Live Bilderberg festival

Daithi 1

Just came across this, thought some people might be interested in it. Icke and Jones and other trying to shine a light on the Bilderberg meeting.


http://www.davidicke.com/bilderberg/

endacl

There's also this.

http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/meeting_2013.html

Worst secret global elitist plot. Ever.

Daithi 1

Yup, there is that..

DarkDusk

Taken from link above, with my comments:

The key topics for discussion this year include:
• Can the US and Europe grow faster and create jobs? - No
• Jobs, entitlement and debt - Debt? Increasing it for people and countries alike exponentially to rob them of their freedom?
• How big data is changing almost everything - Yes, in the way in which big data has every bit of information about you. "Data" should be replaced with "brother", but they're too afraid to say that.
• Nationalism and populism - There's very little left of that...
• US foreign policy - Really? Where do I start?
• Africa’s challenges - Dealing with Western Allies interested in their natural resources.
• Cyber warfare and the proliferation of asymmetric threats - Spreading propaganda about China's hacker warriors?
• Major trends in medical research - thinking up other ways to poison us other than vaccines?
• Online education: promise and impacts - Oh, it's gonna be so much better than what we have now, is it?
• Politics of the European Union - Again, where do I start?
• Developments in the Middle East - Iran, and why we should fear them, and not the US, even though they haven't started a war in hundreds of years...
• Current affairs - load of boll0x, everything that makes them more wealthy and the poor poorer.

If you actually believe that their agenda is this nice fluffy stuff, then why has this organisation been secret for decades without any mention of it in the mainstream media?

faustino1

Does anyone have a list of topics for previous years?
Sure I found list before but can't locate it online now.

DarkDusk

faustino1 wrote: »

Does anyone have a list of topics for previous years?
Sure I found list before but can't locate it online now.

I heard this was the first year they gave this much detail because they've been exposed so much in independent media and the like...

endacl

DarkDusk wrote: »

If you actually believe that their agenda is this nice fluffy stuff, then why has this organisation been secret for decades without any mention of it in the mainstream media?

Ah go on now. I've been reading about them for years.

It is an elite group. I'll never be a member of the club. Lots of golf clubs would be the same. I'd imagine there are a lot of noddy and winky type conversations and cozy arrangements there. Same as the golf clubs. That's human nature. It's never been 'secret' though. Mainstream media? That's where I've been reading about them for years.

I usually take the proverbial on these threads, and readily admit it. Convince me. I'm open to the conversation. Avoid the Ickes et al though. Bonkers. And Alex Jones. Too shouty. Show me something solid.

Mind open and at the ready.

Oh, and just to pre-empt accusations of ignoring posters, one or two here are on my extremely short ignore list. So, if I don't respond, its because I didn't see the post. Not out of rudeness.

faustino1

There were some leaks of past meetings but nobody could really verify the integrity of them.

Kenneth Clarke said 10 years ago in a letter to someone.

"The whole point of the meetings is that they are informal and relaxed exchanges of views between politicians and businessmen, who can talk to each other without being on the record or reported publicly."

Well, I suppose it would be unreasonable to demand what was being discussed and how it would affect government policy.

Just shows you democracy is a cruel hoax.

faustino1

endacl wrote:

I usually take the proverbial on these threads, and readily admit it. Convince me. I'm open to the conversation. Avoid the Ickes et al though. Bonkers. And Alex Jones. Too shouty. Show me something solid.

It's bit hard to show you evidence when the organization itself has been secret for best part of 60 years.

The very fact these meetings aren't open to public scrutiny makes me highly suspicious.

It would seem a logical assumption these meetings are in the interests of business and the financial sector rather than the public at large.

I find the list of topics fairly ridiculing.

endacl

faustino1 wrote: »

It's bit hard to show you evidence when the organization itself has been secret for best part of 60 years.

The very fact these meetings aren't open to public scrutiny makes me highly suspicious.

It would seem a logical assumption these meetings are in the interests of business and the financial sector rather than the public at large.

I find the list of topics fairly ridiculing.

Nothing solid then? Another way of interpreting the secrecy is as privacy. Privacy is their right. Now, I'm not saying for an instant that I approve of business and politicians meeting in secret. What I'm saying is that I've no problem with them meeting in private. T'was always thus, and ever thus will be. The fact that these meetings aren't open to public scrutiny doesn't make me suspicious at all. That they are in the interests of business and finance is one interpretation, but it doesn't necessarily follow that these interests are nefarious. Birds of a feather and all that.

Could it be a possibility that the government/financial complex is an emergent property of how our societies are organized, rather than an evil conspiracy? Just as damaging. Just as uncaring about the individual, and about anything not ultimately driven by the bottom line? Something unhealthy, but not sinister.

faustino1

endacl wrote: »

Nothing solid then? Another way of interpreting the secrecy is as privacy. Privacy is their right. Now, I'm not saying for an instant that I approve of business and politicians meeting in secret. What I'm saying is that I've no problem with them meeting in private. T'was always thus, and ever thus will be. The fact that these meetings aren't open to public scrutiny doesn't make me suspicious at all. That they are in the interests of business and finance is one interpretation, but it doesn't necessarily follow that these interests are nefarious. Birds of a feather and all that.

Yes, it's my own interpretation and your statements above are clearly yours unless you have something solid?

Could it be a possibility that the government/financial complex is an emergent property of how our societies are organized, rather than an evil conspiracy? Just as damaging. Just as uncaring about the individual, and about anything not ultimately driven by the bottom line? Something unhealthy, but not sinister.

It's my own opinion, our world is organized and structured to benefit the most wealthy people on the planet who are invariably a minority and always have been.

So it's not beyond the scope of reason to assume these secretive meetings are intended to benefit this minority...to increase their wealth and power over the majority of this planet even further.

Of course you don't want public to overhear what you're discussing.
If you were part of a criminal syndicate, you wouldn't want anyone to know what you were discussing either.

If you're happy with a system dominated by business and financial interests, as I interpret it to be.

Fine, live your life and forget about discussing these topics.
As you say, T'was always this way and unlikely to change.

Daithi 1

I like this guy "Morris", i'm not sure who he is exactly, I'm just feeling his vibe right now, not that I agree with everything he say's. Nice calm sensible demenour, gets you thinking in other ways.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsKGC8Pt_XY

rick santorums gimp

Of the Corporations, by the Corporations, for the Corporations. Nothing sinister there at all eh enda?

Except if you're born in the wrong country that is - stuck in a sweatshop or down a mine or in a field working 16 hours a day to make just enough to feed yourself and your family..

That's what Bilderberg represent. Keeping the status quo.

Daithi 1

"Africa's Challenges" :pac:

Is this the first year they have spoken about Africa's challenges ?

You would think that if they discussed it over the past 60 years it would have been solved by now, considering they are the wealthiest and most powerful people in the world. So they must not have thought to discuss that matter before.

DarkDusk

Daithi 1 wrote: »

"Africa's Challenges" :pac:

Is this the first year they have spoken about Africa's challenges ?

You would think that if they discussed it over the past 60 years it would have been solved by now, considering they are the wealthiest and most powerful people in the world. So they must not have thought to discuss that matter before.

Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous to say the least...

Wacker The Attacker

I heard a clip regarding the bilderberg meeting on friday evening on Radio 4 and it came across as a real hatchet job.

Sacksian

Alex Jones on the BBC Sunday Politics show (video):

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22832994

Reg'stoy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pdWAcK6Eh8

endacl

Sacksian wrote: »

Alex Jones on the BBC Sunday Politics show (video):

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22832994

Funny funny funny funny angry funny man. At over five minutes though, a little much. I can only take Alex in teeny tiny doses. Otherwise my bullsh1t alarm implodes and has to be reset.

DarkDusk

endacl wrote: »

Funny funny funny funny angry funny man. At over five minutes though, a little much. I can only take Alex in teeny tiny doses. Otherwise my bullsh1t alarm implodes and has to be reset.

Yes, I was laughing my as.s off by the end of it... INFO WARS DOT COM! INFO WARS DOT COM! INFO WARS DOT COM!

He was very subtle with the advertising I must say. :P

Treora

smart, to put up more details on the site, but not in a sophisicated way.

I remember one of the last episodes of the west wing where the republican candidate did an open question call to journalists about a scandal that could have derailed his campaign. He answered all questions until they got tired and when home.

This is the same thing. However it is a big win for democratic ideals of investigative journalism in the face of oppressive secrecy. I guess now that PRISM is out of the bag BB seems small fry.

The only useful win is the attendence confirmation and we can be certain that a few crucial names are off the list. However it allows two damaging things. One, they can still make hidden debate with public representatives on matters that will be legislated in the near future. Two, they trivialise the investigators making them appear beneath the publics' worth and so pushing them back onto blogs, forum and away from main stream media.

The failure here is that BB are getting closer faster to what they want as a growing population continuously increases the speed of growth in complex system development. This means that it is more difficult to see systems and thus change them b tyhe general public. It also makes it easier for a few or one to control everything.

The solution is to use the feedback loop of transparency and public response (yes we know they will never use it). Rather than socially and philosophically educating everyone they do the opposite hoping that repeated systems failures will magically be fixed, weather/energy/finance/belief. It is like driving a car and someone removing the fuel gauge and then driving over rough ground. Sooner than later you will hit a rock and spring an oil leak and then your car will be dead or, if in a hot desert, on fire.