Investigation into creches? How about an investigation into NAMA?

jetsonx

Is anyone else sick of this creche controversy?


How about the Prime Time documentary team cover something with a little more substance like NAMA for instance?

Secret property deals, ex-property developers and family working for NAMA, insider deals - the list goes on.

The public does not know even a quarter of what goes on in this corrupt body. Why don't Prime Time do a documentary on this instead? This might take a lot more work than sticking hidden cameras up in creches but would be much more in the public interest.

donvito99

No. We're talking about the safety of our children OP. We spent millions and years investigating and reporting on the abuse of children in the church, and whether the state had a case to answer for.

Give me billions in debt over the mistreatment of my child.

WoollyRedHat

jetsonx wrote: »

Is anyone else sick of this creche controversy?


How about the Prime Time documentary team cover something with a little more substance like NAMA for instance?

Secret property deals, ex-property developers and family working for NAMA, insider deals - the list goes on.

The public does not know even a quarter of what goes on in this corrupt body. Why don't Prime Time do a documentary on this instead? This might take a lot more work than sticking hidden cameras up in creches but would be much more in the public interest.

Prime Time covers a range of issues week on week, this week they raised what was going on in the Creches, something which is wrong, and of public interest. Parents have kids to worry about as much as everything else, so to answer your question, for many it's at the forefront of their minds at this time if they have children who attend creches. To worry about one thing doe not mean it negates other issues. If someone is entrusted with the care of someone elses children, and there has been found to be wrongdoing, then you can be damn sure it is going to be hotly debated and condemned.

Peregrine

jetsonx wrote: »

Secret property deals, ex-property developers and family working for NAMA, insider deals - the list goes on.

Looks like you already did an investigation.

As far as I can see, NAMA is doing well, much better than the bankrupt overnight developers. And what makes you think it will be more of public interest? What makes you think they haven't already investigated NAMA?

dxhound2005

jetsonx wrote: »

Is anyone else sick of this creche controversy?


How about the Prime Time documentary team cover something with a little more substance like NAMA for instance?

Secret property deals, ex-property developers and family working for NAMA, insider deals - the list goes on.

The public does not know even a quarter of what goes on in this corrupt body. Why don't Prime Time do a documentary on this instead? This might take a lot more work than sticking hidden cameras up in creches but would be much more in the public interest.

A start would be for you to bring your evidence to the Gardai. How did you find out about the secret property deals?

Fr_Dougal

Nimrod 7 wrote: »

Looks like you already did an investigation.

As far as I can see, NAMA is doing well, much better than the bankrupt overnight developers. And what makes you think it will be more of public interest? What makes you think they haven't already investigated NAMA?

He's actually right, I can guarantee you 100%, there'll be a tribunal over NAMA's conduct since it was formed and in the next year or so the lid will be blown on the underhanded deals that are taking place at the moment. It's rotten to the core.

jetsonx

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

I can guarantee you 100%, there'll be a tribunal over NAMA's conduct since it was formed and in the next year or so the lid will be blown on the underhanded deals that are taking place at the moment. It's rotten to the core.

The sooner NAMA corruption is brought to light the better.

Do we really want to end up in 5 or 10 years time talking about the corrupt dealings which took place when we could be doing something about it now?

jetsonx

Why is there no totally independent body auditing NAMA in the interests of the Irish people?

Cody Pomeray

jetsonx wrote: »

Is anyone else sick of this creche controversy?


How about the Prime Time documentary team cover something with a little more substance like NAMA for instance?

Secret property deals, ex-property developers and family working for NAMA, insider deals - the list goes on.

The public does not know even a quarter of what goes on in this corrupt body. Why don't Prime Time do a documentary on this instead? This might take a lot more work than sticking hidden cameras up in creches but would be much more in the public interest.

What has the creche controversy got to do with NAMA?

You might as well say they shouldn't be investigating that stabbing up in Donaghmede last night and should focus in the stabbing in the city centre first.

Jesus there are about 300,000 public servants in the country, plenty of work to go around!

yara

Nimrod 7 wrote: »

Looks like you already did an investigation.

As far as I can see, NAMA is doing well, much better than the bankrupt overnight developers. And what makes you think it will be more of public interest? What makes you think they haven't already investigated NAMA?

are you for real? honestly have to ask because if you google nama and look at it's dealings since inception you could hardly come to that conclusion and if you open your mind to how things really work and not the romantic notions sold to the sheep you would be out on the street protesting right now

dxhound2005 wrote: »

A start would be for you to bring your evidence to the Gardai. How did you find out about the secret property deals?

after all this time you still reckon these shysters are doing this for the good of the people?

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

He's actually right, I can guarantee you 100%, there'll be a tribunal over NAMA's conduct since it was formed and in the next year or so the lid will be blown on the underhanded deals that are taking place at the moment. It's rotten to the core.

there doesn't have to be a tribunal where the law society and all connected to it make absolute fortunes out of investigating what the dogs on the ****ing streets already to know enough about to call shenanigans on the whole scheme

jetsonx wrote: »

The sooner NAMA corruption is brought to light the better.

Do we really want to end up in 5 or 10 years time talking about the corrupt dealings which took place when we could be doing something about it now?

if the people would finally get off their ar$es and demand answers and real change we would be far better off.

jetsonx wrote: »

Why is there no totally independent body auditing NAMA in the interests of the Irish people?

because he who plays the piper calls the tune, at least that's how it works in the real world, just look at the scope government are prepared to go to get dirt on opposition tds/enemies and we don't know the half of what our government get up to in reality, think about it for a minute

Banjo String

FG opposed Nama when they were in opposition.

They haven't scrapped it yet, nor have Labour introduced any of the discounts they whined about while still only opposition parties.

Populist populist.

The Fine Gael parliamentary party has unanimously agreed to oppose the National Asset Management Agency.

The decision was made at the end of a two-day parliamentary party think-in in Cavan.

There has been criticism of Fine Gael's opposition to NAMA, most notably from former party leaders Garret FitzGerald and Alan Dukes.

And today, after a discussion which lasted an hour-and-a-half longer than planned, the party agreed to oppose the NAMA legislation when it comes before the Dáil next week.Earlier, the Labour Party suggested that the Government should demand a 50% discount on distressed loans NAMA buys from the banks.

Party finance frontbencher Joan Burton said there would have to be what she called 'chapter and verse' were the discount to be any less than 50%.
There is an estimated €90 billion in property loans on the books of the financial institutions.Ms Burton was launching a detailed critique of the Government's proposals. Labour is demanding that details of the loan books of individual developers be made available, possibly without naming the individuals.
She said Brian Lenihan should 'publish and be damned', as otherwise he would be doing Irish democracy a great disservice.

http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2009/0908/121512-nama/

Riddle101

How is NAMA a little more substance then what's going on in the Creches? Almost sounds as if you think NAMA is more important then the safety of children or something. As far as NAMA is concerned, maybe some day they will, but there needs to be more solid evidence then what a few posters on an internet forum are saying. You can pretty much spin anything around and make it look like a conspiracy.

donegal_road

SamHall wrote: »

FG opposed Nama when they were in opposition.

They haven't scrapped it yet, nor have Labour introduced any of the discounts they whined about while still only opposition parties.

Populist populist.

NAMA is the new Galway Tent, Bankers, Developers, Politicians all in each others pockets. Owned by the Taxpayer, for the benefit of the elite. Previously protected by FF, now protected by FG/Labour.

It is one of the most secretive state organisations and is specifically excluded from the Freedom of Information Act. This is why doing an exposé the same as the creches would be a lot more difficult.

hfallada

NAMA ****ed out a staff member for a inside deal on a house. Its Ireland it was shady someone would "leak" it. Irish people cant keep their mouth shut on sometimes.

Property developer are only NAMA books to get the most money back for the tax payer and not for the sake of wasting tax payers money

drdeadlift

OP has very valid point,current media coverage is happy to ignore more than a few interesting topics regarding to how ****ed up Ireland is.

jetsonx

Well said, Donegal Road.

So while the government holds sham, attention deflecting investigations into Shatter, Wallace and creches -
the Irish taxpayer is quietly getting mugged.

Talk about Nero fiddling while Rome burned.

Fr_Dougal

hfallada wrote: »

NAMA ****ed out a staff member for a inside deal on a house. Its Ireland it was shady someone would "leak" it. Irish people cant keep their mouth shut on sometimes.

Property developer are only NAMA books to get the most money back for the tax payer and not for the sake of wasting tax payers money

That was one deal, do you really think it has ever only happened once? I know for a fact that at least one of these NAMA properties that are supposed to be put on sale are being bought up by friends/cronies of NAMA and not being allowed to go to auction. They're being advertised but you can't bid on them.

oppenheimer1

Its much easier to put a hidden camera in a Crèche, than it is to extract scandal out of a closed institution like NAMA.

Overheal

Creche.. NAMA... NAMBLA?

ArtSmart

far as i'm aware NAMA is one of the few good news stories, re making money, reducing debt etc.

so unless, there's some actual evidence - ok, even reasonable conjecture based on semi-credible reports - hell, even a good credible, but detailed, anecdotal speil, leave off NAMA.

(no, I or anyone I know dont work for NAMA)

SafeSurfer

The irony of ironies would be if the Irish taxpayer is saddled with billions in claims for damages when the shady dealings of NAMA come to light.

kjl

donvito99 wrote: »

No. We're talking about the safety of our children OP. We spent millions and years investigating and reporting on the abuse of children in the church, and whether the state had a case to answer for.

Give me billions in debt over the mistreatment of my child.

Did the church ever answer for all that?

donvito99

kjl wrote: »

Did the church ever answer for all that?

Never. Some priests, no cardinals, no archbishops. We deserve to know what happens though, whatever the cost.

flutered

Nimrod 7 wrote: »

Looks like you already did an investigation.

As far as I can see, NAMA is doing well, much better than the bankrupt overnight developers. And what makes you think it will be more of public interest? What makes you think they haven't already investigated NAMA?

nama are not transparent, they do not allow inspection, they got a court order against nama winelake, it gives former and current developers both a leg up and a new career, plus it is a bank holliday.

donegal_road

ArtSmart wrote: »

far as i'm aware NAMA is one of the few good news stories, re making money, reducing debt etc.

so unless, there's some actual evidence - ok, even reasonable conjecture based on semi-credible reports - hell, even a good credible, but detailed, anecdotal speil, leave off NAMA.

(no, I or anyone I know dont work for NAMA)

yep, but you have to take their word for it, they don't reveal their books or allow inspection, same idea as Anglo Irish Bank were.