when you are hungry.

tupac_healy

thegreatiam wrote: »

Ive never been one for breakfast ever since I was a child. I simply don't get hungry until i've been awake for sometime. On occasion I feel nauseous if I eat too early.
There are many healthy people who are like this (a lot!!!).

If you have a breakfast eggs is a very good option, as are many other choices. If you do not want a breakfast then don't have one it really is fine.

The basic idea is to listen to your body and eat when you are hungry.

Just out of interest, what is your goal?

I'm not being smart or clever but a genuine question, with the advice above what targets are you trying to reach? I've changed my diet/routine with a specific goal in mind (soccer) and its working a treat for me, just interested to know is this your 'everyday' or have you made a conscious decision to go down this route?

thegreatiam

tupac_healy wrote: »

Just out of interest, what is your goal?

I'm not being smart or clever but a genuine question, with the advice above what targets are you trying to reach? I've changed my diet/routine with a specific goal in mind (soccer) and its working a treat for me, just interested to know is this your 'everyday' or have you made a conscious decision to go down this route?

Down what route?
not eating breakfast for me has nothing to do with goals, it's unconscious decision. I'm not hungry in the morning so I don't eat in the morning. Ever since I was a child/early teenager.

The dietary choice some people make to not eat breakfast is certainly a valid one tho.
The myth that if you skip breakfast you will struggle to lose weight is an out and out fallacy. If you want breakfast eat breakfast, if you don't then don't.

tupac_healy

thegreatiam wrote: »

Down what route?
not eating breakfast for me has nothing to do with goals, it's unconscious decision. I'm not hungry in the morning so I don't eat in the morning. Ever since I was a child/early teenager.

The dietary choice some people make to not eat breakfast is certainly a valid one tho.
The myth that if you skip breakfast you will struggle to lose weight is an out and out fallacy. If you want breakfast eat breakfast, if you don't then don't.

Exactly what I mean, your not going down any route, it's just something you do...... You say it's an unconscious decision, what I'm talking about is making a conscious decision to structure your entire diet.....


I'm not arguing with you mate, as I said it was a genuine question, if that works for you and the OP wants to take that advice and move forward fine, I'm just presenting another option that has worked very very well for me.

thegreatiam

tupac_healy wrote: »

Exactly what I mean, your not going down any route, it's just something you do...... You say it's an unconscious decision, what I'm talking about is making a conscious decision to structure your entire diet.....


I'm not arguing with you mate, as I said it was a genuine question, if that works for you and the OP wants to take that advice and move forward fine, I'm just presenting another option that has worked very very well for me.

but the op has said he doesn't feel hungry in the morning and doesn't like common breakfast foods so he is looking for an alternative to make sure he eats breakfast.

The point is if he doesn't want or need breakfast then he needn't worry if he skips it.

tupac_healy

thegreatiam wrote: »

but the op has said he doesn't feel hungry in the morning and doesn't like common breakfast foods so he is looking for an alternative to make sure he eats breakfast.

The point is if he doesn't want or need breakfast then he needn't worry if he skips it.

Which is exactly the point I'm DISAGREEING with!!! Ha ha!!!

I've presented an option, I can't make the OP do it??? People have given opinions on skipping breakfast and I've given my view, IMO the OP does in fact need an alternative to skipping breakfast, as stated, I'm taking 2 scrambled eggs every morning possible and its working for me.


IMO he need worry if he skips breakfast, again my opinion and the OP can take it on board or not, other options have been presented and its up to the OP to decide from here to be honest.


I see no harm whatsoever in arguing the point

Stench Blossoms

He doesn't need to worry if he skips breakfast.

Seriously, eat when you're hungry not when someone tells you you should be hungry.

thegreatiam

tupac_healy wrote: »

Which is exactly the point I'm DISAGREEING with!!! Ha ha!!!

I've presented an option, I can't make the OP do it??? People have given opinions on skipping breakfast and I've given my view, IMO the OP does in fact need an alternative to skipping breakfast, as stated, I'm taking 2 scrambled eggs every morning possible and its working for me.


IMO he need worry if he skips breakfast, again my opinion and the OP can take it on board or not, other options have been presented and its up to the OP to decide from here to be honest.


I see no harm whatsoever in arguing the point

Your point seems to be that you want him to eat breakfast.

You've ignored anecdotal evidence from others that skipping is fine, you've ignored evidence from well know research debunking any adverse affects of skipping breakfast with cited studies and sources.

The only argument you are having here is that you think the op should eat breakfast.

Cale

^^

The OP wants assurances about her diet.

She's stated she's not hungry in the mornings.

Other posters have assured her it's fine (which it is, you need read up on it) to skip breakfast, provided you're consistent with your diet etc..

Your solution is to give her something else she doesn't want to eat in the morning? It makes no sense.

OP, if you're not hungry, don't eat breakfast. Sometimes I'm famished in the mornings and sometimes I'm not, when I am, I eat, when I'm not, I don't. Simple.

I eat when I'm hungry and with sleep patterns etc, those times of the day vary.

--Kaiser--

If you're not hungry in the morning, don't eat. Don't listen to this 'you must eat breakfast' rubbish. I don't normally eat before noon, regardless of what time I wake up (and I usually wake before 8)

tupac_healy

Okay......

Disregard everything I've said, it's utter bull**** that I just made up off the top of my head. There everyone happy now???


This is one of the biggest problems with this site, someone asks a question, I gave my ****ing opinion about it, READ I SAID MORE THAN ONCE I'M NOT CLAIMING TO BE AN EXPERT and you just get bandwagon'd.....


Grand, OP skip breakfast do what works for you, and last time I'm saying this, IT DIDN'T FOR ME....... not opinion, FACT. don't sit at your computers/devices and try and tell me something which I have experienced....

Jesus h Christ like

Vegeta

tupac_healy wrote: »

Grand, OP skip breakfast do what works for you, and last time I'm saying this, IT DIDN'T FOR ME....... not opinion, FACT. don't sit at your computers/devices and try and tell me something which I have experienced....

Jesus h Christ like

Dude, I have no dog in this fight but earlier in this thread you mention putting more focus on your diet/nutrition for soccer. You are advancing towards your goals, which is brilliant but eating scrambled eggs for breakfast is not what's giving you the results.

This is:

I've changed my diet/routine with a specific goal in mind

Unless of course the only change is consuming scrambled eggs for breakfast.

thegreatiam

tupac_healy wrote: »

Okay......

Disregard everything I've said, it's utter bull**** that I just made up off the top of my head. There everyone happy now???


This is one of the biggest problems with this site, someone asks a question, I gave my ****ing opinion about it, READ I SAID MORE THAN ONCE I'M NOT CLAIMING TO BE AN EXPERT and you just get bandwagon'd.....


Grand, OP skip breakfast do what works for you, and last time I'm saying this, IT DIDN'T FOR ME....... not opinion, FACT. don't sit at your computers/devices and try and tell me something which I have experienced....

Jesus h Christ like

You're getting a bit touchy about weather someone else eats breakfast or not.
You do realise that everyone is saying if you want to eat breakfast you should. It is literally the most relaxed opinion online. No one is saying eating breakfast is a bad idea. If you feel the need to have breakfast then dont feel ashamed, we won't think anything bad about you.

Im sure it is fact that eating breakfast works for you, same as it's also fact that it doesnt work for others, and Im sure it is fact that missing breakfast sometimes and eating it sometimes works for a lot of people too. no need to get bent out of shape because of it though.

No-one else has claimed to be an expert, except the people in the linked information who are scientists who prove that there is nothing wrong with skipping breakfast.

tupac_healy

Wexy86 wrote: »

Hi all

Just a query on how you feel about a protein shake for breakfast? Waste of cals or worth it?

Currently my protein take is on the low side and I don't eat breakfast, my first meal is usually lunch at 12/12.30. (Wrong I know)

y

Ok so, lets try this a different way......

OP has posted the above......

Explain to me everyone that posted 'eat whenever you want' why did the OP post wrong I know................. Apparently it's not wrong and just eat whenever your hungry and you'll be grand.

And to those who say I'm getting upset cause the OP won't eat breakfast you can see that I've posted at least twice that I'm offering advice on what I did, take it or leave it to the OP, sorry but those comments are just out of line and no wonder I reacted liked did.....


Seriously though, I gave an opinion. THAT IS ALL...... wrong in most eyes but it works for me



Regards being the only change.... No not the only change, but is it helping??? Have I seen significant improvements since just implementing just this one change alone (changing diet piece by piece)


Yes.

thegreatiam

tupac_healy wrote: »

Seriously though, I gave an opinion. THAT IS ALL...... wrong in most eyes but it works for me


.

Yes you gave an opinion, but sadly having an opinion doesnt amount to much. and in this case your opinion is incorrect. As is it's been proven otherwise and debunked, as Paddywiggum highlighted by directing you to leangains.
Now you can keep screaming about how its an opinion if you like, but you are going to have to eventually come to terms with the fact that if people don't want to eat breakfast there is nothing you can do about it.

Like I said, if you wish to continue eating breakfast then this is fine. Seriously, noone will mind if you do. Also if, one day, you decide to skip breakfast that will also be fine.

rubadub

tupac_healy wrote: »

. Everyone ive talked to (a lot!!!!) Has told me that skipping breakfast is a terrible idea

And now you cannot say that anymore, well not literally "talked to", but at least you have heard that there is opposition to the presumption. I am usually pleased, and at least interested, when I see opposing views to "common knowledge" facts I have heard/believed like this.

Most often the "experts" telling me not to miss breakfasts have a vested interest in my eating it, e.g. manufacturers of cereal based junk food.

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20130304-skip-breakfast-pile-on-weight/1

MEDICAL MYTHS| 5 March 2013
Does skipping breakfast make you put on weight?

It’s a plausible theory, until you look through the evidence. Then things become a little messy.

We’re often told that breakfast is an essential part of a healthy diet, especially if you are watching your weight. Some schools run breakfast to ensure that as many pupils as possible eat this all-important first meal of the day. But not everyone can stomach an early morning meal. In Europe and US between 10% and 30% of people skip breakfast, with teenage girls most likely to give it a miss, saying they’ve not got time, don’t feel hungry or that they’re on a diet.

Missing breakfast for dietary reasons runs counter to a great deal of advice. The logic goes that missing an early morning meal will leave you hungry for the rest of the day, tempting you to snack on high-calorie foods, and resulting in weight gain.

It’s a plausible theory, until you look for evidence that people who skip breakfast consume any more calories than anyone else. The impact skipping breakfast has on weight is harder to study systematically than you might expect. The first problem is how to define that first meal of the day. How much food counts as a real breakfast? Do you have to eat it seven days a week to be defined as a breakfast-eater? And how early in the day does it need to be eaten? For example, when the US Department of Agriculture conducted a systematic review on the topic they found that most studies defined breakfast as food eaten before ten in the morning. Anyone who ate at 10.05 was considered to have skipped breakfast, which could skew the results.

Another difficulty is that what is eaten for breakfast varies from country to country. In Scandinavia it might include smoked fish, in Germany cold meats, and in the UK boxed cereals, which can often contain more sugar and salt than people realise (the Consensus Action on Salt and Health group says some cereals are saltier than seawater). This makes the impact of eating breakfast more difficult to study on a global level because the nutritional benefits will depend on what you include in the meal.

But if we stick to looking at calories consumed, there have been many attempts to study the impact of eating breakfast on a person’s weight. A review of studies conducted before 2004 found that on the whole breakfast-skippers do not consume more calories during the rest of the day to compensate. People who ate breakfast tended to have a diet that was more nutritionally balanced, but it wasn’t more calorific. The findings on weight are a little more complex. Four studies found that children who didn’t eat breakfast had on average a higher body mass index, but another three studies found it made no difference. The advantage of those first four studies was that they had taken more trouble to control for factors which might skew the results. So the evidence begins to tip slightly towards a link between missing breakfast and increased weight.

To muddy the waters, a US review in 2011 cited five studies that found an association between breakfast-skipping and weight gain: three that found it made no difference, and one which found the opposite – that amongst overweight children, the breakfast-eaters weighed even more. And to confuse the issue even more, a meta-analysis which pooled the results of nineteen studies conducted in Asian and Pacific regions found a relationship between increased weight and missing breakfast. A European systematic review had similar findings, but one study found the relationship between breakfast-skipping and weight only existed for boys.

Does size matter?

What happens when you turn the question round? Seven studies found that overweight children are more likely to skip breakfast. But this highlights the problem with these studies – they are cross-sectional. They take a snapshot in time. They don’t prove causation. We can’t know which came first – the excess weight or the breakfast-skipping. Perhaps these children are missing breakfast because they are already overweight and are trying to eat less.

The alternative is to study people for a long period of time, and the first longitudinal study on this topic was done in 2003. When the study researchers took a snapshot in time they found that children who skipped breakfast weighed more on average. But when they followed the same children for three years the heavier children who missed breakfast actually lost weight over time.

So we’re left with a situation where many studies, but by no means all, find that children who miss breakfast are more likely to be overweight. However, we can’t be sure whether their diet or missing breakfast is making them overweight. If missing breakfast is contributing to their weight gain then it’s not clear why, because they don’t consume more calories overall.

If it’s not about total calories consumed, could the timing of meals have an effect? Are three smaller meals better than two larger ones? Very few randomised controlled trials have been done on this topic, but there was one carried out in 1992 on adults. Obese women were given diet plans in which everyone ate the same total number of calories in a day – half had three smaller meals a day, while the other half missed breakfast, but had lunch, followed by a larger supper later on. These results really are fascinating. Those who were accustomed to skipping breakfast lost more weight if they were put in the group who ate breakfast, while the people used to regularly eating an early morning meal lost more weight if they skipped breakfast. In other words, a change in their normal routine helped them to lose weight. So maybe the lesson of that study is that you should simply do something different. At the University of Hertfordshire in the UK psychologists have developed and researched a weight loss programme based on just this premise.

It is a confusing picture, which is why a new paper just published on dieting myths includes skipping breakfast as one of the diet presumptions that have not been proven. If you choose a single study you can prove your argument either way. So when it comes to weight the jury is out,

But there could be other benefits of eating breakfast. Randomised controlled trials in rural Jamaica and Peru showed improved grades in children who ate breakfast at school. These might not generalise to everywhere because they might well have been nutritionally-deprived beforehand, so breakfast might have made more difference there than in well-nourished children.

So, to the acid question: should you eat breakfast or not if you want to lose weight? People who eat breakfast do tend to have a more balanced diet overall, but if you are only interested in the weight aspect, then until more randomised controlled trials have been done, it comes down to personal preference. Some of us simply can’t face the idea of an early breakfast. If that’s you, you can blame your chronotype – new research has found that evening types just don’t feel hungry early in the mornings. In that case, until some really good randomised controlled trials prove otherwise, perhaps the answer is to follow your stomach, not fight it.

The causation is a good point, I had wondered if many are simply not hungry in the morning since they were midnight snacking on huge meals. If I eat late at night I am often in no mood to eat in the morning.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

Stench Blossoms wrote: »

He doesn't need to worry if he skips breakfast.

Seriously, eat when you're hungry not when someone tells you you should be hungry.

My body tells me I am hungry all the time

I eminent obesity professor in Ireland told me once that one thing that normal weight people have in common is that they eat breakfast. I know IF would tell you not to (although that depends on your IF timings), but that is a whole other level of discipline altogether.

If its good habits you are trying to form, the a good breakfast that has some form of protein and not too much sugar is a good idea. There is plenty of broscience either way.

--Kaiser--

Tinley Panicky Plan wrote: »

My body tells me I am hungry all the time

I eminent obesity professor in Ireland told me once that one thing that normal weight people have in common is that they eat breakfast. I know IF would tell you not to (although that depends on your IF timings), but that is a whole other level of discipline altogether.

If its good habits you are trying to form, the a good breakfast that has some form of protein and not too much sugar is a good idea. There is plenty of broscience either way.

Eminent professor my balls, lots of normal weight people don't eat breakfast

btkm8unsl0w5r4

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

Eminent professor my balls, lots of normal weight people don't eat breakfast

Brilliant counter argument there :rolleyes:, lots of normal weight people eat a load of junk too. I will tell him the next time I see him he is talking rubbish.

thegreatiam

Tinley Panicky Plan wrote: »

Brilliant counter argument there :rolleyes:, lots of normal weight people eat a load of junk too. I will tell him the next time I see him he is talking rubbish.

exactly the same argument can be said about your statement.

Im a "normal" weight and I rarely eat breakfast. When I ate junk I was a "normal" weight.

one thing that "normal" weight people have in common is that they eat breakfast

That statement in and of itself means the square root of f-all.
another 1 thing that "normal" weight people have in common is that they sweat less than obese. So by the logic of an eminent professor we can assume that sweating less means you will be a "normal" weight.

(assuming we know what a "normal" weight is)


"normal" couldn't be less useful of a word when comparing cross sections of people. take a completely random group of unconnected people and you will struggle to find any significant statistic common across all of them. some will be tall, some thin, some athletic, some not. some will eat junk, some clean, some will exercise other will do none. But it is likely they will all fall in the realms of normal.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

Ok then, when I was fat I never ate breakfast. Prof O'Shea would say that eating breakfast is one of the habits of those that control their weight...what do you want me to say that I already haven't said about IF an all that. Forum advice is average advice not specifically about the genetic master race that can alter the rules and be shredded.

--Kaiser--

Tinley Panicky Plan wrote: »

Brilliant counter argument there

He didn't have an argument, he had a statement, one which is demonstrably false.

Let me stoop to your level: All the fat people I know eat breakfast every day. Ergo, breakfast makes you fat! QED

thegreatiam

Tinley Panicky Plan wrote: »

Ok then, when I was fat I never ate breakfast. Prof O'Shea would say that eating breakfast is one of the habits of those that control their weight...what do you want me to say that I already haven't said about IF an all that. Forum advice is average advice not specifically about the genetic master race that can alter the rules and be shredded.

but a statement like "normal weight" means nothing. Define normal.
What is normal? So what is normal? is it the national average? the median average? Or the most often occurring? cos those would be 3 different figures. is it people who are optimal? or the most common weight? or is it people who are low body fat? Or people with a large muscle mass?

Take 3 healthy normal people with a "normal" weight range and you could be looking at 3 drastically different people.

Take 100 people of "normal" weight range and you will struggle to find more than 2 with the same statistics.

Not only that but you are not looking at a causation, people with "normal weight" are not so because they eat breakfast, also people who are overweight are not fat because they skip breakfast.

While I will agree that people who tend to skip breakfast tend to care less about their daily diet it is not mutually exclusive. It's not a factor and you're just piecing evidence together simply because it occurs at roughly similar times.

It's no different to sacrificing a virgin on summer solstice to make sure the harvest goes well.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

He didn't have an argument, he had a statement, one which is demonstrably false

What? So are you saying that because you dont eat breakfast that that proves that eating breakfast is not a good habit as part of a lifestyle to control your weight? As I say lot of bro-science and anecdote going on. At the end of they day do whatever the **** you want.

--Kaiser--

Tinley Panicky Plan wrote: »

What? So are you saying that because you dont eat breakfast that that proves that eating breakfast is not a good habit as part of a lifestyle to control your weight? As I say lot of bro-science and anecdote going on. At the end of they day do whatever the **** you want.

Yawn. Did I state that breakfast is not a good habit? Nope. You can be a thin or fat eating breakfast, you can be thin or fat not eating breakfast

thegreatiam

Tinley Panicky Plan wrote: »

What? So are you saying that because you dont eat breakfast that that proves that eating breakfast is not a good habit as part of a lifestyle to control your weight? As I say lot of bro-science and anecdote going on. At the end of they day do whatever the **** you want.

This is the whole argument in a nutshell.

2 camps:
Those who don't regularly eat breakfast saying do what you like, missing breakfast is shown to have no adverse effects.

And the other camp saying eat breakfast or youll get fat.

At no point has anyone said eating breakfast is a bad thing. If you want to eat breakfast then do so.

The whole point is that it makes no difference if you do or you do not. And we have studies to show it makes very little difference.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

Ok then, lets have some of the trainers on here that have experience beyond their own personal experience....should you eat breakfast in order to help loose weight.

thegreatiam

paddywiggum linked studies in post 7

Seriously, why do you care if someone else eats breakfast or not?

The simple fact is a lot of people do not get hungry or cannot stomach food early in the day. I am one.
Forcing me to eat breakfast shortly out of bed will not encourage me to lose weight. It will encourage me to vomit, which I suppose could be the same thing.

Even if they came out with categorical, solid and undisputed proof that eating breakfast would cause me to lose weight I would still not want to eat breakfast.

Even if, when I ate breakfast, 2lbs of fat actually stood up and walked off my stomach packed its bags and got on a train I would still not eat breakfast because I cannot usually stomach food that early in the day.

runawaybishop

Tinley Panicky Plan wrote: »

I eminent obesity professor in Ireland told me once that one thing that normal weight people have in common is that they eat breakfast.

International research shows that people who eat breakfast, like low-fat Kellogg's Special K, tend to be slimmer than those who don't eat breakfast.

The above statement is does not contain any untruths, but it is misleading.

Are people slim because they eat a breakfast, or are they slim because they have an overall healthy diet and lifestyle which also happens to include eating breakfast?

Stench Blossoms

When I was fat I ate breakfast. I'm not fat now and I still eat breakfast.

tupac_healy

What gets me about this thread is a lot of you were quick to ridicule me when I 'apparently' (never actually did day) that you HAVE to eat breakfast, got slammed for that....

Yet those giving me crap are sprouting untruths like its grand to skip breakfast no bother..... I presented an OPINION that it is not as clear cut as all that. I never said to the OP that YOU MUST EAT BREAKFAST but people did actually give direct unproven misleading info saying that in actual FACT you can skip breakfast......


I think those people that made such sweeping statements and misleading the OP should admit that is not clear cut home and dry as they made out......



Once again, the difference is I NEVER SAID TO THE OP THAT YOU MUST HAVE BREAKFAST YET OTHERS SAID CATAGORICALLY THAT IT IS FINE TO DO SO......which is misleading

btkm8unsl0w5r4

Remember when reading a forum of other peoples opinions everything is about you. What is average?, its what everyone else is and you are not.

runawaybishop

tupac_healy wrote: »

Yet those giving me crap are sprouting untruths like its grand to skip breakfast no bother..... I presented an OPINION that it is not as clear cut as all that. I never said to the OP that YOU MUST EAT BREAKFAST but people did actually give direct unproven misleading info saying that in actual FACT you can skip breakfast......


I think those people that made such sweeping statements and misleading the OP should admit that is not clear cut home and dry as they made out......



Once again, the difference is I NEVER SAID TO THE OP THAT YOU MUST HAVE BREAKFAST YET OTHERS SAID CATAGORICALLY THAT IT IS FINE TO DO SO......which is misleading

Why is it not ok to skip breakfast?

rubadub

tupac_healy wrote: »

What gets me about this thread is a lot of you were quick to ridicule me when I 'apparently' (never actually did day) that you HAVE to eat breakfast, got slammed for that..

Who said that you apparently said it?

This was the strong point you made which people would have been responding to

tupac_healy wrote: »

skipping breakfast as part if a healthy diet is one of the biggest mistakes you can make.

And you can no longer say the following

tupac_healy wrote: »

Everyone ive talked to (a lot!!!!) Has told me that skipping breakfast is a terrible idea, worked for me!!!!

thegreatiam

tupac_healy wrote: »

What gets me about this thread is a lot of you were quick to ridicule me when I 'apparently' (never actually did day) that you HAVE to eat breakfast, got slammed for that....

Er...who ridiculed you? Im sorry you feel this way but you're in your own head there.

tupac_healy wrote: »

Yet those giving me crap are sprouting untruths like its grand to skip breakfast no bother..... I presented an OPINION that it is not as clear cut as all that. I never said to the OP that YOU MUST EAT BREAKFAST but people did actually give direct unproven misleading info saying that in actual FACT you can skip breakfast......

Noone is giving you crap.
And noone is spouting untruths, there has been anecdotal evidance that people are fine from skipping breakfast and then paddywiggum posted a link to a study showing it has no ill effects.

tupac_healy wrote: »

I think those people that made such sweeping statements and misleading the OP should admit that is not clear cut home and dry as they made out......

posting a statement like "if you want to skip b.fast then you can it's fine" is not a sweeping statement, providing proof of a study to back it up is not misleading neithe ris being living proof that skipping b.fast has no ill effect.
statign things like

Everyone ive talked to (a lot!!!!) Has told me that skipping breakfast is a terrible idea, worked for me!!!!

" is missleading.

tupac_healy wrote: »

Once again, the difference is I NEVER SAID TO THE OP THAT YOU MUST HAVE BREAKFAST YET OTHERS SAID CATAGORICALLY THAT IT IS FINE TO DO SO......which is misleading

Er yes you did. You might not have said those exact words, but your intention is clear:

tupac_healy wrote: »

Ok I'm NOT an expert on this, but I have been reliably informed that skipping breakfast as part if a healthy diet is one of the biggest mistakes you can make.

tupac_healy wrote: »

Everyone ive talked to (a lot!!!!) Has told me that skipping breakfast is a terrible idea, worked for me!!!!

tupac_healy wrote: »

Which is exactly the point I'm DISAGREEING with!!! Ha ha!!!

I've presented an option, I can't make the OP do it???

[/QUOTE]
Yes, well done, you have an opinion. like most people do. Now either come up with a different stick to shake or get used to the fact that you cant force someone to eat breakfast.

Cale

tupac_healy wrote: »

What gets me about this thread is a lot of you were quick to ridicule me when I 'apparently' (never actually did day) that you HAVE to eat breakfast, got slammed for that....

Yet those giving me crap are sprouting untruths like its grand to skip breakfast no bother..... I presented an OPINION that it is not as clear cut as all that. I never said to the OP that YOU MUST EAT BREAKFAST but people did actually give direct unproven misleading info saying that in actual FACT you can skip breakfast......


I think those people that made such sweeping statements and misleading the OP should admit that is not clear cut home and dry as they made out......



Once again, the difference is I NEVER SAID TO THE OP THAT YOU MUST HAVE BREAKFAST YET OTHERS SAID CATAGORICALLY THAT IT IS FINE TO DO SO......which is misleading

You sound rather touchy. You must've skipped breakfast this morning. Tut tut.

tupac_healy

rubadub wrote: »

Who said that you apparently said it?

This was the strong point you made which people would have been responding to


And you can no longer say the following

Maybe re-read the thread, it's been mentioned numerous times that I'm 'forcing' someone to eat bereakfast... For Christ sake its mentioned on this page!!!!!!


Good job on picking out HALF A QUOTE!!!!!! Nice


You say I can no longer say the following..... Yet I said that and did not say it ever again? At the time it was true but BLOODY OBVIOUSLY going through the tread I've read contrary arguments hence rendering that statement useless as a point of argument????? Strange to bring that up.......

tupac_healy

Cale wrote: »

You sound rather touchy. You must've skipped breakfast this morning. Tut tut.

No had it......

runawaybishop

Why is it not ok to skip breakfast?

tupac_healy

thegreatiam wrote: »

Er...who ridiculed you? Im sorry you feel this way but you're in your own head there.

Noone is giving you crap.
And noone is spouting untruths, there has been anecdotal evidance that people are fine from skipping breakfast and then paddywiggum posted a link to a study showing it has no ill effects.

posting a statement like "if you want to skip b.fast then you can it's fine" is not a sweeping statement, providing proof of a study to back it up is not misleading neithe ris being living proof that skipping b.fast has no ill effect.
statign things like
" is missleading.

Er yes you did. You might not have said those exact words, but your intention is clear:

Yes, well done, you have an opinion. like most people do. Now either come up with a different stick to shake or get used to the fact that you cant force someone to eat breakfast.[/QUOTE]



Way too much to go through there, to be fair I'm done with this thread. It all boils down to people here have told the OP to skip breakfast, it's fine....


That's a false statement, you don't know how that will affect the OP. I'm not forcing anyone to eat anything, not advising them anything....


The ONLY thi ng I did was pass on advice I've heard, simple as. If people want to read more into what I've said, grand, twist words and make half quotes, grand.....


Hope the OP gets the right outcome out of all of this....


Laters thread

thegreatiam

tupac_healy wrote: »

Way too much to go through there, to be fair I'm done with this thread. It all boils down to people here have told the OP to skip breakfast, it's fine....


That's a false statement, you don't know how that will affect the OP. I'm not forcing anyone to eat anything, not advising them anything....

except they must eat breakfast, because thats what you do

tupac_healy wrote: »

The ONLY thi ng I did was pass on advice I've heard, simple as.

Thats what we did too. except we also showed a study to back up our life long anecdotal evidence

tupac_healy wrote: »

Hope the OP gets the right outcome out of all of this....

The OP doesn't like to eat breakfast because they don't feel hungry in the morning.
They have been told that this is an acceptable lifestyle choice with no ill effects. And there is no need to choke down breakfast if they don't want to

tupac_healy wrote: »

Laters thread

Bye Mr Kellogg. I am glad to have played my part in preventing your breakfast agenda

rubadub

tupac_healy wrote: »

people here have told the OP to skip breakfast,

No they didn't, they said it is OK to.

By far, the strongest opinion on this thread was this.

tupac_healy wrote: »

I have been reliably informed that skipping breakfast as part if a healthy diet is one of the biggest mistakes you can make.

tupac_healy wrote: »

I'm not forcing anyone to eat anything, not advising them anything....

I would have considered the previous quote to be advice.

noodler

I'd be very much in the breakfast camp.

My body has been fasting for at least 8 hours.

I have stuff to do in the morning and won't get another chance to eat until lunchtime.

I am not going to let the fact I occasionally don't feel that hungry at 7:30am stop me from taking a chance at eating a reasonable meal when lunch is hours away.

Cale

noodler wrote: »

I'd be very much in the breakfast camp.

My body has been fasting for at least 8 hours.

I have stuff to do in the morning and won't get another chance to eat until lunchtime.

I am not going to let the fact I occasionally don't feel that hungry at 7:30am stop me from taking a chance at eating a reasonable meal when lunch is hours away.

You're missing the point.