Suspected rapist buried alive with alleged victim !!

Mr McBoatface

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A suspected rapist and murderer has been buried alive in the grave of his alleged victim by enraged villagers, according to reports.

Santos Ramos, 17, had been identified by Bolivian police as a possible culprit in the death of 35-year-old Leandra Arias Janco.

More than 200 residents took the law into their own hands, reportedly seizing the teenager during the woman's funeral earlier this week and burying him alongside his victim.

The villagers in Colquechaca, in the Potosi district of Bolivia's southern highlands, then blocked a road to prevent police and prosecutors from reaching the area, according to an official.

A witness who would not be named said Ramos was tied up before being thrown into the open grave, which was then filled with earth.

Lets be clear, he wasn't found guilty of anything........ he was murdered.

But IMO - IF he was proven guilty, I wouldn't have a problem with killing him......but burying him alive beside the victim seems ……well a little disrespectful to the victim.

So what does AH think ?

IM0

lol - but at the same time fuokin hell, he was only SUSPECTED

kneemos

Mob rule brings out the very worst in human nature.

Peregrine

Sometimes people don't listen to the fact that the're only suspected victims. He could have been wrongly accused for all they knew.


If he was guilty, chuck him in a different grave. I have no problem with that.

JD DABA

And the next week theres irrefutable evidence that it was this other guy.

oops.

Talib Fiasco

How anyone could have the gut or the sanity to bury someone alive is beyond me. It's far worse than shooting or stabbing someone to death imo. And the fact he was never proven guilty or otherwise is disgusting. If he did do it then in fairness he doesn't deserve anything else but burying alive is a step too far.

Seachmall

If it turns out to be a different person will 40,000 others bury the 200 in the same grave?

And if those 40,000 get the wrong 200 80% of Bolivia's population will end up in that grave.

Doesn't seem like an efficient method of punishing people imo.

conor2469

kneemos wrote: »

Mob rule brings out the very worst in human nature.

He was also accused of throwing a ball out in front of a van and a little dog ran out after it and got run over.

Amirani

Disgusting behaviour from the mob. They're no better than the perpetrator and should all be prosecuted for murder.

kneemos

conor2469 wrote: »

He was also accused of throwing a ball out in front of a van and a little dog ran out after it and got run over.

The local villagers are accused of burying someone alive.

Hownowcow

Colquechaca, is a small town in the mountains of Bolivia. Most of it's population are indigenous groups. I suspect their idea of justice does not match what is generally accepted as such here.

seamus

"Innocent until proven guilty" is something which runs contrary to human nature really.

In evolutionary terms, it makes more sense for us to be wary/scared of someone who appears to be a danger, rather than give them the benefit of the doubt.

That is, in pure survival terms shunning someone who has been suspected of a transgression outweighs the downside of getting that wrong.

This is why accusations are so powerful and dangerous, especially in relation to violent and sexual crimes - because once the seed is sown, we have difficulty getting it out of our head - "No smoke without fire", etc. And exactly why false accusations should be treated as being nearly as serious as the crime itself.

conor2469

kneemos wrote: »

The local villagers are accused of burying someone alive.

My god you're right!

stefan idiot jones

I have never been 'accused' of rape.

99.9% of the time the locals get the right culprit.

Amirani

stefan idiot jones wrote: »

I have never been 'accused' of rape.

99.9% of the time the locals get the right culprit.

What's this estimation based on?

Regardless of whether they got the right culprit of not, it still doesn't make what they did fair or reasonable.

stefan idiot jones

NiallSparky wrote: »

What's this estimation based on?

Regardless of whether they got the right culprit of not, it still doesn't make what they did fair or reasonable.

Local knowledge.

I don't necessarily agree with certain punishments although like the prevoius poster said, certain cultures deal with certain crimes their own way.


The Pirelli necklace is a favourite of mine.

vicwatson

Link to story can not be found (a bit like the suspect in this case I gather)

Another good reason not to identify suspects before a trial, I suppose
As much as I want stronger justice in rape cases, even if he were found guilty, death penalty is just not on

TheLastMohican

vicwatson wrote: »

Link to story can not be found (a bit like the suspect in this case I gather)

Oh yes it can!

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/suspected-murderer-buried-alive-29326757.html

Must try harder Watson.
Love and kisses,
Sherlock

bacon n eggs

wow, all I can think of is my own 17year old how I would feel if it were him buried alive and I feel suffocated.

ColeTrain

Resident Evil 4 style village from the sounds of it.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/42/Resident_Evil_4_Ganado_village.png

were they holding pitchforks ?

IM0

Hownowcow wrote: »

Colquechaca, is a small town in the mountains of Bolivia. Most of it's population are indigenous groups. I suspect their idea of justice does not match what is generally accepted as such here.

ah ok that explains it so. *turns to rest of thread* "right people put down the pitch forks, were dealing with savages here, not 'civilised' people"

*walks away with said pitchfork in hand*

desodon

I have grave concerns that the young lad could have been innocent.

Festy

desodon wrote: »

I have grave concerns that the young lad could have been innocent.

I see what you did there.

nucker

This is the problem with vigilante mobs, they tend to accuse someone on a basis of a rumour or a wrongful accusation, they tend to not want to listen to anyone before its too late

kunst nugget

Nimrod 7 wrote: »

Sometimes people don't listen to the fact that the're only suspected victims. He could have been wrongly accused for all they knew.

Yes, she could have been pretending she was dead…

muppetkiller

I wonder in a few days time will they dig it up again and bury him somewhere else.
Going to your daughters/wife/sisters grave and thinking that the killer (Suspected) was in there too is a bit weird ?

dark crystal

I wonder what the crime rate is like in that region. Being burned or buried alive would seem like a pretty good deterrent to me...

Amirani

dark crystal wrote: »

I wonder what the crime rate is like in that region. Being burned or buried alive would seem like a pretty good deterrent to me...

Criminals don't generally think like that.

Kold

stefan idiot jones wrote: »

I have never been 'accused' of rape.

99.9% of the time the locals get the right culprit.

I have been twice. Not directly but twice I've been the man to take a woman home when they've been a f*cking state and afterwards been asked if I'd had sex with them the next day. A simple no has been enough but it's extremely upsetting that they even had that thought after I've gone out of my way to make them safe.

Femme_Fatale

NiallSparky wrote: »

What's this estimation based on?

Any stat of 90 or more per cent... is nearly always a guess.

cletus van damme

Hownowcow wrote: »

Colquechaca, is a small town in the mountains of Bolivia. Most of it's population are indigenous groups. I suspect their idea of justice does not match what is generally accepted as such here.

being critcial of foreigners and their ways
not very multicultural AH .....racists the lot of you:pac:

Absoluvely

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Any stat of 90 or more per cent... is nearly always a guess.

94% of stats over 90 per cent, to be precise.

premierstone

stefan idiot jones wrote: »

I have never been 'accused' of rape.

99.9% of the time the locals get the right culprit.

Is this your way of confessing to .1% of rapes in your locality???

CavanGal

bluewolf wrote: »

Another good reason not to identify suspects before a trial, I suppose
As much as I want stronger justice in rape cases, even if he were found guilty, death penalty is just not on

Wasn't the victim raped and murdered?

KeithTS

Off the topic here, in the article they link the word Earth and it brings you to the musicians profile....

Anyway, burying folk alive is wrong, down with that sort of thing!

Paddy Cow

TheLastMohican wrote: »

Oh yes it can!

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/suspected-murderer-buried-alive-29326757.html

Must try harder Watson.
Love and kisses,
Sherlock

Also in the article

Also on Wednesday in Potosi, residents of the Quechua indigenous community of Tres Cruces stoned to death a suspected thief and burned his accomplice alive, Mr Barrios said. The official said the two had earlier robbed a car and killed its driver.


Lynchings sometimes occur in rural and poor parts of Bolivia where police and other authorities are scarce.

They don't mess around when they've decided someone is guilty :eek:

Amirani

CavanGal wrote: »

Wasn't the victim raped and murdered?

One of the victims was raped and murdered. The other was just murdered, presumably in a much more horrible way.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Chilling the way they blockaded the graveyard to prevent the police and prosecutor from entering to stop their madness.

They really should have got him into protective custody if they had an inkling of potential mob justice unfolding.

seamus

dark crystal wrote: »

I wonder what the crime rate is like in that region. Being burned or buried alive would seem like a pretty good deterrent to me...

Death is not a deterrent, bizarrely.

People who commit violent crimes do so under the assumption that they won't be caught. The typical risk/reward psychology doesn't really apply. So increasing the punishment basically does nothing to discourage them.

not yet

stefan idiot jones wrote: »

I have never been 'accused' of rape.

99.9% of the time the locals get the right culprit.

True..Better to be safe then sorry.

Grand Moff Tarkin

He won't do that again.

Son Of A Vidic

It wouldn't surprise me if one of the guys who buried the suspect alive, was the real perpetrator of the crime.

Femme_Fatale

Grand Moff Tarkin wrote: »

He won't do that again.

Do what?

Revolting story. No one deserves that fate, even if he was guilty.

Meanwhile we get to listen to backpackers telling us how 'real' and 'pure' these tribes are. Seems like the work of savages tbh.

Piliger

jobyrne30 wrote: »

But IMO - IF he was proven guilty, I wouldn't have a problem with killing him......but burying him alive beside the victim seems ……well a little disrespectful to the victim.

So what does AH think ?

A man who murdered his child in Ireland earlier this year or late last year had the poor child buried with him, his murderer. It made me sick. When I posted about it here I was modded and discussion ended. Just saying ..

kneemos

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

It wouldn't surprise me if one of the guys who buried the suspect alive, was the real perpetrator of the crime.

Could it have been the village idiot or some poor social outcast that they picked on?

DaveDaRave

any now they are together for eternity, how sweet.

Kolido

KeithTS wrote: »

Off the topic here, in the article they link the word Earth and it brings you to the musicians profile....

Anyway, burying folk alive is wrong, down with that sort of thing!

Doesn't that mean you agree with it?

Grand Moff Tarkin

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Do what?

Rape.