Very Basic Handicap Question

galwayjohn89

I am trying to get working on my handicap and play more competitions. I know for competitions the club take care of everything but I would like to see how my casual rounds would affect it.

I have a handicap of 22.

My understanding is the steps are:
1) Calculate adjusted score which is the total shots taken in every hole, however, the maximum number in any hole is par + 2. So if you take a 6 on par 3 you would just count 5.
However, if you have two shots on the hole, does that affect the shots in the adjusted score?

2) Subtract adjusted score from the SSS and then subtract handicap

3) If the score is better than buffer, subtract (shots * adjustment) from handicap If better add .1. If within the buffer it stays the same.

Is that correct?

D3PO

you cant really tell how your casual rounds would affect it because CSS isn't available. So you don't have a starting point for where deductions or calculation of your buffer would be.

ultimately just keep practicing hard and your handicap will look after itself.

timmo2000

as far as i no all scorecards have a sss for all tee boxs so he could use that for causal golf every shot under it could be seen as -.4

ignore post should have read the frist post a bit better lol

Unglika Norse

Vuzuggu wrote: »

I am trying to get working on my handicap and play more competitions. I know for competitions the club take care of everything but I would like to see how my casual rounds would affect it.

I have a handicap of 22.

My understanding is the steps are:
1) Calculate adjusted score which is the total shots taken in every hole, however, the maximum number in any hole is par + 2. So if you take a 6 on par 3 you would just count 5.
However, if you have two shots on the hole, does that affect the shots in the adjusted score?

2) Subtract adjusted score from the SSS and then subtract handicap

3) If the score is better than buffer, subtract (shots * adjustment) from handicap If better add .1. If within the buffer it stays the same.

Is that correct?

You would subtract your handicap and the SSS from your adjusted gross score.

For each stroke that you are better than the SSS this would mean a .4 reduction in your handicap until you reach 20 at which point the reduciotn would be .3 for each stroke

If you are within 4 strokes of thee SSS you would be in the buffer zone, again until you reach 20 when your buffer zone would reduce to three strokes.

Anything outside the buffer zone would merit a .1 back.

Just to reiterate this would apply only to shall we say a domestic handicap as all official cuts must be made either by using the CSS applied on the day of a competition or by a rule 19 adjustment carried out by your home club

spacecoyote

Just to point out, beating scratch in a casual round will in all likelihood not result in you getting a cut, you could submit the cards for general play review but there's no guarantee that you would be cut

GreeBo

if its just for yourself then you can work out your stableford score and compare that to the SSS

galwayjohn89

Think I'll do it just using the SSS. I know it has no impact on my playing handicap just for my own interest and to get proper understanding of how it works.

One last bit I'm confused about. I know the max score for adjusted score is par + 2 on each hole. Is that the case even if you have 2 shots on the hole?

spacecoyote

If you have 2 shots on a hole, treble-bogey will score you a point in stableford, as it gives you a net bogey

PARlance

Vuzuggu wrote: »

Think I'll do it just using the SSS. I know it has no impact on my playing handicap just for my own interest and to get proper understanding of how it works.

One last bit I'm confused about. I know the max score for adjusted score is par + 2 on each hole. Is that the case even if you have 2 shots on the hole?

I think you're getting slightly confused with the "3 cards for handicap" scenario for obtaining an initial handicap.

The +2 as being the worst possible score is used when looking at your 3 cards and getting your handicap in the first place.

Unlikely scenario below but just using to show how it works.

You could have a round of 90 (par 72) as one of your cards.
Some might think... ok, that's about a 16-17 Handicap there
However, the round of 90 could be made up of 17 pars (say 69 strokes) and the 21 strokes on the final Par 3...
The HC sec would discount this to a 5 (3+2)
So now the card of 90 is suddenly a 74 and you're possibly looking at a HC of +1,0,1

dharn

That final par 3 must be a killer

PARlance

dharn wrote: »

That final par 3 must be a killer

It's actually a relatively easy par 3... it's just that the golfer in the example had a stroke, one of his arms chopped off, and then a heart attack on the walk from the 17th

dharn

A fair play to him 21 wasnt a bad score so ,I had a 13 at our 3rd a par 3 that was that round fcuked !

Almaviva

ajcurry123 wrote: »

It's actually a relatively easy par 3... it's just that the golfer in the example had a stroke, one of his arms chopped off, and then a heart attack on the walk from the 17th

Nothing that dramatic. It was just Sergio Garcia.

GreeBo

ajcurry123 wrote: »

I think you're getting slightly confused with the "3 cards for handicap" scenario for obtaining an initial handicap.

Note that the clause 19 adjustment (no worse than nett double bogey) is used for all handicapping, not just determining initial handicap.

PARlance

GreeBo wrote: »

Note that the clause 19 adjustment (no worse than nett double bogey) is used for all handicapping, not just determining initial handicap.

Had never heard of that, when is this applicable? Only in stroke play comps I presume?

levitronix

ajcurry123 wrote: »

I think you're getting slightly confused with the "3 cards for handicap" scenario for obtaining an initial handicap.

The +2 as being the worst possible score is used when looking at your 3 cards and getting your handicap in the first place.

Unlikely scenario below but just using to show how it works.

You could have a round of 90 (par 72) as one of your cards.
Some might think... ok, that's about a 16-17 Handicap there
However, the round of 90 could be made up of 17 pars (say 69 strokes) and the 21 strokes on the final Par 3...
The HC sec would discount this to a 5 (3+2)
So now the card of 90 is suddenly a 74 and you're possibly looking at a HC of +1,0,1

but only the gui can give you a handicap lower than 5, your club cant do it

PARlance

levitronix wrote: »

but only the gui can give you a handicap lower than 5, your club cant do it

Ok, he only had a 12 on the Par 3

GreeBo

ajcurry123 wrote: »

Had never heard of that, when is this applicable? Only in stroke play comps I presume?

well stableford and v-par take care of themselves, so yep!
Check golf nett, you will see a "19" column, can often get you back into a buffer zone

bigtimecharlie

Hope I'm not hijacking this thread but...

What is the range of the buffer (4 for a 22 h/c) if the CSS is 36 points of 72 strokes?

If points, is the buffer score 35,36,37,38 or 34,35,36,37 or 36,37,38,39 or what?

Its the one part of the handicap system I can't put to bed.

OilBeefHooked2

bigtimecharlie wrote: »

Hope I'm not hijacking this thread but...

What is the range of the buffer (4 for a 22 h/c) if the CSS is 36 points of 72 strokes?

If points, is the buffer score 35,36,37,38 or 34,35,36,37 or 36,37,38,39 or what?

Its the one part of the handicap system I can't put to bed.

It's CSS minus 4, so in your example 32 pts or better is in the buffer zone, anything better that 36 is a cut.

blackwhite

ajcurry123 wrote: »

Had never heard of that, when is this applicable? Only in stroke play comps I presume?

I, unfortunately, have seen this adjustment on golfnet far too many times :pac:

OilBeefHooked2

blackwhite wrote: »

I, unfortunately, have seen this adjustment on golfnet far too many times :pac:

You make it sound like a bad thing.