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EI Belfast Pilot Base

  • 03-06-2013 9:47am
    #1
    Shamrock231
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 726 ✭✭✭


    http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2007/0919/93682-aerlingus/

    Just reading this old article on RTE about the pilot base being set up in the north and a few questions came to mind.

    I read the following line and found it quite peculiar:
    Promotions to captain's positions in Belfast would be on merit, not seniority.

    Seems to be a bit counter-intuitive, did this part of the "Deal" ever go ahead or did they instead continue with good old reliable trustworthy seniority?

    Also with regards the BHD base, can and do pilots use this as a quicker way to jump into the left hand seat, before then moving back down to Dublin once the next opening for a Captain comes up, or does the seniority system operate differently?

    Eg: 7 year FO in DUB, position opens up in BHD for a Captain, he bids for it, completes the command course, take up his position there as a Captain (About 5-6 years earlier than if he stayed in DUB) and then once the next position for a captain opens up in DUB (Say 6 months), he puts in a bid for a transfer and ends up being a Captain out of DUB after only 8ish years with EI?

    Just curious if anyone is able to answer some of these questions.

    Thanks.


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  • #2
    Locker10a
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    I dont think it easy or even possible to transfer from Dublin to/from Belfast as a pilot as its a totally different contract. Belfast being the UK contract with different pay terms and conditions. I may be wrong but I dont think what you suggest goes on at all.


  • #3
    Shamrock231
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 726 ✭✭✭Shamrock231


    From what I can make out in the link you are allowed to transfer but you must accept the UK contract while you work there, but can move back to a ROI one if you return / move over and that was also the impression I got a while back when chatting with an EI pilot, though he was always based in DUB and I didn't ask any specific questions like the one above. I think this is the case anyways, I'm pretty sure.

    I'm not 100% sure on whether there are pilots that do/can use this as a shortcut to get their command, which is the main thing I was wondering about, along with whether they implement a proper seniority system there or this "Merit Based" system.


  • #4
    Locker10a
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,216 Mod ✭✭✭✭Locker10a


    Shamrock231 wrote: »

    I'm not 100% sure on whether there are pilots that do/can use this as a shortcut to get their command, which is the main thing I was wondering about, along with whether they implement a proper seniority system there or this "Merit Based" system.

    I doubt they do use this method as a short cut. I cant see the union allowing it nor can i see the Dublin based pilots accepting it.


  • #5
    Shamrock231
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 726 ✭✭✭Shamrock231


    Locker10a wrote: »
    I doubt they do use this method as a short cut. I cant see the union allowing it nor can i see the Dublin based pilots accepting it.

    Yeh, I see it two ways.

    Scenario 1: Position opens up in BHD for a Captain, does the 5 year BHD FO there get offered the course/test or does the 8 year DUB FO get offered it? I'd say in this case, the 8 year DUB FO should be offered it, and I can't see any arguments there.

    Scenario 2: Captain at the BHD base, with the company for 10 years, Captain for 3 of those years, FO in DUB with the company 13 years. Position for Captain opens up at DUB base. Captain in BHD has always wanted to live in Dublin, came from Dublin etc. Does the position as a Captain go to the pilot who's already proved himself as a Captain, or does it go to the FO who's been working his way up there for the last 13 years. I'd tend to think that the FO should get it, but then if the Captain wants to move back to the ROI, does that mean he's going to have to relinquish his command? I can't see that as something very popular either, so that's really where my curiosity as to the question came from. This scenario is not quite as clear cut, and I'm sure depends on the company in question and their seniority policy.


  • #6
    basill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,351 ✭✭✭basill


    Lads/ladettes, if you are only surmising and have no intimate knowledge of either the ROI /BFS contracts or our global seniority agreement then discussing an RTE article from 2007 will not get you very far. Get a job in AL and join IALPA and the knowledge will be all yours.


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  • #7
    Shamrock231
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 726 ✭✭✭Shamrock231


    basill wrote: »
    Get a job in AL and join IALPA and the knowledge will be all yours.

    I'm trying my best... ;)

    Also, it wasn't the RTE article I was basing my questions on, bar the one on "Merit" which strikes me as bizarre. It was more a general interest. Also the aim was to find information from more knowledgeable sources, rather than have to go on a 5 year old RTE article... I'd certainly appreciate a hint if you're willing... ;)


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