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Teen spared jail despite refusing to apologise

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    "At one stage the teenager, who pleaded guilty, had been told that he risked being detained unless he showed remorse for his crime."

    I'm more annoyed that the judge decided criteria for handing out custodial sentences or not is a feigned apology.


    Well, I guess he actually wasn't going to hand out a custodial sentence at all and just got called on his bluff. Fantastic job there Mr. O' Conner.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,644 ✭✭✭SHOVELLER


    Sad thing is in about 5 years time he will be dead or doing life for murder.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,810 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    Unbelievable!
    Sounds like a right little bollox.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 381 ✭✭Gorilla Rising


    Sterilize him!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 305 ✭✭Kichote


    Great. Another scum thread. Just what we need


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    I hope he ends up owing lots of money to a nutjob drug dealer. Drug dealers carry out more justice than the judges now a days.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,654 ✭✭✭TheBody


    It's a real shame for him to waste his life like this. He is only a young man and is already in trouble with the law. I imagine that the chances of him ever contributing anything to society are slim to none.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,296 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Sounds like he's got a Screw Loose(tm) mentally speaking. The lack of empathy for a start, a bit psychopathic. He needs careful monitoring and hopefully gets psychological help, being that he's only 14.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,380 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Sounds like he's got a Screw Loose(tm) mentally speaking. The lack of empathy for a start, a bit psychopathic. He needs careful monitoring and hopefully gets psychological help, being that he's only 14.

    Not caring about the affects of his actions doesn't have to mean he is psychopathic. He could simply feel no need to empathise over this charge, as stated in an article I read in the Metro, he doesn't regret doing it. He doesn't see the value of remorse for the crime he committed and he's challenged the Judge's decision to use it as a determining factor in whether or not he gets detained.

    He's basically said, remorse and empathy are for actions he had no intention of partaking.


  • Posts: 5,780 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I think the judge is trying to save the kids from going into a life of crime. If he goes to prision, he is then creating a life long criminal as he will be mixing with, lets say "not the best role models"

    The only chance this kid has is being out around normal people. Even at that chances are this kid will commit a crime again.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,630 ✭✭✭folan


    whats surprising here, that irish judges hand out small sentences for crimes, or that 14 year olds dont see the issue with robbing people?

    seems to be a lot to be said for ignoring the rules.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 538 ✭✭✭conor2469


    SHOVELLER wrote: »
    Sad thing is in about 5 years time he will be dead or doing life for murder.

    Dead, hopefully.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    “I am not apologising, I done it, I am not sorry for it.”
    O.K. ya little kunt, that's the maximun sentence for you then.
    Judge O'Connor said the teenager was trying to use his refusal to apologise for his crime as a “badge of honour”.
    Badge of honour? Send him to prison and let him come out with a 'badge of honour' - a wrecked rectum might leave him with something to remember.
    It is hoped that youth workers, at his care accommodation, will help him see how his actions has affects others, the court heard.
    Horse shít, some slammer time would give him an idea of what his criminality means.
    His solicitor Gareth Noble said that the boy has complex welfare issues
    Which is the PC way of saying he's a little scumbag bástard.
    There is to be a team of care workers involved with the boy and it was hoped their efforts might help him understand the impact his behaviour has on others, the solicitor said.
    So bascially a team of bullshít artists.
    Earlier, the court heard that a welfare report showed the boy, who has no prior criminal convictions, had little insight into how his offending affected people.
    Of course not, but prison time would certainly give him that 'insight'.

    That was “very worrying”, Judge O'Connor had said.
    It's very worrying the balless idiots like this, are letting scumbags walk everyday.

    He had also said he had huge concerns about the safety of others
    Really? Then lock the wee bástard up you idiot!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,019 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    I think the judge is trying to save the kids from going into a life of crime. If he goes to prision, he is then creating a life long criminal as he will be mixing with, lets say "not the best role models"

    The only chance this kid has is being out around normal people. Even at that chances are this kid will commit a crime again.

    I can guarantee the people he hangs around with are far from normal. He'll re-offend, make no bones about it. The next judge will get the "ah sure he's from a troubled /disadvantaged background and he is working on his issues". Unfortunately his next victim will be left counting the cost of this little pricks actions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,008 ✭✭✭not yet


    O.K. ya little kunt, that's the maximun sentence for you then.

    Badge of honour? Send him to prison and let him come out with a 'badge of honour' - a wrecked rectum might leave him with something to remember.

    Horse shít, some slammer time would give him an idea of what his criminality means.

    Which is the PC way of saying he's a little scumbag bástard.

    So bascially a team of bullshít artists.

    Of course not, but prison time would certainly give him that 'insight'.


    It's very worrying the balless idiots like this, are letting scumbags walk everyday.


    Really? Then lock the wee bástard up you idiot!

    I see understanding and empathy are not your strong points...

    He is 14 FFS how can you write him off at that age.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 862 ✭✭✭Grand Moff Tarkin


    A good few slaps of a hurley to teach the little s**t some manners is what he needs. Expect to see him rack up a string of convictions from here on in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,204 ✭✭✭dodderangler


    SHOVELLER wrote: »
    Sad thing is in about 5 years time he will be dead or doing life for murder.

    Sure life is only 8 years in Ireland lately maybe less


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,199 ✭✭✭twinQuins


    O.K. ya little kunt, that's the maximun sentence for you then.

    Badge of honour? Send him to prison and let him come out with a 'badge of honour' - a wrecked rectum might leave him with something to remember. [...]

    You have to wonder at the kind of person who wants to see a fourteen year old anally raped.

    More than a little creepy, tbh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    not yet wrote: »

    He is 14 FFS how can you write him off at that age.

    Nothing is ever guaranteed but some kids are unfortunately lost causes by that age.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,798 ✭✭✭goose2005


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Sounds like he's got a Screw Loose(tm) mentally speaking. The lack of empathy for a start, a bit psychopathic. He needs careful monitoring and hopefully gets psychological help, being that he's only 14.
    Hardly psychopathic, just unwilling to grovel to an authority figure.
    His solicitor Gareth Noble said that the boy has complex welfare issues and had continued to engage in “risk taking behaviour”, however the teen did not meet the criteria for being held in a secure care facility.
    i.e. there's no money for it, so we'll just let him deteriorate further.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    goose2005 wrote: »
    Hardly psychopathic, just unwilling to grovel to an authority figure.

    He wasn't asked to grovel, he was asked to apologise to someone he wronged by breaking into their house and stealing from them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,716 ✭✭✭LittleBook


    he spared the boy a custodial sentence and bound him to the peace to be of good behaviour for six months.

    If the youngster breaks that condition he can be brought to the court which could then result in a tougher sentence.

    Like being bound to the peace for 8 months? :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,058 ✭✭✭Uriel.


    SHOVELLER wrote: »
    Sad thing is in about 5 years time he will be dead or doing life for murder.

    Hopefully the first.

    or perhaps the second if the "victim" was another scumbag


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    We got another good judge on the books here folks.

    Prison places are needed for those criminals not paying road tax or tv license money.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭who the fug


    Uriel. wrote: »
    Hopefully the first.

    or perhaps the second if the "victim" was another scumbag

    Or he might wake up and go on to do exceedingly well in life without resorting to crime


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭.jacksparrow.


    Fresh from his free legal aid, he is back out claiming his 200 a week from us mugs.

    Stop his benefits altogether the little balox.

    Edit, just seen he is 14! But ya get my drift....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    I wonder at what point in the future this kid's welfare issues will stop trumping ordinary citizen's right not to live in fear of him?

    I believe in the state providing help and rehabilitation where possible.
    However i also believe in safety and justice.

    As a wise man once said, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,058 ✭✭✭Uriel.


    Or he might wake up and go on to do exceedingly well in life without resorting to crime

    he might, but I seriously doubt - either way it would be win win for society.

    Dead, jailed for killing other scum or reformed within 5 years. Any of them work for me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,868 ✭✭✭Andersonisgod


    The judge should have sent him to the wall to join the nights watch.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,994 ✭✭✭kravmaga


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Sounds like he's got a Screw Loose(tm) mentally speaking. The lack of empathy for a start, a bit psychopathic. He needs careful monitoring and hopefully gets psychological help, being that he's only 14.

    I dont care what age he is. The only help this skanger needs and will understand is a good olde fashioned pounding .:D

    Get him into the back of a van in the Dublin mountains...thats all these Skangers understand...:D


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