Get outta my lane.

OldGoat

Now this makes sense to me. The excuse of "Sure I'm not breaking the law" won't work anymore. Hopefully this idea gets carried out here too. A few fines handed out might persuade more people to get back out of the overtaking lanes.

(UK)Drivers who hog motorway middle lanes, tailgate or cut up other cars will face £100 roadside fines and three penalty points under plans to be announced today.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/crime/article3782978.ece

Mint Sauce

In before mention of Slow/Fast lane.

drunkmonkey

It can't happen quick enough here, I find myself undertaking as much as overtaking these days.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

OldGoat wrote: »

Now this makes sense to me. The excuse of "Sure I'm not breaking the law" won't work anymore. Hopefully this idea gets carried out here too. A few fines handed out might persuade more people to get back out of the overtaking lanes.


http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/crime/article3782978.ece

Does this include people who stick to the speed limits?

FatherLen

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Does this include people who stick to the speed limits?

especially those people!

neonman

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Does this include people who stick to the speed limits?

Keep to the speed limit in the most left lane. Nothing worse than someone in the overtaking lane with nobody else in front of them sticking to the speed limit. Move over and let others pass by.

mathie

Best to just stick to the middle lane "just in case"

degsie

OldGoat wrote: »

Now this makes sense to me. The excuse of "Sure I'm not breaking the law" won't work anymore. Hopefully this idea gets carried out here too. A few fines handed out might persuade more people to get back out of the overtaking lanes.


http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/crime/article3782978.ece

No such thing as 'overtaking lanes'

nucker

It includes points on the licence not just a fine

Yessss! They should bring that in here

SEPT 23 1989

I bet those silly British police will actually enforce it too

Gmol

I always drive the speed limit in the fast lane, I don't see the need to pull into the slow lane even if there are no cars there

IM0

degsie wrote: »

No such thing as 'overtaking lanes'

there ARE in fact overtaking lanes :rolleyes:

the groutch

neonman wrote: »

Keep to the speed limit in the most left lane. Nothing worse than someone in the overtaking lane with nobody else in front of them sticking to the speed limit. Move over and let others pass by.

I don't even know where to start with a comment that stupid.

IM0

Gmol wrote: »

I always drive the speed limit in the fast lane, I don't see the need to pull into the slow lane even if there are no cars there

because youre in the over taking lane

K.Flyer

Gmol wrote: »

I always drive the speed limit in the fast lane, I don't see the need to pull into the slow lane even if there are no cars there

Spot the troll...

IM0

K.Flyer wrote: »

Spot the troll...

1/10 tbh

jjbrien

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It can't happen quick enough here, I find myself undertaking as much as overtaking these days.

Well undertaking is against the rules of the road and people who drive the speed limit are well within their rights to do so as they are not going to be breaking any law. Undertaking and speeding is a fast way to a fine and points on your license.

Mr. CooL ICE

In January, I spent a few days driving around both the towns and motorways in Italy. For a country who have such a bad reputation regarding road safety and general manners, their driving etiquette is something to be admired.

Nobody stays in the fast lane for a second longer than is necessary. Everybody in the slow lane (trucks, grannies, the whole lot) make room for any car that is merging from a slip road onto the motorway. These two things are extremely rare on Irish motorways and need to be addressed.

LordChessington

LordChessington wrote: »

These two things are extremely rare on Irish motorways and need to be addressed.

Fast and slow lanes? Yes, we don't have those

Mr. CooL ICE

jjbrien wrote: »

Well undertaking is against the rules of the road and people who drive the speed limit are well within their rights to do so as they are not going to be breaking any law. Undertaking and speeding is a fast way to a fine and points on your license.

The undertaking rule is flawed to begin with. In its simplest form, somebody could be a dick and drive at 50kph in the fast lane, forcing everything behind them to crawl behind them. Undertaking here is necessary.

IM0

jjbrien wrote: »

Well undertaking is against the rules of the road and people who drive the speed limit are well within their rights to do so as they are not going to be breaking any law. Undertaking and speeding is a fast way to a fine and points on your license.

as long as they are not in the overtaking lane

endacl

LordChessington wrote: »

The undertaking rule is flawed to begin with. In its simplest form, somebody could be a dick and drive at 50kph in the fast lane, forcing everything behind them to crawl behind them. Undertaking here is necessary.

Oh, I so want to agree with you. But you said 'fast lane', and therefore can't be taken seriously. I'll put the good point you appeared to make down to a fluke!

cournioni

To the Mercedes C200 driver hogging the overtaking lane (@ 100km/h) straight away after entering onto the M1 yesterday... Fcuk you.

K.Flyer

IM0 wrote: »

1/10 tbh

See them every single day without fail.

IM0

jjbrien wrote: »

Well undertaking is against the rules of the road and people who drive the speed limit are well within their rights to do so as they are not going to be breaking any law. Undertaking and speeding is a fast way to a fine and points on your license.

well they will be forcing countless drivers behind them to undertake them. which is better one road nazzi who thinks he/she is a cop or in doing so forcing countless cars to undertake them unsafely

its not their job to police the roads just follow the rules, get out of the overtaking lane. at the same time though speed limits shouldnt be taken the piss out of. the lane is there to overtake on, and to do this safely you need to be able to judge how fast something is coming up your outside so you can safely overtake the car in front of you [which is the whole reason for it being an over taking lane, its not a fast lane, and if youre going to use it like one, dont take the piss with the speed limit]

jjbrien

IM0 wrote: »

as long as they are not in the overtaking lane

Well i agree if there is nobody in the left lane going slower than them then they should be in that lane. Ireland has a real issue with bad driving in general and there is not enough traffic guards on the road to enforce the law even if this new law was to come in. Now if you were to head to Liverpool and go on the M62 you will see a lot of police on enforcing the law on the roads over there

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

neonman wrote: »

Keep to the speed limit in the most left lane. Nothing worse than someone in the overtaking lane with nobody else in front of them sticking to the speed limit. Move over and let others pass by.

Ok, not a driver here, but doesn't the speed limit apply to all lanes or am I missing something?

tommythecat

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Ok, not a driver here, but doesn't the speed limit apply to all lanes or am I missing something?

Yes but that's irrelevant as the overtaking lane is for "overtaking" not for continous driving. Do the speed limit in either of the other two lanes (depending on road) and you won't have people undertaking dangerously. It is not up to you to police the roads if someone wants to go faster than the speed limit.

OldGoat

jjbrien wrote: »

Well undertaking is against the rules of the road and people who drive the speed limit are well within their rights to do so as they are not going to be breaking any law. Undertaking and speeding is a fast way to a fine and points on your license.

Wrong. From the rules of the road...

You must progress at a speed and in a way that avoids interference with other motorway traffic.

Overtake only on the right, unless traffic is travelling in slow moving queues and the traffic queue on your right is travelling more slowly than you are.

Causing a bottleneck on the motorway is more likely to cause an accident then allowing speeding drivers past you. You are NOT an enforcement officer and you ARE breaking the rules of the road if you persist in driving in the outside lane(s) rather then using the "keep left" rule.

Lane 1
The normal 'keep left' rule applies. Stay in this lane unless you are overtaking.

Lane 2
On a two-lane motorway, use this for overtaking only and move back into lane 1 when you have finished. You may also use this lane to accommodate traffic merging from the left.
On a three-lane motorway, you may stay in this centre lane while there is slower moving traffic in lane 1.

Lane 3
If you are travelling on a three-lane motorway, you must use this lane only if traffic in lanes 1 and 2 is moving in queues and you need to overtake or accommodate merging traffic. Once you've finished overtaking, move back to your left and allow faster traffic coming from behind to pass by.

jjbrien wrote: »

Well i agree if there is nobody in the left lane going slower than them then they should be in that lane.

Yep, agreed. The sticking point is however that drivers in the overtaking lanes think that a gap of half a mile* is still too small for them to move back into and insist on keeping to the overtaking lanes till they pass 'the next car'. Then they see another car half a mile ahead and stay out in the overtaking lane till they get past it.

*exagerated for emphasis.

Seachmall

IM0 wrote: »

as long as they are not in the overtaking lane

Are you entitled to break the speed limit if you're overtaking or in the right lane?

Genuine question, it seems redundant to me to overtake someone who's driving at the limit only to have to revert to the limit after overtaking. I also don't see the point in enforcing a speed limit if you can bypass it by simply driving in a different lane.

Essentially if someone is driving at the limit they may be in the wrong to be in the overtaking lane but, from what I understand, they can only inconvenience you if you are going to break the rules of the road.

Which is a retarded argument. "Stop breaking the rules of the road, I wanna break them!".

Open to correction and clarification.

Zulu

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

.... or am I missing something?

Indeed you are. The speed limit is a different issue. The overtaking lane is for overtaking - NOT for assorted assholes and cunts who feel the need to police the speed limit themselves.

tommythecat

Seachmall wrote: »

Are you entitled to break the speed limit if you're overtaking or in the right lane?

Genuine question, it seems redundant to me to overtake someone who's driving at the limit only to have to revert to the limit after overtaking. I also don't see the point in enforcing a speed limit if you can bypass it by simply driving in a different lane.

No but neither are you entitled to continously drive in it. That is just as illegal.

Seachmall

tommythecat wrote: »

No but neither are you entitled to continously drive in it. That is just as illegal.

So people are angry that people are breaking the law because it impedes their ability to break the law?

I don't get people.

CruelCoin

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Does this include people who stick to the speed limits?

Are these the same people who stick in the outside lane at the limit, blocking everyone?

Zulu

Seachmall wrote: »

So people are angry that people are breaking the law because it impedes their ability to break the law?

I don't get people.

Nah, we're angry because people are being jerks and blocking us for no good reason*.


*a commonly cited reason for being a jerk is "we're driving at the speed limit; you can't speed it's illegal". People are simply pointing out that that's also illegal and stupid.

tommythecat

Seachmall wrote: »

So people are angry that people are breaking the law because it impedes their ability to break the law?

I don't get people.

Not at all. its usually pretty impossible for everyone to do the exact same speed anyway. sometimes someone might be doing 5k below the limit and you want to do the limit. But this person is driving in the overtaking lane for no reason.

CruelCoin

Gmol wrote: »

I always drive the speed limit in the fast lane, I don't see the need to pull into the slow lane even if there are no cars there

There is no fast/slow lane. It is an overtaking lane.

All you're doing is being an ass.

IM0

Seachmall wrote: »

So people are angry that people are breaking the law because it impedes their ability to break the law?

I don't get people.

read my posts Ive explained why, someone else has also linked to the actual rules of the road too after me [oldgoat]

Seachmall

Zulu wrote: »

Nah, we're angry because people are being jerks and blocking us for no good reason*.


*a commonly cited reason for being a jerk is "we're driving at the speed limit; you can't speed it's illegal". People are simply pointing out that that's also illegal and stupid.

I get that. But someone driving at the limit is only blocking people who are attempting to break the limit.

AH constantly whinges about people having unwarranted sense of entitlements. Now everyone is complaining that people breaking the law are wrong because they impede their ability to break the law.

It's both hilarious and absurd.

OldGoat

Seachmall wrote: »

Are you entitled to break the speed limit if you're overtaking or in the right lane?

Genuine question, it seems redundant to me to overtake someone who's driving at the limit only to have to revert to the limit after overtaking. I also don't see the point in enforcing a speed limit if you can bypass it by simply driving in a different lane.

No, not entitled to but there will be people who will be driving over the speed limit. You are causing a bottleneck. Getting out of their way is the safer option for you.
It's not up to you to control how others are driving but it is up to you to keep left.

If it were safe to drive as you suggest then I'm pretty sure the police would not be introducing the fines and points as mentioned in the OP.

CruelCoin

Seachmall wrote: »

So people are angry that people are breaking the law because it impedes their ability to break the law?

I don't get people.

Are you the police? Its not your duty, nor right to enforce the law.

If i wish to break the law, then that's my business. Its hardly right to break the law yourself to try stop me.

Seachmall

Seachmall wrote: »

I get that. But someone driving at the limit is only blocking people who are attempting to break the limit.

Or emergency services, people in their own cars in an emergency, etc.
You don't own the road. It doesn't matter who you're blocking, get out of the way and drive properly.
Breaking the law because you want to play at being a guard?

tommythecat

Seachmall wrote: »

I get that. But someone driving at the limit is only blocking people who are attempting to break the limit.

AH constantly whinges about people having unwarranted sense of entitlements. Now everyone is complaining that people breaking the law are wrong because they impede their ability to break the law.

It's both hilarious and absurd.

Forget for a minute about speed limits. This issue is exactly the same issue that happens with roundabouts. People have no idea what lane to be in taking a roundabout or how to indicate. This is about proper road usage. The issue of the speed limit is irelevant as it wouldn't even be an issue if people drove in the correct lane in the first place and not have this high an mighty idea of themselves as policers of the road.

Zulu

Seachmall wrote: »

I get that. But someone driving at the limit is only blocking people who are attempting to break the limit.

Of course you are working off the wholly incorrect assertion that all cars are equipped with completely accurate speedometers. Which is bollix.

Seachmall

OldGoat wrote: »

Getting out of their way is the safer option for you.

I'm don't disagree. In the moment it's definitely smarter and safer to let them be but the idea that it's wrong not because it's simply against the rules of the road but because it blocks other drivers who are also breaking the rules of the road just reeks of WTF.


For what it's worth I attempt to avoid being an ass on the roads regardless of who's right or wrong, but I just can't get over how people complain about others who are impeding on their ability to break the law.

Ush1

Seachmall wrote: »

I get that. But someone driving at the limit is only blocking people who are attempting to break the limit.

AH constantly whinges about people having unwarranted sense of entitlements. Now everyone is complaining that people breaking the law are wrong because they impede their ability to break the law.

It's both hilarious and absurd.

I think it's fine to be holding up people in the overtaking lane as long as you are travelling at a speed quicker than those in the lane to left of you. There is no stipulation there, but if you aren't overtaking you need to get out of that lane.

tommythecat

Seachmall wrote: »

I'm don't disagree. In the moment it's definitely smarter and safer to let them be but the idea that it's wrong not because it's simply against the rules of the road but because it blocks other drivers who are also breaking the rules of the road just reeks of WTF.


For what it's worth I attempt to avoid being an ass on the roads regardless of who's right or wrong, but I just can't get over how people complain about others who are impeding on their ability to break the law.

You are impeding the possibility that I may break the law and that my friend is unfair.

IM0

Seachmall wrote: »

I'm don't disagree. In the moment it's definitely smarter and safer to let them be but the idea that it's wrong not because it's simply against the rules of the road but because it blocks other drivers who are also breaking the rules of the road just reeks of WTF.


For what it's worth I attempt to avoid being an ass on the roads regardless of who's right or wrong, but I just can't get over how people complain about others who are impeding on their ability to break the law.

ill give you a three for persistence, still crap though

Patch123

Seachmall wrote: »

I get that. But someone driving at the limit is only blocking people who are attempting to break the limit.

Not necessarily though. Aside from anthing else, speedometers are inaccurate. Your 120km/h might be my 115km/h. The simplest thing is to just get out of the way. If you see someone driving too fast report them to traffic watch or whatever.

Edit: Beaten to the punch by zulu, it seems.

Viper_JB

Seachmall wrote: »

For what it's worth I attempt to avoid being an ass on the roads regardless of who's right or wrong, but I just can't get over how people complain about others who are impeding on their ability to break the law.

I've often been held up by people doing 80kph or less in the overtaking lane, so I wouldn't assume that just because someone is looking to overtake that they're speeding, also there can be a large variance in the speed according to your speedo and the speed according to their speedo so to assuming someone is speeding just because your speedo says you're doing the limit is not necessarily correct. Either way the overtaking lane is not for driving in, it's for overtaking in.